Is the time right for a repeal of the 2nd amendment?

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Heller “held, in a 5–4 decision, that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home…”
Reading some posters here I had assumed the Constitution was crystal clear on this point and anyone who thought otherwise just didn’t understand. Are you saying 4 out 9 judges did not accept the position you describe? Maybe this is another argument for a rethink of this clause!
 
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His lawyers claim that he was afflicted with autism and as well was a victim of medical neglect, diminished mental capacity and inadequate supervision all of which lessen his responsibility. I don’t buy that of course,
Do you information that settles the question? If not, why take a position before the evidence is in?
 
Do you information that settles the question? If not, why take a position before the evidence is in?
I was responding to the statement that :" the laws against murder are most assuredly going to be enforced upon Mr. Nikolas Cruz." That was the position taken by the poster. You can ask him " why take a position before the evidence is in?" My point was that it is not clear to me that the laws against murder will be most assuredly enforced, because there may be an American judge who gives a lot of weight to the claims of his defense lawyers.
 
We’ve done a good job here in New York City, which has been run by Democrats (with the exception of Rudy Giuliani) for about a zillion years.
but rudy is the one who gets the credit. wasn’t bloomberg a repub at first.
Not worried about murderers right now.

Worried about mass shooters.
because it is a crisis the grabbers can use to their advantage
 
My point was that it is not clear to me that the laws against murder will be most assuredly enforced, because there may be an American judge who gives a lot of weight to the claims of his defense lawyers.
I was asking why you say you “don’t buy” the medical infirmities claimed by his legal team…given you apparently have no information? I am asking why you take a position on a matter about which you have no information.

And I assume you are aware that enforcing the laws against murder does not entail ignoring evidence as to the mental state of the accused? That evidence is presented, can be challenged and the court weighs it.
 
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I was asking why you say you “don’t buy” the medical infirmities claimed by his legal team
Because he passed the background checks, including the mental health question, required to get an AR-15 rifle. Further, on Nov. 12, 2016. the Florida child welfare agency completed an investigation which showed that he had not been mistreated by his mother and was receiving sufficient care from mental health counselors and they found him to be stable enough to be free and not hospitalized. And clinical professor of psychology at University of Miami. Michael Alessandri said that autism was not one of the causes or reasons why he shot the students at the school.
 
I wonder if his legal team missed all that? Better to reserve judgement till all the evidence is tested.
 
but rudy is the one who gets the credit. wasn’t bloomberg a repub at first.
Giuliani was notorious for grabbing credit for everything, but the decline in crime rates, and the police policies that contributed to it, began during the Dinkins administration, continued through the Giuliani administration, and then into the Bloomberg and DeBlasio administrations.

Bloomberg was indeed a Republican in name. He ran on the Republican ticket because the Democratic slot wasn’t available at the time. Most Republicans call him (accurately, in my opinion) a RINO.
 
Nobody believes that Mayor Dinkins led a reduction in murder and other crimes in New York City.

One day during the campaign, Trump was going somewhere in his personal plane, a Boeing 757 narrow body airliner. As he was being interviewed by a bunch of reporters, the camera man for no particular reason swung … panned … the camera around, and sitting quietly right across the aisle from Trump was … ta-da … Rudy Giuliani.
 
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Not worried about murderers right now.

Worried about mass shooters.
Meanwhile, more than 30 were murdered in one recent weekend in Chicago.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.chic...nd-shootings-violence-20180122-story,amp.html

Mass shootings represent a small fraction of the gun murders in our country. Most gun murders happen with illegally acquired firearms.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime/

And NRA members and CCL holders almost never commit gun crimes.
How many members of the NRA have been convicted of a crime during which they displayed a gun to force compliance of the victim? - Quora.
 
Reading some posters here I had assumed the Constitution was crystal clear on this point and anyone who thought otherwise just didn’t understand. Are you saying 4 out 9 judges did not accept the position you describe? Maybe this is another argument for a rethink of this clause!
A 5-4 is no less binding than a 9-0.
It would take a constitutional amendment to change the standard to a “super majority “
 
I know and I think it’s a great system.

A man that has $10K to drop on a legally purchased full-auto isn’t the kind of man that’ll shoot up a school. Too much to lose.
We’ve been through this wealth privilege approach before.
The vast number of lower class people who legally purchase firearms do not commit crimes.
 
The problem these apparently sub-human “leftists” have is that an individual is too dangerous to other individuals when they have quick and easy access to semiautomatic firearms.
Leftists are not “sub-human”, evil, or anything like that (well, I think evil is drawn to the power accumulated in the hands of a few people that leftism provides, see Stalin, Che, Mao, or Castro as examples), and I never inferred they were. I think leftists are wrong, and politically dangerous, but not sub-human…so please stop conflating.

Access to semiautomatic firearms like my handgun? Are you suggesting we ban 90% of handguns in the US??
In order for psychopaths to get them, they need the cash and no felony convictions. That’s a mighty low bar to meet in order to purchase weapons that are usually designed primarily for military function and only mildly neutered for civilian consumption…
Cash (or credit), no felony convictions, no adjudications of mental incompetence, no misdemeanor domestic violence convictions, have US citizenship, be of age 18 (likely soon to be 21), not be a drug addict, not have a dishonorable discharge, not be a fugitive, and not have a restraining order.

You consider changing a low caliber weapon from fully automatic to semi-automatic “only mildly neutered”? Now instead of conflating you are minimizing the differences.
Another problem these leftists have is that this notion of relying on yourself for protection is farcical. If someone is willing to kill you in a home invasion, they’re probably not going to give you a fair warning of when they plan to kick in your door. So at best, your defense weapon is in another room and they’ve already got you sighted in theirs. So you’re dead already.
I am responsible for protecting myself and my family, and my firearms are simply one layer of that. Situational awareness and an ego that lets me escape potentially dangerous situations is the first layer of defense.

True, sometimes you don’t see the threat coming and an armed person may not have access to their firearm. Othertimes, with appropriate situational awareness, you can identify the threat coming and prepare. Unfortunately leftists would limit our preparation to calling the government so they can come and take a report.
 
And as an answer to national tyranny - a bunch of middle-aged men and women with, at best, ARs and a few 50 cals are going to defeat an army with Abrams tanks and Apaches??? So in that case also - you’re dead already.
I doubt you have much knowledge of military history. Just like a firearm is just one layer of my personal/family protection, a firearm is just one segment of a revolution. See other threads here for pertinent discussions.

The rest of your post is simply inflammatory rhetoric and I will ignore it.
 
An AR-15 is an M16/M4 with full-auto capability removed. Designed by Eugene Stoner for war. Period.
The DESIGN of an AR-15 is that. Same could be said for the flintlock, musket, etc. Same could be said for the Jeep. Velcro was designed for the space program. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t use them for civilian purposes.

Most of what the media calls “AR-15 STYLE MILITARY ASSAULT RIFLES” are poorly made knock-offs of the M16.
I’m all for easy civilian ownership of firearms that are neither semi nor fully automatic. The latter should be rather difficult to obtain.
The latter is already EXTREMELY difficult to obtain and requires special government permission.
My assault rifles (and particularly my .308 battle rifles) are too much power to give to a psychopath.
A .22 is too much power to give to a psychopath. OH, wait, we already have laws in place prohibiting adjudicated psychopaths from having firearms. Let’s enforce that law before we take away any more rights from law-abiding (and sane) citizens.
With a .22lr?

Hell no. He couldn’t reliably kill them if he was head-shotting them at 50 yards, as the White Russians learned in the revolution.

The bullet is so light that anything but a dead-center hit would graze off their skulls…
I’ve seen quite a few people with fatal, and critical, injuries from .22 caliber weapons.
If you want to threaten a man’s life with a .22, you’ve got to be close enough that you could just about throw the weapon at him.
Absolutely untrue. It may take you a while to die, but small hole in the thorax often equals tension pneumo and death without emergency treatment.
The gun culture, whereby most people can acquire an array of weapons on short notice
Correction, law abiding people can acquire a firearm after a background check. Criminals can buy one on the street.
I hear this, and don’t question their sincerity, but cannot see it as credible. No doubt it’s claimed that the mere presence of all these guns has prevented great atrocities that the state would have perpetrated or allowed? Or perhaps another civil war is envisaged? One can’t deny the huge numbers of guns has impeded changes to gun laws.
It’s not just the presence of guns that prevents government overreach and tyranny, it’s the underlaying POWER that the people have. The base level of this power, of course, is not only the RIGHT of revolution, but the ability to revolt. We are GUARANTEED the right to bare arms, as a part of an anti-tyrannical militia, to just so the government knows that they work for us and not the other way around.
 
The duties of the police are established in places other than the Constitution.
The duties of the police are established in local regulations, which follow local law, which must conform to the Constitution.

The SCOTUS declared the PD has no duty to protect you. So who does?
Most of your non-military semi-autos have wood stocks that don’t readily accommodate attachments intended to increase the lethality of the weapon.
Sounds like plastic is dangerous, should we ban it altogether? (yes, being facetious while trying to make the point that LIFE IN A FREE WORLD IS DANGEROUS, but wouldn’t have it any other way).
because they think having no registry is essential in preventing confiscation.
Correction. Preventing a registry IS essential in preventing confiscation. See 1929 Germany as best example, although there are others.
So how do you suggest that we crack down on straw purchases with no registry?
Investigate, indict, prosecute, and then incarcerate. Something that doesn’t happen very often.
Wow. Just wow. :crazy_face:

Check the race of the last several shooters. Plenty of white folks, pal.
While his post was certainly racially charged, it is accurate to say that our national gun violence numbers are heavily skewed toward black and latino Americans. The numbers killed/injured during the “mass shootings” are a small proportion compared to those.

Different reasons for the murder rates between the different skin colors, but ignoring those differences won’t help the problems.
What is the vital societal function being carried out by semiautomatic firearms that we have concrete proof of?
We haven’t had an attempted revolution in 150 years because the people have maintained control of the government.
 
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Reading some posters here I had assumed the Constitution was crystal clear on this point and anyone who thought otherwise just didn’t understand. Are you saying 4 out 9 judges did not accept the position you describe? Maybe this is another argument for a rethink of this clause!
A 5-4 is no less binding than a 9-0.
But far less persuasive!
 
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