Is the Roman Catholic Church fading away?

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Not yet 2 billion!

That’s the approximate total number of all Christians in today’s world of 6.7 billion souls and counting distributed as follows:

(1) 1.1 or 1.2 billion Catholics (East and West), depending on what statistical base you use;

(2) 250~300 million Orthodox (Assyrians, Oriental, and Eastern); and

(3) ~600 million Protestants (“traditional,” neos, and pseudos of about 30,000+ sects or denominations).

However, Islam has the “fastest” growing number of adherents now at around 1.2 billion worldwide (Sunnis, Shi’ites, and other sects).

Hinduism comes close at around 800~900 million with India’s total population surpassing the 1 billion mark last year.

Buddhism follows at around 300 million but this may be ecclipsed by Chinese indigenous religious beliefs (Confucianism, etc.) among its 1.2~1.3 billion total population.

Catholicism in Africa is seen by some demographers as the “fastest” growing in the world, estimated now at around 140 million Catholics, concentarated in sub-Saharan regions, to the chagrin of Islamists.

No, Protestantism cannot match the Catholic Church!

The Southern Baptist Convention and its allied ecclesial communities (around 22 million in the U.S. and 10 million overseas) used to be the #1 and fastest growing organized religion in the U.S. but, now, it is second only to the Catholic Church in the U.S. at around 65~67 million!

Take the case of Atlanta, GA, and, generally throughout the Southern U.S., the so-called “Bible-belt” of Protestantism. Catholicism is growing leaps and bounds! The same is happening in Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Kentucky, the Carolinas, Florida, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, etc.

catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=6366

Brazil (#1 country in the world with the most Catholic population at 145 million vs. 185 million of its total population) is, indeed, experiencing this conversion phenomenon to Protestantism, mainly to Pentecostals, but the Episcopal Conference is answering back with vengeance. Also, the regional CELAM has put in place evangelization and re-evangelization tools that task the episcopal conferences of the South American countries to recoup what has been lost to these wily Protestants.
 
Twenty eight thousand mainland Chinese become Protestant believers every day. More than 20,000 Africans become Protestant believers every day.
So it is reasonable that in 1000 days, less than 3 years, there will be an increase of 28 million protestants in China and 20 million in Africa? Imagine that in 30 years you would have probably a half a billion protestants in China at that rate. That is an amazing growth rate. Please give me a break. Where are your numbers from? You might want to find a new source.
 
Fredricks said:
**GLOBAL CATHOLIC NEWS
Rome’s Zenit News **

Percentage of Catholics in the World Slips
VATICAN CITY, MAY 10, 2004 (Zenit.org).- The number of Catholics in the world is increasing, but their percentage has decreased slightly, according to newly released Church data.

The Statistical Yearbook of the Church for 2002, prepared by the Central Office of Church Statistics and just published by the Vatican press office, tracks data from the start of John Paul II’s pontificate through 2002.

The yearbook indicates that the crisis of the dwindling ranks of diocesan priests has passed, but not the crisis of religious vocations.

The number of Catholic faithful rose from 757 million in 1978 to 1.07 billion at year-end 2002. By continent, the increase was 150% in Africa; 74% in Asia; 49% in Oceania; 45% in the Americas; and 5% in Europe.

Yet, the percentage of Catholics as a share of world population dropped. In 1978, 17.99% of the world’s inhabitants were Catholic; in 1990, the tally was 17.68%; and in 2002, 17.2%.

Good research BTW, by those statistics a 0.70 drop in population of the world that are claimed Catholics doesn’t mean it is fading away. The Church still increased from around 770 million to 1.2 billion in a little over 30 years. It’s tough to say the Church is fading away from those statistics.

If the numbers went from something like 17.99% to 6% and 770 million down to 300 million or something, then a good argument could be made. But really the Church has been around 2000 years, it claims over one billion people, it’s not fading away. And Protestant Churches aren’t seeing any significant growth over Catholic Churches. I think they are right around 500 million worldwide. Plus any decrease in Catholic total share can’t automatically be asumed to be because they converted to Protestantism, more than likely the surge of Islam is the cause, but I can’t verify this.

Maybe you guys should rethink your stance on contraception 😃 No one breeds like the Catholics… I’ll probably have four or five myself. And God bless our Mexican and Latino brethren, they’re the new Irish.

My vote is the Church is the most stable organization in human history, and will be here until Christ comes back.
 
Nicene said:
Will that be next to the thread where you tell us yours is the one true church so we can disprove it?
SLAM!!! Nicene bares his teeth!

Under Peter’s successors I clearly indicate I believe that the members of Christs universal church come from a range of churches(Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox) but that only the Lord is the judge. So much for a relaxing read!
 
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Fredricks:
Yet, the percentage of Catholics as a share of world population dropped. In 1978, 17.99% of the world’s inhabitants were Catholic; in 1990, the tally was 17.68%; and in 2002, 17.2%.
That refers to the share in world population due to population growth. The number of Church members has grown by 1.1% but the overall share decreased slightly. The “share” probably has increased in the Islam category since they tend to have much larger families and are attracting converts.

As far as “Protestants”, I thought allischalmers was arguing that Baptists are not Protestants just yesterday. :confused:
 
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Fredricks:
SLAM!!! Nicene bares his teeth!
Under Peter’s successors I clearly
indicate I believe that the members of Christs universal church come from a range of churches(Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox) but that only the Lord is the judge. So much for a relaxing read!

You have GOT to get a sense of humor. 😦

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
I don’t know how it’s possible to have accurate numbers from China. As far as Catholics, they have been forced underground:

“According to sources quoted by Father Cervellera, Catholics in China number about 12 million, though the government only recognizes some 4 million to 5 million. There are 117 Catholic bishops, only 70 of whom are recognized by the state authorities.”

www.cardinalkungfoundation.org/press/030528.htm
 
Let it be known, I do not think the catholic church is fading away. I do see it shrinking though as a percentage of the population. Thats all.
 
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Fredricks:
Let it be known, I do not think the catholic church is fading away. I do see it shrinking though as a percentage of the population. Thats all.
My guess is because of Islam, and India and China’s massive population growth that can be said for Christianity as a whole.

The fact is Europe is almost completely secular, and Islam is making huge roads there. Most Christian westernized countries are so plagued with the idea that aborting 2 million children a year in the US alone is acceptable. Birth control, 2 kids per home only so you can have all the nice toys is really going to affect Christian growth rates from generation to generation IMO.
 
As far as South Korea is concerned, we may concede that there maybe more Protestants than Catholics, who composed only about 9% of the total population of 48 milion, or over 4 million Catholics, because the U.S. military and many U.S. citizens have been in that country since the Korean War.

However, the Catholic Church in South Korea is now baptizing converts at the rate of 150,000 annually!

As far as the North is concerned, ALL religious organizations are/were brutally persecuted but the Catholic Church counts on a remnant of faithful at around 3,000, without a priest!
 
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allischalmers:
A half century ago Brazil and South America where predominantly Roman Catholic. Today there are two Protestant churches to one Catholic church. Is the catholic Church fading away in South America and Brazil ?
Twenty eight thousand mainland Chinese become Protestant believers every day
More than 20,000 Africans become Protestant believers every day.
Over 40% of Koreas are now Protestant Christian. Now there are more than than 7000 Protestant churches in Seoul alone, with one church-Yoida Full Gospel Church - claiming a registered membership of more than 700,000, making it the largest single church in the world.
And on it goes thoughout the world. Is the Catholic Church fading away ???

forever Baptist
allischalmers
Only in the dreams and wishful thinking of some folks.

I am pretty confortable that newer numbers will show a turnaround.
Pax vobiscum,
 
You can be sure of one thing though, this thread has the fastest growing rate on the forum.🙂
 
You know, guys, the whole numbers debate is just as pointless as the scandal score debate. The number of warm bodies in a Catholic Church has about as much bearing on the truthfulness or the falsehood of its teachings as the number of people who, acting in the Church’s name, added a couple of extra inches to heretics’ heights on the rack.

It may someday be a GOOD thing that the Church is down to a few people in someone’s basement.
 
I can guarantee, on the promise of Jesus Christ Himself, that even if only one Catholic remains in the entire world… that one Catholic is then the only human with access to the fullness of the Faith…

and that one Catholic has what the others, who may call themselves Christians, do not have… the promise of Matt 16:28, and all the promises Christ gave to His only Church.

Numbers are not the sign of the Truth.

By the way… the second largest “denomination” in this country is not Baptist (your are a distant third)… it is fallen away Catholics… those who leave and really don’t know what they are leaving.

It is funny:nope: how many Catholics who don’t know their faith at all, one day join a man-made theology and all of a sudden know all the things “wrong” about Catholicism…

or how they may give one half up to one percent tithe… begrudgingly… and then join a pentacostal movement and “gladly” give 10%:banghead:
 
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montanaman:
You know, guys, the whole numbers debate is just as pointless as the scandal score debate. The number of warm bodies in a Catholic Church has about as much bearing on the truthfulness or the falsehood of its teachings as the number of people who, acting in the Church’s name, added a couple of extra inches to heretics’ heights on the rack.

It may someday be a GOOD thing that the Church is down to a few people in someone’s basement.
Good point! 👍
 
The numbers for “Protestantism” are interesting though because the whole category is an amorphous blob that changes shape but still goes by “Protestant”. For instance, the mainstream Protestant denominations are hemorraging members to the non-denominational movement. But this type of trend is disguised when you use this kind of “Protestant” umbrella. The actual movement between denominations within this category would be very interesting to see.
 
Some demographers estimate that there at least 30 million Christians in mainland China and more than half of them are Catholics.

On the Catholic side, there are an estimated 16~18 million Catholics, with 12~13 million underground and 4~5 million recognized “officially” by the communist government.

In Hongkong, there are an estimated 400,000 Catholics under the care of the new Cardinal Joseph Zen.
 
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