Is the patriarchy a good thing?

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@niceatheist Your comment should not have been flagged. There have been both good and bad things done in the name of feminism, and I think a lot of people only focus on the latter.

We can vote. We’ve made the world a much harder place to be a rapist. We can blow the whistle when employers harass us. We’ve paved the way for more women to pursue careers once difficult to enter. Our husbands can’t no longer legally beat or rape us. Domestic violence is taken seriously, and women are provided shelter.

And - yoo-hoo, pro-lifers! - we no longer shame, blame, punish, and stigmatize unwed mothers into wanting abortions. (Ah, yes! The good old days . . . . )
 
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It’s not sinful for a woman to be president, Queen, a CEO, any sort of leader in society.

It’s a pretty dumb opinion to be against equal opportunities, tbh.

I don’t care for a matriarchy (would rather have a meritocracy), but the response of ‘that’s not a true patriarchy/proper exercising of male authority’ whenever bad instances of male authority is brought up isn’t a good one imo.
 
I often supervise children and adolescents at play. Boys roughhouse constantly and I condone it, if it’s the right time and place and doesn’t get out of hand.
 
blackforest said:
We’ve paved the way for more women to pursue careers once difficult to enter.
We can blow the whistle when employers harass us.
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Employers are hiring less women now due to higher & risks costs associated w harassment complaints. If you’re an employer you’ll hire 10 men over 5 men/5 women or 10 women. You’re not going to risk law suits, complaints, etc. The “we can blow the whistle when employers harass us” quote proves the point.
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Our husbands can’t no longer legally beat or rape us
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Fewer husbands marry now because
(a) feminism has sexually liberated women so sex is easily available to men w/o marriage
(b) marrying a woman means the man gets something he can get w/o marriage (sex) while exposing himself to risk of divorce, losing assets, etc
So feminism just resulted in fewer marriages
 
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Aquinas11 said:
Fewer husbands marry now because
(a) feminism has sexually liberated women so sex is easily available to men w/o marriage
(b) marrying a woman means the man gets something he can get w/o marriage (sex) while exposing himself to risk of divorce, losing assets, etc
So feminism just resulted in fewer marriages
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This doesn’t even refute her point though.
 
The problem with boys is it always gets out of hand. I remember wrestling with my brother when I was a kid and sooner or later one of us would end up in tears.
 
And that’s part of learning self control and conflict resolution for men.
I’ve always been able to stop boy fights with my bellowing “coach voice.”
Girl fights are entirely different. They go to another place. Very primal. They tune everything else out except their blood lust.
 
My grandmother would make my brother and I hug and tell each other we loved the other. The ick factor for young boys was enough to convince us fighting was a bad thing!
 
Not always if they’re raised properly. Hopefully.

I had older brothers growing up which meant I was practically a boy for a while. The amount of times I would get kicked in the stomach though…yikes. My poor grandmother was terrified that I would be infertile, lol. Because that’s the worst thing that could happen, I guess.

Granted, I was incredibly violent as well. My parents used to say I had more testosterone
 
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Employers are hiring less women now due to higher & risks costs associated w harassment complaints. If you’re an employer you’ll hire 10 men over 5 men/5 women or 10 women. You’re not going to risk law suits, complaints, etc. The “we can blow the whistle when employers harass us” quote proves the point.
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Well, they could stop harassing women. That could help . . .
Aquinas11 said:
Fewer husbands marry now because
(a) feminism has sexually liberated women so sex is easily available to men w/o marriage
(b) marrying a woman means the man gets something he can get w/o marriage (sex) while exposing himself to risk of divorce, losing assets, etc
So feminism just resulted in fewer marriages
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Did you know that pornography was rampant during the supposedly prudish Victorian Age? That shotgun weddings were a staple in American Puritan culture? And the less said about Louis XIV’s mistresses of Versailles, the better.

The quantity of marriages is not a measure of sexual purity or indiscretion. With or without marriage, illicit sex has always been a part of the human race since the dawn of time. At least with regards to Western culture, I see zero evidence that there’s more of it today than in some different times and places, when was either brandished liberally or kept hush-hush.
 
Nothing against your grandmother but, that’s messed up.
 
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blackforest said:
Well, they could stop harassing women. That could help . . .
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Well, we could start by defining “harass”. That could help…

And while we’re at it define rules of workplace like no makeup, how about that? Makeup was intended to simulate sexual arousal , it colors lips since the lips turn red during sexual arousal. Why people need that at workplace?
blackforest said:
The quantity of marriages is not a measure of sexual purity or indiscretion.
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It’s an indicator of sexual indiscretion. If sex is largely unavailable w/o marriage, more marriages occur. This isn’t rocket science
 
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Aquinas11 said:
And while we’re at it define rules of workplace like no makeup, how about that? Makeup was intended to simulate sexual arousal , it colors lips since the lips turn red during sexual arousal. Why people need that at workplace?
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Custody of the eyes, my good man. Custody of the eyes.
Aquinas11 said:
It’s an indicator of sexual indiscretion.
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It isn’t. Married people have all too often been sexually indiscrete.
 
A patriarchal hierarchy is the natural way of ordering things. Western men have by and large walked away from their duties and have left a vacuum in which women are filling. Yet it is clear it shall not last. Whether it is by the rise of traditionalism amongst younger generations, or the importation of an external patriarchal group, as evidenced by the seemingly strange bedfellows of feminism and mohammedanism, the Patriarchy is rarely out of the picture for long.
 
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