Is the Roman Catholic Church fading away?

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A half century ago Brazil and South America where predominantly Roman Catholic. Today there are two Protestant churches to one Catholic church. Is the catholic Church fading away in South America and Brazil ?
Twenty eight thousand mainland Chinese become Protestant believers every day
More than 20,000 Africans become Protestant believers every day.
Over 40% of Koreas are now Protestant Christian. Now there are more than than 7000 Protestant churches in Seoul alone, with one church-Yoida Full Gospel Church - claiming a registered membership of more than 700,000, making it the largest single church in the world.
And on it goes thoughout the world. Is the Catholic Church fading away ???

forever Baptist
allischalmers
 
Record Vatican crowds continue a year after pope’s death

By Carol Glatz
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) – One year ago in April, the city of Rome saw record numbers of crowds when millions of people flocked to the Vatican and St. Peter’s Basilica for the funeral of Pope John Paul II, the conclave of cardinals and the subsequent election of Pope Benedict XVI.

**In just one week, more than 3 million people descended on the Vatican to honor Pope John Paul, who died April 2, 2005.

According to the Vatican, the crowds have just kept coming.**

In just the first eight months of his pontificate, Pope Benedict XVI drew nearly 3 million pilgrims to public events.

According to the Prefecture of the Pontifical Household, more than 2.8 million people attended the weekly general audiences, the Sunday blessings, special papal audiences or liturgical celebrations at which Pope Benedict presided.

Also, the number of visitors going through the doors of the Vatican Museums in 2005 broke all records, even surpassing the huge crowds that came during the jubilee year when the museums extended opening hours into the afternoon. Last year, more than 3.8 million people squeezed through the turnstiles. That number was up from more than 3.4 million people in 2004.

Some speculate the unprecedented global media coverage the Vatican received during last April’s papal transition had a hand in putting Rome and the Vatican back on the map as a sought-after tourist destination for both secular globetrotters and Christian pilgrims.

While curiosity about the new pope and the desire to pay homage to the late pontiff with a pilgrimage to his tomb have accounted for some of the boom in visitors, one tour guide said there are other factors involved.

For example, the exchange rate between the U.S. dollar and the euro, which became Italy’s official currency in 2002, has stabilized, said Paul Encinias, co-founder of the Rome-based Eternal City Tours.

“That means there’s more economic accessibility” for tourists coming from the United States, he said.

While the number of visitors “has definitely increased since last April, it was already on the rise from two years ago,” he said.

“I would say having a new pope accounts for about 5 percent” of the increase in the number of visitors who use the company, said Encinias.

The Colorado native said while tourists want to see Rome’s religious sites their motives are different.

“‘The Da Vinci Code’ is still a buzz over here; now that the movie is coming out, it’s blown in some new interest,” he said. “The secular tourists want to see the religious sites” depicted in Dan Brown’s best-selling novel, “while the Christians want to see the sites, too, but for different reasons.”

An official at the church-sponsored pilgrimage office said employees had seen an increase in the number of pilgrims coming to Rome.

Father Caesar Atuire of Opera Romana Pellegrinaggi told CNS March 15 that the wave of pilgrims has been so big his office has “had to enter into new agreements with Trenitalia and Alitalia (the Italian train and air companies) to offer special pilgrim packages.”

“People want to come to Rome to see the new pope,” he said, as well as to visit the tomb of Pope John Paul. “Also, there is an assumption that this pope will travel less, so people will have to come to Rome to see him.”

He said German tourists are making Italy their vacation destination once again.

“Germans used to come to Italy” and its Adriatic coast, “but the last few years the numbers have gone down as they discovered Croatia and the Dalmatian coast. But since the election of Pope Benedict, this trend has reversed,” said Father Atuire.
 
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allischalmers:
Is the Catholic Church fading away ???
Nope. 🙂
 
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allischalmers:
A half century ago Brazil and South America where predominantly Roman Catholic. Today there are two Protestant churches to one Catholic church. Is the catholic Church fading away in South America and Brazil ?
Twenty eight thousand mainland Chinese become Protestant believers every day
More than 20,000 Africans become Protestant believers every day.
Over 40% of Koreas are now Protestant Christian. Now there are more than than 7000 Protestant churches in Seoul alone, with one church-Yoida Full Gospel Church - claiming a registered membership of more than 700,000, making it the largest single church in the world.
And on it goes thoughout the world. Is the Catholic Church fading away ???

forever Baptist
allischalmers
About 90% of South America is Catholic. Protestants make up about 10%.
 
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empacae:
Are you sure about that number? Is this hyberbole? Is this number inflated? Are these people CINOs?

emp
I think its a bit high. I’ve recently heard the number quoted as 1 billion on CA Live and other places, so I tend to believe this lower number (as if you can say a billion is a ‘low’ number). Still, that’s one-sixth of the world’s population - impressive!
 
Well, according to those statistics. (in the first post) In Africa and China ALONE, there will be an increase of about 200 million protestants over the next ten years. Which means in 50 years there will be 1 billion more protestants.

🙂

You sure your figures are right?

In Christ.

Andre.
 
I got my apologetics wrong from debating the Muslims too long! There are 2 billion Christians and 1.2 billion of those are Catholic. :o
 
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Eden:
I got my apologetics wrong from debating the Muslims too long! There are 2 billion Christians and 1.2 billion of those are Catholic. :o
Understandable - I’ve done it myself. Still, is it just me, or is a number that includes 1/6 of the world’s population hard to contemplate?
 
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djrakowski:
Understandable - I’ve done it myself. Still, is it just me, or is a number that includes 1/6 of the world’s population hard to contemplate?
It’s amazing. I did a Google search and found many articles from around the time of Pope John Paul II’s death which called him the leader of “1.2 billion Catholics”.

Here is an article from EWTN:

www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=65034

“The 2006 edition of the Annuario Pontificio, the official Vatican yearbook, shows 1,098,000,000 Catholics in the world.”
 
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allischalmers:
A half century ago Brazil and South America where predominantly Roman Catholic. Today there are two Protestant churches to one Catholic church. Is the catholic Church fading away in South America and Brazil ?
Twenty eight mainland Chinese become Protestant believers every day
More than 20,000 Africans become Protestant believers every day.
Over 40% of Koreas are now Protestant Christian. Now there are more than than 7000 Protestant churches in Seoul alone, with one church-Yoida Full Gospel Church - claiming a registered membership of more than 700,000, making it the largest single church in the world.
And on it goes thoughout the world. Is the Catholic Church fading away ???

forever Baptist
allischalmers
The number of churches don’t represent the number of followers. Often Catholic Churches are few as they are more expensive and larger then most protestant ones. The number of practcing Catholics though is on the rise, not decline. For those who are Catholic and beleive what the Bible says about Hell no prevailing against the Church of God, then the Church will never fade away, until Jesus returns.
 
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allischalmers:
A half century ago Brazil and South America where predominantly Roman Catholic. Today there are two Protestant churches to one Catholic church. Is the catholic Church fading away in South America and Brazil ?
Twenty eight thousand mainland Chinese become Protestant believers every day
More than 20,000 Africans become Protestant believers every day.
Over 40% of Koreas are now Protestant Christian. Now there are more than than 7000 Protestant churches in Seoul alone, with one church-Yoida Full Gospel Church - claiming a registered membership of more than 700,000, making it the largest single church in the world.
And on it goes thoughout the world. Is the Catholic Church fading away ???

forever Baptist
allischalmers
The Catholic Church has over doubled in size in the last 50 years. It has 1.1 billion members. That is about double what all of protestantism has put together. Protestants will never come close to overtaking Catholicism.
 
**GLOBAL CATHOLIC NEWS
Rome’s Zenit News **

Percentage of Catholics in the World Slips
VATICAN CITY, MAY 10, 2004 (Zenit.org).- The number of Catholics in the world is increasing, but their percentage has decreased slightly, according to newly released Church data.

The Statistical Yearbook of the Church for 2002, prepared by the Central Office of Church Statistics and just published by the Vatican press office, tracks data from the start of John Paul II’s pontificate through 2002.

The yearbook indicates that the crisis of the dwindling ranks of diocesan priests has passed, but not the crisis of religious vocations.

The number of Catholic faithful rose from 757 million in 1978 to 1.07 billion at year-end 2002. By continent, the increase was 150% in Africa; 74% in Asia; 49% in Oceania; 45% in the Americas; and 5% in Europe.

Yet, the percentage of Catholics as a share of world population dropped. In 1978, 17.99% of the world’s inhabitants were Catholic; in 1990, the tally was 17.68%; and in 2002, 17.2%.
 
So, bottom line: if we rely on competing news stories (whether from Catholic sources or not) we’ll be speculating about it until the second coming. The REAL debate is over whether the Catholic Church is the Church Christ founded. Has anyone started a thread on that yet? 😉
 
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allischalmers:
A half century ago Brazil and South America where predominantly Roman Catholic. Today there are two Protestant churches to one Catholic church. Is the catholic Church fading away in South America and Brazil ?
Twenty eight thousand mainland Chinese become Protestant believers every day
More than 20,000 Africans become Protestant believers every day.
Over 40% of Koreas are now Protestant Christian. Now there are more than than 7000 Protestant churches in Seoul alone, with one church-Yoida Full Gospel Church - claiming a registered membership of more than 700,000, making it the largest single church in the world.
And on it goes thoughout the world. Is the Catholic Church fading away ???

forever Baptist
allischalmers
It could also be a sign of the second coming. There is supposed to be a great apostasy from the church before Christ comes:

**675
Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576

676
The Antichrist’s deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatalogical judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,577 especially the “intrinsically perverse” political form of a secular messianism.578

677
The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.579 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God’s victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.580 God’s triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.581**

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Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
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montanaman:
So, bottom line: if we rely on competing news stories (whether from Catholic sources or not) we’ll be speculating about it until the second coming. The REAL debate is over whether the Catholic Church is the Church Christ founded. Has anyone started a thread on that yet? 😉
I know someone who is working on it but needs a break.
 
As stated, what you say is misleading:
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allischalmers:
A half century ago Brazil and South America where predominantly Roman Catholic. Today there are two Protestant churches to one Catholic church. Is the catholic Church fading away in South America and Brazil ?
Brazil and South America are STILL (not were) predominately Catholic. Most of these Protestant “churches” are small, house or storefront operations that don’t approach the size and numbers of the average Catholic parish.
Twenty eight thousand mainland Chinese become Protestant believers every day. More than 20,000 Africans become Protestant believers every day.
. Numbers coming out of China are unreliable because of the strict controls there. Even if there are large numbers (and this goes for Africa as well), the actual number of people who become “believers” as reported by Protestant proselytizers is almost always misleading. It usually refers to people who “have made a decision for Christ” based on the recitation of a “sinners prayer.” The Billy Graham Crusade reports that more than 80% of people that make this type of “commitment” end up abandoning Christianity.
Over 40% of Koreas are now Protestant Christian. Now there are more than than 7000 Protestant churches in Seoul alone, with one church-Yoida Full Gospel Church - claiming a registered membership of more than 700,000, making it the largest single church in the world.
North Korea is even a more closed society than China and the reports of isolated Christians or Christian groups are anecdotal and unreliable. And again, those 7000 “churches” (presumably in South Korea) tend to be house or storefront operations.

As far as the YFC, the fact that *a * church has a large membership says nothing about whether Protestantism is in ascendancy, let alone that the Catholic Church is “fading.”
Is the Catholic Church fading away ???
Not by a long shot. 😉
 
Our parish previously had three sessions of RCIA going every year. One started in September culminating at Easter, one started in May ending at Christmas and one started in January ending in September. My husband and I came in a September confirmation 12 years ago. The classes each had 20 to 30 adults usually.
I live in a city of about 80,000 people. It’s a suburb of the state capitol of a Bible Belt state. We have 5 masses each weekend.
We had room for about 1000 people per mass. That wasn’t enough. So recently we built in room for another 750 or so (?).
In our town there are lots of Baptists, Church of Christ, Disciples and non-denominationals. Their churches are also expanding. But not like ours.
We now have RCIA once a year. We still seem to get the same amount of adults yearly as before so that’s ok.
But it is astonishing to me how many converts we have. Here the Catholic Church is certainly not fading. 👍
 
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Fredricks:
I know someone who is working on it but needs a break.
Will that be next to the thread where you tell us yours is the one true church so we can disprove it? Time to fess up. This is the 4th time I’ve asked :whistle:

Darkness and light and all that.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
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