Is the time right for a repeal of the 2nd amendment?

[JonNC]

When that code comes down, there is nothing on a teacher’s plate than protecting the kids. That’s is our first duty

 

[Inisfallen]

People place their children in our care (I’m a teacher) everyday! We are denied the tools needed to defend our children and ourselves.

Well trained, properly equipped teachers would be an excellent last line of defense.

A society that has to arm its teachers is a sick society. God help us.

 

[JonNC]

A society that has to arm its teachers is a sick society. God help us.

I suspect I know the answer, but is Israel a sick society.
I think a sick society is one that, as bad as the gun murder rate is, about ten times that number are killed by abortion.
That’s sick.

 

[lmachine]

What he says he would refuse to do is take an offensive stance against US citizens exercising their Constitutional rights.

They won’t be shooting “US citizens exercising their Constitutional rights”, they’ll be shooting “insurgents” or “enemy combatants”.

I hope they will see the brutality that has taken place when citizens are disarmed

I hope they don’t have to witness any more brutality; they’ve already witnessed the brutality that has taken place when citizens are armed.

This is why the same number and frequency of school shootings occur in countries that don’t have the free access to guns America does. Wait…

This is a sad commentary to hear that American adults do not want to bother to protect their students.

Hundreds of dead children is a price I’m willing to pay to be able to squeeze off some rounds with the boys down at the range.

I suspect I know the answer, but is Israel a sick society.

Any society that runs concentration camps is a sick society.

 

[Inisfallen]

I suspect I know the answer, but is Israel a sick society.

I think a sick society is one that, as bad as the gun murder rate is, about ten times that number are killed by abortion.

That’s sick.

BUT ABORTION!!!

You know, that doesn’t end every debate. That doesn’t refute every point made.

 

[Luke6_37]

JonNC:

I suspect I know the answer, but is Israel a sick society.

I think a sick society is one that, as bad as the gun murder rate is, about ten times that number are killed by abortion.

That’s sick.

BUT ABORTION!!!

You know, that doesn’t end every debate. That doesn’t refute every point made.

It has to come up. Abortion is the Catholic version of Godwin’s law.

The correct reply when confronted with an argument like this is to say…

A sick society is one that does nothing to prevent guns and abortion from killing innocent children, because a few marginal members claim it is their constitutionally protected right to have unfettered access to both.

 

[Rau]

You “review it” by constitutional amendment.

2/3 of both Houses, 3/4 of the state legislatures

Yes, I believe that is the due process to implement proposed revision. Write your representative/senator/congressman!

 

[JonNC]

BUT ABORTION!!!

You know, that doesn’t end every debate. That doesn’t refute every point made.

If you’re to reference a “sick society “, I think it is perfectly reasonable to reference the sickest parts of it.

 

[anikins]

Maybe. But we can start with some common sense.

14 day waiting periods
No sales by private owners
No sales at gun shows
10 rounds magazine limit
No bump stocks (already in progress, thank you Mr. President)
No cranks
Licenses for all arms
Child lock requirements
Minimum age of purchase at 21
Universal background checks
Domestic violence ban
No fly list ban

 

[upant]

The Oregon militia demonstrated how truly ineffective the idea of a civilian militia is against government.

wasn’t bundy acquitted of the charges? the tide is turning against the government.

“We need guns so we can shoot cops and soldiers” is, to me at least, a strange argument.

how do you know cops and soldiers won’t be on the side of the 3%?

A society that has to arm its teachers is a sick society. God help us.

society has turned its back on God.

…then what do we do when we see even our most important leaders functioning as if there is no moral code? What do we think when the people we see as special turn out to be sexual predators? How are we to understand our misery when our children OD on opioids, kill themselves over Facebook bullying, or kill others just because they are angry or want to be famous? How do we handle it when we pray to the God we no longer believe in and get no response at all?

A Weak and Crumbling Foundation

What do humans do when they discover – albeit subconsciously – that everything they've believed in is wrong – is, in fact, evil? Are folks likely to do a face-palm; shake their heads; and say,

www.americanthinker.com

 

[Luke6_37]

Maybe. But we can start with some common sense.

14 day waiting periods
No sales by private owners
No sales at gun shows
10 rounds magazine limit
No bump stocks (already in progress, thank you Mr. President)
No cranks
Licenses for all arms
Child lock requirements
Minimum age of purchase at 21
Universal background checks
Domestic violence ban
No fly list ban

Wow, that’s a lot of stuff that could be done. So what’s the hold up?

 

[J_the_Centrist]

Maybe. But we can start with some common sense.

14 day waiting periods
No sales by private owners
No sales at gun shows
10 rounds magazine limit
No bump stocks (already in progress, thank you Mr. President)
No cranks
Licenses for all arms
Child lock requirements
Minimum age of purchase at 21
Universal background checks
Domestic violence ban
No fly list ban

The country will explode into violence if or when this happens. This is not Europe or Australia, people aren’t just going to “give em’ up.” I don’t believe Trump at all and nothing will get done in the end like always. I am a non gun owner against gun control but I will give you some solutions.

-Government institutions on all levels take mentality unstable individuals seriously.
-Government institutions on all levels take each and every terrorist threat, both foreign and domestic, seriously.
-Encourage a resurgence of family life and two parent households, in fact, this behavior should be rewarded by all kinds of incentives.
-If an individual has a mental issue or a criminal record then they cannot own a firearm, though I think this one already exists.
-Attempt to bridge a seriously divided nation into coming together and seriously attempt to do so.
-Encourage the ReChristianization of the culture and of the government.

These may be impossible but so are yours but at least these would heal our nation and bring some sanity back into America. Law abiding citizens shouldn’t be disarmed or penalized for the acts of psychopaths. With this country being so divided gun control is impossible, people won’t allow it.

 

[Rau]

people aren’t just going to “give em’ up.”

That list did not include confiscation nor denial of access to purchase for law abiding citizens. I understand your point that there are many who wish no or minimal controls around guns. Btw, Australian laws don’t involve compulsion to give up guns at large either. Of course, not all gun types are legal in Australia, though some are.

 

[Rau]

Law abiding citizens shouldn’t be disarmed or penalized for the acts of psychopaths.

There was no mention of disarming law abiding citizens. We generally all suffer some restrictions in the interests of living in society. Were the items in the list so great?

 

[J_the_Centrist]

As I mentioned last night this is how this will always be construed among many Americans. I never owned a gun but I certainly don’t want only the government to have them. I know, I know this is not what is being said but this is what could happen and it’s a very slippery slope.

 

[J_the_Centrist]

Those with mental illness and criminal records should never have them of course.

 

[Peebo]

Does the 2nd amendment say that those with mental illness or criminal records are to be denied their 2nd amendment right

 

[J_the_Centrist]

You’re asking for common sense aren’t you? Shall not be infringed means what it means and yes we can make adjustments but it means exactly that. In the end nothing will get done anyway and that IS regrettable. Social decay and mental illness, these are where the problems that truly exist.

 

[Peebo]

J_the_Centrist:cake:1m
You’re asking for common sense aren’t you? Shall not be infringed means what it means and yes we can make adjustments but it means exactly that. In the end nothing will get done anyway and that IS regrettable. Social decay and mental illness, these are where the problems that truly exist.
Yes to your first part…so wouldn’t that mean we would have to amend the 2nd amendment to include those with mental illness…with criminal records…because that would be taking away their right to bear arms…who is going to judge if a person has a mental illness…is everyone with some sort of mental illness going to be denied their right… or…who is going to determine which one should or shouldn’t be denied their right…and why should someone with a criminal record be denied their right if they have served their time and have no more convictions…so yes to the second part of your question also…nothing will get done…and yes…it IS regrettable

 

[meltzerboy2]

This is a great post because it speaks to a multi-pronged approach to gun violence with specific solutions, which we so desperately need. It’s not only a matter of easy access to guns (whatever type) that should be addressed, nor even mental health deficiencies and treatment as well as the adverse effect of psychotropic medication on some teenagers. You have noted so many other possible and probable influences on violent behavior. All of them should be part of solving the problem of excessive shootings. We should not waste our time on repealing the Second Amendment. Now, for me, the burning question is who among our Congressmen is willing to take on an approach such as what you suggest, rather than go with the political flow of getting re-elected by continuing in lock-step either a liberal or conservative policy? We need people in Congress who can propose and pass such multifaceted programs, while leaving politics aside for the moment. Unfortunately, I am not too hopeful of this.