Is the time right for a repeal of the 2nd amendment?

[upant]

Isn’t the explicit assertion that a much Less free access to guns in the US would likely see guns less often misused, but that this good has side effects

you don’t think the killer won’t use another method? you ban the ar-15 and then it stops? the Virginia college killing was done with a glock 19.

AR-15s are not the cause of the shootings.

i was at a big box store today that sold guns. they did not sell ar-15’s because of the liberal agenda. yet, they sold several wooden stock 5.56 guns that could achieve the same results. no one complains about the wooden stock guns.

The same people without the AR-15s would not be able to be quite so destructive,

this is not true in the least. any number of rifles or pistols would have achieved the same results.

doesn’t mean I’d accept the extermination of my fellow citizens.

how would you stop it?

 

[upant]

Nobody has a right to own the kind of gun that killed those children at Sandy Hook or Parkland.

26 people have been killed in chiraq just in the first 21 days of february.
86 have been shot and wounded.
112 total shot.
32 total homicides

why don’t we see the families of these citizens on cnn? don’t they count?

it is disgusting to use this tragedy for political gain. how many ar-15’s were used to kill these people. are their deaths less significant

go ahead ban the ar as the citizens of chiraq continue to die.

what will you ban with the next mass shooting

 

[Luke6_37]

Luke6_37:

Nobody has a right to own the kind of gun that killed those children at Sandy Hook or Parkland.

26 people have been killed in chiraq just in the first 21 days of february.
86 have been shot and wounded.
112 total shot.
32 total homicides

why don’t we see the families of these citizens on cnn? don’t they count?

it is disgusting to use this tragedy for political gain. how many ar-15’s were used to kill these people. are their deaths less significant

go ahead ban the ar as the citizens of chiraq continue to die.

what will you ban with the next mass shooting

 

[Vonsalza]

they would alienate everyone because of the rebels?

i think the rebels would fight like the IRA did.

They’d be similarly beaten. The Troubles are over and the North remains British.

it is estimated that only 3% would be rebelling. the rest would grow tired of the lack of food real quick.

That’s exactly the point. They’d sell out the identities of the rebels in order to get McDonald’s and Wal-Mart “turned back on”.

how would you define success?

When armed conflict ends the Union Jack no longer sails over the land.

would china and russia unofficially support the rebels?

Would they be alright with transatlantic and transpacific transports being sunk or shot down?

i can take two six-shooters with extra ammo speed loaders and do as much damage as an ar-15.

B.S. Card liberally and enthusiastically thrown.

I have revolvers with speed loaders and AR15s.
There is no reality in which you can speed load 2 revolvers as fast as I can drop-n-swap the mag on any of my ARs. That reality exists nowhere in the multiverse.

Not to mention, when you reload you gain 12 shots on average. Maybe 14.
I get 30. 100 round mags are available - for some stupid reason…

 

[JonNC]

I see no difference. The Pro-Choice liberals and SCOTUS say having an abortion is a right too. They are wrong and so are you.

Sadly abortion, as the bedrock principle of American progressivism, it has been read into the constitution.
The second, however, is clearly enumerated.

Nobody has a right to own the kind of gun that killed those children at Sandy Hook or Parkland. They are nothing but deadly toys.

Nobody has the right to use a gun the way it was used at Sandy Hook.

A sick society is one that does nothing to prevent guns and abortion from killing innocent children, because a few marginal members claim it is their constitutionally protected right to have unfettered access to both

I am all for taking steps to stop people from killing others. I am not in favor of punishing those who do not. I am not in favor of punishing doctors who don’t kill soon to be born human beings and I am not in favor of punishing the 99.9% of gun owners who don’t kill other human beings.
Finally, no one has unfettered access to purchasing a firearm, and you know it.

 

[Rau]

The difference of course, is that owning a firearm is a RIGHT.

Only in countries where there Constitution says so. Constitutions are subject to review, as we know.

 

[Rau]

I will not comply with a gun ban.

What is a gun ban?

 

[MonteRCMS]

Of course not … we have abortion mills do our mass killing for us!

 

[MonteRCMS]

Where are you from?

Constitutions are BEDROCK.

They are reviewed or changed ONLY with major effort.

Laws are changed with majority vote, which is very easy to do.

 

[JonNC]

Only in countries where there Constitution says so. Constitutions are subject to review, as we know.

In every country. It’s just acright denied in many

 

[Rau]

In every country. It’s just acright denied in many

Most countries simply disagree with you.

 

[Rau]

Constitutions are BEDROCK.

They should address governance framework and other fundamental matters, not subject to variations with time, circumstances, technology and societal attitudes etc. Many people think the availability of guns deserves such treatment, many don’t.

They are reviewed or changed ONLY with major effort.

While they should reflect the considered will of the people, they are not intended to be routinely changed, and more than simple majorities are usually required.

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

In every country. It’s just acright denied in many

Most countries simply disagree with you.

Yes. That’s called free speech, another right many of those countries deny.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

disagreement.

Really? 'Cause I’m a liberal, and I know a lot of liberals, and I’ve never met one who would accept a “Soviet style extermination of their fellow citizens” for any reason.

Remember your reaction to roadwarrior’s inflaming comment next time you are inferring that NRA members/gun owners “have blood on their hands” or “would rather see kids killed than give up their toys”.

We are all Americans (except for some leftists who post here and want us to disarm), we are mostly all Catholics, we all love our children and nobody wants another school shooting.

We simply disagree on where our individual rights and responsibilities conflict with societies gains. You and other leftists fear the individual and look to the state for protection, while us conservatives fear an overly powerful state and look to our individual selves for protection.

 

[JonNC]

Where are you from?

Constitutions are BEDROCK.

They are reviewed or changed ONLY with major effort.

Laws are changed with majority vote, which is very easy to do.

And even that isn’t always the case; the filibuster in the Senate and a presidential vetoes.
Which returns us back to the fact that one reason for the design of the republic, not being a democracy, is the protection of rights against the majority. We haven’t alays been successful, but we should continue to try.

 

[Ridgerunner]

But do you really think people like the Fla shooter is motivated to kill by the shape of the gun?

It’s beheld as a powerful and sexy accessory by many US gun owners. Just look at its prolific use in selfie culture.

You didn’t answer the question. Do you really believe these shooters are motivated to kill by the shape of the gun?

 

[Ridgerunner]

Remember your reaction to roadwarrior’s inflaming comment next time you are inferring that NRA members/gun owners “have blood on their hands” or “would rather see kids killed than give up their toys”.

We are all Americans (except for some leftists who post here and want us to disarm), we are mostly all Catholics, we all love our children and nobody wants another school shooting.

We simply disagree on where our individual rights and responsibilities conflict with societies gains. You and other leftists fear the individual and look to the state for protection, while us conservatives fear an overly powerful state and look to our individual selves for protection.

There are, I understand, some 8 million AR-15s in the possession of Americans. To that one can add any number of M-14s and probably a lot more than 8 million ordinary 30-06 semi-automatic deer rifles. To that, one can add the various semi-automatic historic weapons like the M-1 Garand that one can buy from the government right now and could all through the Obama administration.

To that, one needs to add the millions of semi-automatic pistols and shotguns.

Millions and millions of semi-automatic weapons, and yet no millions and millions of shooter/killers.

It’s not the guns.

What we do have, though, are unguarded schools and a media that gives every psycho-shooter the fame he craves.

 

[Vonsalza]

You and other leftists fear the individual and look to the state for protection, while us conservatives fear an overly powerful state and look to our individual selves for protection.

The problem these apparently sub-human “leftists” have is that an individual is too dangerous to other individuals when they have quick and easy access to semiautomatic firearms.

In order for psychopaths to get them, they need the cash and no felony convictions. That’s a mighty low bar to meet in order to purchase weapons that are usually designed primarily for military function and only mildly neutered for civilian consumption…

Another problem these leftists have is that this notion of relying on yourself for protection is farcical. If someone is willing to kill you in a home invasion, they’re probably not going to give you a fair warning of when they plan to kick in your door. So at best, your defense weapon is in another room and they’ve already got you sighted in theirs. So you’re dead already.

And as an answer to national tyranny - a bunch of middle-aged men and women with, at best, ARs and a few 50 cals are going to defeat an army with Abrams tanks and Apaches??? So in that case also - you’re dead already.

In sum: to these leftists, the main reasons conservatives give for defending the right to own these child-killers are rooted almost exclusively in fantasy and delusion.

Florida teaches us that even when you put an armed “good guy” in the same scene as the rampant killer, a whole bunch of kids still get shot because the “good guy” gets reasonably scared and looks at his feet.

“Well I’d have behaved differently!!!”

I’m sure he said the same thing until the shots rang out…

There’s no good reason to own these things. If they’re ever made illegal, I’ll be the first to turn mine in.

 

[JonNC]

The problem these apparently sub-human “leftists” have is that an individual is too dangerous to other individuals when they have quick and easy access to semiautomatic firearms.

Then no government official should be allowed to either. Individuals are individuals.

In order for psychopaths to get them, they need the cash and no felony convictions. That’s a mighty low bar to meet in order to purchase weapons that are usually designed primarily for military function and only mildly neutered for civilian consumption…

An AR-15 is not a military weapon. They are semiautomatic.

Another problem these leftists have is that this notion of relying on yourself for protection is farcical.

You may think so, but that’s not what the SCOTUS has said. You cannot rely of law enforcement for your defense, even against someone with a restraining order. And these recent cases, government had proven itself flawed in even following through under current law.

Florida teaches us that even when you put an armed “good guy” in the same scene as the rampant killer, a whole bunch of kids still get shot because the “good guy” gets reasonably scared and looks at his feet.

And yet progressives want us to not have the tools to defend ourselves.

 

[Ridgerunner]

There’s no good reason to own these things. If they’re ever made illegal, I’ll be the first to turn mine in.

Why wait? You could turn it over to the local sheriff or PD today. Or you could just take it apart and throw the pieces off the nearest bridge over a river. No reason to keep it since it’s useless, right?