Is the Mass Biblical?

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

porthos11:

How many times do I need to write this? You’re really coming across as hard-headed.

I don’t call it hunger. It’s called DEATH.

How many times does the Lord have to tell you that if you eat Him you will not die?

"Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.
“This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die.” ( John 6:49-50 )

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[jpusateri]

YAQUBOS:

What if this eternal High Priest presented an ETERNAL Sacrifice ONCE FOR ALL?

There is no “what if” about it. He did.

What if God did all the work for us, and let us be complete spectators with no part to play?

 

[porthos11]

YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

If you have life FIRST through Baptism, and if the Lord is saying that you can’t have Life unless you eat His flesh and drink His blood, so I conclude that you mean Baptism is that eating and drinking.

I just explained it to you in a previous post. In natural life birth is the coming into life, but food sustains. Birth=baptism. But unless the person eats, he dies. He has no life in him. Food=Eucharist.

I’m convinced that you are really not interested in listening to anything we have to say. We have resorted to Scripture and reason, but you really do twist stuff around. You’re just toying around with us. You’re probably wearing a big grin on your face now. I’m tired.

I warn you though. We have given you enough to work on and think about. You are now farther from invincible ignorance than when you started. We have given you the biblical bases for our teachings on the Eucharist and the Mass, and you are now morally obligated to investigate further.

This is my last post for the next eight hours. Mercygate, take it away.

After all, I’ve hit “Senior member” already. I’m done for now.

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

porthos11:

Oh yes, indeedy Jesus does promise eternal life. But he never imposes it.

Just as we can reject our natural life we can also reject our spiritual life. He never takes away our free will.

There is sin that leads to death, says St. John. Hence the term “mortal” sin.

Ah, “mortal sin” comes from John??? Well, John says: “There is a sin leading to death**; I do not say that he should make request for this**.” ( 1 John 5:16 )

It seems that we must not pray for someone who commits a mortal sin like adultary… Or maybe adultary is not a mortal sin??

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

porthos11:

You got THAT one right. That’s why Jesus is an eternal priest because there is an eternal Sacrifice. And an eternal Sacrifice never ends.

Why do think there is an altar in heaven?

Why do you think that altar is not on earth?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[jpusateri]

YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

Ah, “mortal sin” comes from John??? Well, John says: “There is a sin leading to death**; I do not say that he should make request for this**.” ( 1 John 5:16 )

It seems that we must not pray for someone who commits a mortal sin like adultary… Or maybe adultary is not a mortal sin??

In Love,
Yaqubos†

Wait, does “I do not say he should” equal “we must not” ?

It seems to me that “I do not say he should…” does NOT mean “I do say he should not…” which is the meaning you are getting.

 

[jpusateri]

YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

Why do you think that altar is not on earth?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

The altar is where the sacrifice is.

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

jpusateri:

There is no “what if” about it. He did.

What if God did all the work for us, and let us be complete spectators with no part to play?

What if our part is just to be sanctified by His Grace ONCE FOR ALL by that ONCE FOR ALL Sacrifice?

“By this will we have been **sanctified ** through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.” ( Hebrews 10:10 )

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[Adam_S]

Yaqubos, what is with you?? What are you trying to prove? Im not about to get into this silly argument, because you are closing your ears to it. Every question you have asked has been answered, yet three or four posts later you will ask it again.

I dont know why other posters bother - i certainly would not indulge your fantasy of trying to prove a 2000 year old church wrong. I am guessing you are either from the Church of Christ or a Seventh day adventist. I say the latter as i had a conversation with one a few weeks back, and he was just like you. He would present a piece of an argument (usually pretty weak), i would listen and then put my counter argument to him, but then he would repeat what he had said without listening to me - 7DA’s also are pretty anti-Catholic which is pretty clear you are from the way you post.

I think maybe you are not after an argument - but finding answers as you are lacking something in your own faith? If not why would you be spending so much time on this board?? I thought about your comparison of yourself to Jesus and the Pharisees earlier and have realised that someone with faith in Jesus would not have dared to be so arrogant - so i think this is a mask you are putting on…if this is true, do not be scared, go speak to a priest.

But dont try and outwit the Catholic church, for every argument and piece of scripture you put against it, has been put against it 100000 times before, and the Church still remains - so i wouldnt bother, especially when its quite clear you wouldnt listen anyway.

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

porthos11:

I just explained it to you in a previous post. In natural life birth is the coming into life, but food sustains. Birth=baptism. But unless the person eats, he dies. He has no life in him. Food=Eucharist.

I’m convinced that you are really not interested in listening to anything we have to say. We have resorted to Scripture and reason, but you really do twist stuff around. You’re just toying around with us. You’re probably wearing a big grin on your face now. I’m tired.

I warn you though. We have given you enough to work on and think about. You are now farther from invincible ignorance than when you started. We have given you the biblical bases for our teachings on the Eucharist and the Mass, and you are now morally obligated to investigate further.

This is my last post for the next eight hours. Mercygate, take it away.

After all, I’ve hit “Senior member” already. I’m done for now.

You just gave me human philosophy.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

jpusateri:

The altar is where the sacrifice is.

Well, some people are saying that the SAME Sacrifice is on the Table of the Lord on which you put the Bread and the Cup…

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[mercygate]

YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

You just gave me human philosophy.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

Although I do not see that this is “human philosophy,” there is no necessary conflict between philosophy and faith. Creation and human reason are part of God’s gift to us. To affirm our faith in revealed truth via our understanding of creation through natural law and the exercise of reason is a perfectly legitimate enterprise.

 

[jpusateri]

YAQUBOS:

What if our part is just to be sanctified by His Grace ONCE FOR ALL by that ONCE FOR ALL Sacrifice?

Okay, that’s true too! Others have told you how that Grace is applied in the Mass.

Why limit yourself to only that role? Maybe we also have more of a part to play. Is it a necessary part? Nope, God can do it all Himself. Grace is also being given a chance to participate.

And please don’t feel the need to shout in CAPS. I get your point.

 

[jpusateri]

YAQUBOS:

Well, some people are saying that the SAME Sacrifice is on the Table of the Lord on which you put the Bread and the Cup…

Yes. It is. That was my point. The altar at Mass and the altar in heaven both have the Body and Blood. That’s why it’s an altar, not just a supper table.

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!
Adam S:

Yaqubos, what is with you?? What are you trying to prove? Im not about to get into this silly argument, because you are closing your ears to it. Every question you have asked has been answered, yet three or four posts later you will ask it again.

I ask the questions again, because they are not answered.
Adam S:

I dont know why other posters bother - i certainly would not indulge your fantasy of trying to prove a 2000 year old church wrong.

That 2000 years old Church is not wrong, as you understand the word “wrong”. Yet, she is fallible. And, by the way, I am not attacking that 2000 years old Church, but I am trying to show the wrong human teachings that found way into that Church.
Adam S:

I am guessing you are either from the Church of Christ or aSeventh day adventist. I say the latter as i had a conversation with one a few weeks back, and he was just like you. He would present a piece of an argument (usually pretty weak), i would listen and then put my counter argument to him, but then he would repeat what he had said without listening to me - 7DA’s also are pretty anti-Catholic which is pretty clear you are from the way you post.

You mean the heretical sect that teaches that we must keep the Sabbat in Saturday?..
Adam S:

I think maybe you are not after an argument

Do I have to? Can’t I just try to understand what the Roman Church is teaching and how it is consistent with the Word of God?
Adam S:

But dont try and outwit the Catholic church, for every argument and piece of scripture you put against it, has been put against it 100000 times before, and the Church still remains - so i wouldnt bother, especially when its quite clear you wouldnt listen anyway.

A dead can stay there even if you call him to life till the morning… But this doesn’t prove that it is good to be dead…

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

mercygate:

Although I do not see that this is “human philosophy,” there is no necessary conflict between philosophy and faith. Creation and human reason are part of God’s gift to us. To affirm our faith in revealed truth via our understanding of creation through natural law and the exercise of reason is a perfectly legitimate enterprise.

“See to it that no one takes you captive through **philosophy ** and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.” ( Colossians 2:8 )

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

jpusateri:

Yes. It is. That was my point. The altar at Mass and the altar in heaven both have the Body and Blood. That’s why it’s an altar, not just a supper table.

So the Altar is not just in Heaven? It is on earth too? Where is that said in the Scripture?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[jpusateri]

YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

So the Altar is not just in Heaven? It is on earth too? Where is that said in the Scripture?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

Ah, I see you subscribe to “scripture only”. Unfortunate. You need to expand your worldview.

The Church you want to learn about does not subscribe to “scripture only” and the “Word of God” is not found only in Scripture.

I hesitate to instruct you, because you might call what I say “philosophy” and have me condemned by Scripture. sigh

Good luck and may the Spirit of Truth open your heart and mind to His Truth.

 

[Adam_S]

A dead can stay there even if you call him to life till the morning… But this doesn’t prove that it is good to be dead…

WHAT!?!?!?? Do you actually read what you post? Seriously i want whatever your smoking

As for your thing that your questions arent answered - they are answered perfectly, you just dont want to hear it

You also say you just want to learn about the Church but i dont believe that by the way that you post, because you dont progress or probe, but you attack.

And that is absolutely brilliant that you think that wrong teachings have wormed their way into the Church over time, as the Church has remained on the nail apart from the odd tiny thing since year dot - it is the other churches that have changed that with crazy doctrines such as Sola Scriptura, and also the idea that holy texts can be left up to the individual opinion.

If you really do want to learn more - dont mess about on here, go find a priest, most will be happy to indulge you, you can book an appointment for an hour, and put your 2 or 3 questions that you have repeated over and over again on here to him, and see how far you get.

Also, do you mind me asking what denomination you ARE from?

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

jpusateri:

Ah, I see you subscribe to “scripture only”. Unfortunate. You need to expand your worldview. Good luck.

Ah, ok. You subscribe to the human authorities over the Word of God. So mention the Father who said that the same Altar which is in Heaven is on earth too.

In Love,
Yaqubos†