Is the time right for a repeal of the 2nd amendment?

[JonNC]

And yet Colorado is a concealed carry State. Do you propose forcing people to carry?

Of course not. IIRC, the theatre had a no firearms policy. And I’m not in favor of forcing businesses to allow it.

At any rate the shooter wearing a gas mask, set off tear gas grenades first preventing anyone with a gun from having a clear shot.

Maybe we should ban gas masks.

 

[Vonsalza]

As usual, your obnoxious style rears it’s ugly head.

It is the unlearned that think rights are given.

It seems you enjoy pointed rhetoric too, Jon.

And you, of course, know what I was talking about. The dichotomy is the false choice between people having guns and or children being safe.

Sure. A dichotomy I have never made. Ever.

The FBI does the right thing.

FBI says ‘processes’ not followed on Parkland shooter tip

The law clearly needs a more liberal application of Occam’s Razor.

More can be done without denying the law abiding thrir rights as leftists are drooling to do

More support for the first point in this post.

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

Can you provide where I make this admission, per your obviously otherwise baseless assertion here?

I thought you said:

You should be more concerned about being hit by lightening.

Yes. That was in reply to your comment:
“how fair that is to those homeowners and others wanting to defend themselves against a blood thirsty criminal.”

Deadly home invasions are about as common as lightening strikes.

 

[Vonsalza]

Then I presume you think the data in this chart is false, then?

There seems a disparity here…

 

[Theo520]

It’s beheld as a powerful and sexy accessory by many US gun owners. Just look at its prolific use in selfie culture.

ROFL, and skiers have pictures of them with their skis.

Do you know who this gal is?

 

[SuperLuigi]

I will not comply with a gun ban.

 

[SuperLuigi]

I agree 100%.

 

[JonNC]

Sure. A dichotomy I have never made. Ever

Dichotomy: a division or contrast between two things that are or are represented as being opposed or entirely different.

**. There are those among us, Jon, that feel that the delusions of power and liberty that are sold alongside AR15s don’t justify the societal costs incurred due to the occasional closet psychopath getting a hold of one. **

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

Sure. A dichotomy I have never made. Ever

Dichotomy: a division or contrast between two things that are or are represented as being opposed or entirely different.

**. There are those among us, Jon, that feel that the delusions of power and liberty that are sold alongside AR15s don’t justify the societal costs incurred due to the occasional closet psychopath getting a hold of one. **

The type of gun is just one example. I’m equally happy making the same statement with “plastic Glock” or “plastic Springfield” as another stand-in.

This should be the end…

 

[JonNC]

This should be the end…

It actually reinforces the point. This is not a trade off. We must take constitutional steps to prevent the psychopath for using guns, not find ways to keep that right from the law abiding under the false premise that it’s what we need to do to save lives.

 

[Lev]

Lev:

It’s beheld as a powerful and sexy accessory by many US gun owners. Just look at its prolific use in selfie culture.

ROFL, and skiers have pictures of them with their skis.

Do you know who this gal is?

Not very ethical to misrepresent Gabby Giffords that way. You cut out the military guy who was demonstrating military use of the weapon. It wasn’t a glorifying selfie at all.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

The same people without the AR-15s would not be able to be quite so destructive, so the societal cost can be partly ascribed to the presence of these weapons.

I’m not sure that’s true. There are a number of guns with actions similar to that of an AR-15. As I recall, too, the Aurora Colo killer killed 12 people and wounded something like 70 without ever using an AR-15. He started out with a semi-automatic shotgun, then used one or more pistols, then used a semi-automatic rifle.

The context of my response was in comparison to handguns.

 

[Vonsalza]

Ridgerunner:

LeafByNiggle:

The same people without the AR-15s would not be able to be quite so destructive, so the societal cost can be partly ascribed to the presence of these weapons.

I’m not sure that’s true. There are a number of guns with actions similar to that of an AR-15. As I recall, too, the Aurora Colo killer killed 12 people and wounded something like 70 without ever using an AR-15. He started out with a semi-automatic shotgun, then used one or more pistols, then used a semi-automatic rifle.

The context of my response was in comparison to handguns.

I think it’s great fuel for the notion that sporting firearms should be defined as not semi- nor full-automatic which should be categorically difficult to obtain.

Partner that with a buyback and the natural failure of these plastic guns over time and you have something that resembles a long-term solution.

What civilians are left with are firearms with lower output volumes. In response, they’d need to work on their marksmanship and gun-handling - which is perfectly consistent with the original mission of the NRA before it became the mouthpiece for gun manufacturers.

 

[anikins]

Hundreds of dead children is a price I’m willing to pay to be able to squeeze off some rounds with the boys down at the range.

Is this real life?

 

[Vonsalza]

lmachine:

Hundreds of dead children is a price I’m willing to pay to be able to squeeze off some rounds with the boys down at the range.

Is this real life?

Think that was sarcasm.

 

[anikins]

Think that was sarcasm.

Ok, thank you! Reading posts out of context. Also, the fact that I second guessed it is telling. CAF is a weird place.

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

Think that was sarcasm.

Ok, thank you! Reading posts out of context. Also, the fact that I second guessed it is telling. CAF is a weird place.

Flaw of the written medium as well.

Tone can get lost.

 

[Suudy]

“Abortion” is short for “aborting a pregnancy” not “killing a child”

No. “Abortion,” used in the usual context is direct abortion. That is, the intentional, willed destruction of an innocent human life. Please don’t muddy the waters with equivocal meanings.

 

[upant]

Just stop the deliveries to the box stores until the rebels lay down their arms.

they would alienate everyone because of the rebels?

i think the rebels would fight like the IRA did.

In any case, talk of it is ridiculous because it’s not going to happen.

our biggest threat is from our fellow citizens. look at the recent riots

Just seal it enough where the majority of folks can’t get what they need.

it is estimated that only 3% would be rebelling. the rest would grow tired of the lack of food real quick.

As to whether the American Rebellion would be successful today,

how would you define success?

Also, since I am Pro-Life, I also oppose the death penalty.

off topic but did you see the cop killer that threatened to continue to kill cops after he was given a life sentence? do you think he should be put to death? or wait until he succeeds in killing a guard one day.

you have the NRA supporting them.

there are organizations more radical than the nra supporting them

China.

would china and russia unofficially support the rebels?

That is true, but irrelevant to the question of whether AR-15s are worth the societal cost.

i can take two six-shooters with extra ammo speed loaders and do as much damage as an ar-15. possibly more because i can use a bigger caliber pistol.

 

[Luke6_37]

The difference of course, is that owning a firearm is a RIGHT. So often, that distinction makes a big difference.

But let me know when you think people should have insurance to exercise due process or other rights.

I see no difference. The Pro-Choice liberals and SCOTUS say having an abortion is a right too. They are wrong and so are you.

Nobody has a right to own the kind of gun that killed those children at Sandy Hook or Parkland. They are nothing but deadly toys.

Time to ban the toys.

A sick society is one that does nothing to prevent guns and abortion from killing innocent children, because a few marginal members claim it is their constitutionally protected right to have unfettered access to both