Is the Roman Catholic Church fading away?

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Fredricks:
Yet, the percentage of Catholics as a share of world population dropped. In 1978, 17.99% of the world’s inhabitants were Catholic; in 1990, the tally was 17.68%; and in 2002, 17.2%.
Given the well-known, ongoing secularization of the Christian world, and the population growth in Asia, India and the Muslim world, this figure means very little without also investigating the percentage of Catholics in the total percentage of Christians.

But it does have minor sensationalisic value, if that’s what you were after.
 
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allischalmers:
A half century ago Brazil and South America where predominantly Roman Catholic. Today there are two Protestant churches to one Catholic church. Is the catholic Church fading away in South America and Brazil ?
Twenty eight thousand mainland Chinese become Protestant believers every day
More than 20,000 Africans become Protestant believers every day.
Over 40% of Koreas are now Protestant Christian. Now there are more than than 7000 Protestant churches in Seoul alone, with one church-Yoida Full Gospel Church - claiming a registered membership of more than 700,000, making it the largest single church in the world.
And on it goes thoughout the world. Is the Catholic Church fading away ???

forever Baptist
allischalmers

There are several things to be said about this - for instance:​

If people come to a saving faith in Christ, I don’t think it matters much whether they are Catholics or Protestants while doing so, or what they are. God is not restrained by human limitations, nor does He give grace only to His Church

The material fact of belonging to body X rather than body Y, is of itself irrelevant to one’s standing before Christ: God has no favourites, but is good to all.

A Christianity which leaves one praising oneself before God because one does not believe OSAS, or does not pray to the saints, or whatever, is worthless, because it is based on one’s own success in avoiding what is perceived, rightly or wrongly, as evil. The one thing a Christian is not, is a self-made man - he is a Christ-made, grace-made man. The self-made man is an American idol having nothing to do with the grace of Christ - and idols are good only for destruction.

It matters not a jot what size a Church is - whether it has ten members, or a thousand billion, God is equally well able to pour the fury of His righteous wrath upon it. Mere numbers are of no importance - nothing could be of more utter irrelevance than mere bigness of number, space, or bulk. Do people really think God will be impressed by bigness ? If He increases a Church in faith or numbers or any other good thing, this is entirely from His gracious kindness - so Christians have no reason to congaratulate themselves. We can be thankful, but never boastful.

If we think we are privileged - so we are: & with privileges go responsibilities. Jesus, Who is infinitely privileged as the man Who is God, did not boast of His Sonship of God, but poured it out on others.

If size was a guarantee of being loved by God, the Roman Empire under Nero was more loved by God than the young Church described in Acts; and the Babylonian Empire ruled by Nebuchadnezzar was more loved than the exiled Jewish Church.

Abraham was only one man - Ur was an entire city. Was he wrong to follow the call of God - or should he have ignored it, and stayed in Ur, to continue worshipping the moon-god, whose sanctuary it was ?

So it is a mistake to judge a Church by its outward circumstances - Laodicea was more prosperous than the other six in Revelation 2 & 3; it is also the most severely judged. So we can never assume that because our standing before God in Christ is blessed by Him at one time, we cannot come under His wrath at another. This is not because His faithfulness fails - it does not, cannot; it is because we do not have in us that changelessness which is His. His faithfulness is no guarantee that we will not be faithless: it is He, not we, Who is Holy and Righteous. That’s why we cannot pride ourselves on our identities as Catholic or Baptist or whatever - & all such self-esteem and self-pride have been demolished by the Cross anyway; that, nothing else, is what we are to be proud of. ##
 
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Elzee:
I’m confused - if baptism is only symbolic, why does it matter if baptisms are declining?
This is fairly fascinating with regards to being a symbol. For something that is symbolic it sure is governed by a lot of strict rules in Baptist churches.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
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Eden:
I got my apologetics wrong from debating the Muslims too long! There are 2 billion Christians and 1.2 billion of those are Catholic. :o
allischalmers may have somewhat of a point here. I have a tape of Steve Ray’s conversion story. I would guess that it’s about 10 years old. On it, he says that (at that time) there were 1 billion Catholics and that the Protestants plus the Orthodox didn’t even make half of that. So, if Mr. Ray’s numbers were correct, then we’ve definitely had quite a bit of sheep stolen, pretty crappy evangelization, and not much growth (probably because of the contracepting CINOs) within the past decade or so. 😦
 
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allischalmers:
A half century ago Brazil and South America where predominantly Roman Catholic. Today there are two Protestant churches to one Catholic church. Is the catholic Church fading away in South America and Brazil ?
Twenty eight thousand mainland Chinese become Protestant believers every day
More than 20,000 Africans become Protestant believers every day.
Over 40% of Koreas are now Protestant Christian. Now there are more than than 7000 Protestant churches in Seoul alone, with one church-Yoida Full Gospel Church - claiming a registered membership of more than 700,000, making it the largest single church in the world.
And on it goes thoughout the world. Is the Catholic Church fading away ???

forever Baptist
allischalmers
Isn’t it amazing that one hundred years ago people thought the Catholic Church was going away then, too? I mean, Protestants did outnumber Catholics then. In less than 100 years though, the Catholic Church has become the world’s largest religion (although the Muslims are gaining on us). With the reconciliation of the persecuted Catholics in China with the Pope and Rome, that will add some 20 million more Catholics to the count. Do numbers matter, though? Or only to someone with a complex? We are also doing what the Protestants in Africa failed to do: Evangelize. In Madegascar alone Catholicism is the fastest growing religion. Why? Not because we pressure people or let them have immediate conversions, but because we build water wells, schools, orphanages, hospitals, etc. I also wouldn’t call the only religion with its own country irrelevent. At least not for thousands of years. We survived numerous persecutions in the days before the collapse of the Roman Empire when we evangelized the Romans. I think we can handle protestants. Although some protestants would rather work with Catholics on the mission field in helping us build schools etc. in poor countries than bicker about numbers. 🙂
 
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Fidelis:
As stated, what you say is misleading:
Brazil and South America are STILL (not were) predominately Catholic. Most of these Protestant “churches” are small, house or storefront operations that don’t approach the size and numbers of the average Catholic parish…
Definitely the case even here in Los Angeles with the large hispanic population. Most of the pentecostal churchs are sandwiched in between places like hair salons and liquor stores, and it doesnt take much to start one but some folding chairs and a bible.

Catholic parishes sometimes have people standing due to no more room left in the pews on Sundays and its not unusual to see the congregation spilling out on to the street on days like Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, Feast Day of Our Lady of Guadalupe, etc.
 
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allischalmers:
A half century ago Brazil and South America where predominantly Roman Catholic. Today there are two Protestant churches to one Catholic church. Is the catholic Church fading away in South America and Brazil ?
Twenty eight thousand mainland Chinese become Protestant believers every day
More than 20,000 Africans become Protestant believers every day.
Over 40% of Koreas are now Protestant Christian. Now there are more than than 7000 Protestant churches in Seoul alone, with one church-Yoida Full Gospel Church - claiming a registered membership of more than 700,000, making it the largest single church in the world.

Eph says…
I think as long as people are being saved by Faith in Jesus Christ …who really cares what particular “church group” they belong to or attend when that happens…!

Whether it be a Protestant Church or a Catholic Church or Baptist Church doesn’t make a bit of difference as long as people are saved…!

I’m sure God doesn’t care about what “church group” that happened to be in when the “light” got turned on…! 👍
 
How funny and ironic that “Baptists” don’t believe in baptism as means of salvation/regeneration. What a Protest!!! 👍
 
First I have to ask what protestant denomination are you talking about? The 1.2 billion Catholics in world are united by ONE, APOSTOLIC faith. The other billion or so other Christians (protestants) are scattered with conflicting and contradicting doctrines.

Surely, Christ did not have this confusion in mind. Lets face it, sola scriptura cannot bring about the visible unity in the Church that St. Paul pleads with the Corithians to maintain.

Is the Roman Catholic Church fading away? NEVER! She is the bride of Christ and the gates of hell will never prevail against her!!! WOOHOOOO!!!
 
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