Is the time right for a repeal of the 2nd amendment?

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I’m not a huge fan of policing in this country but “We need guns so we can shoot cops and soldiers” is, to me at least, a strange argument.
 
lmachine said:
I’m not a huge fan of policing in this country but “We need guns so we can shoot cops and soldiers” is, to me at least, a strange argument.
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Haven’t seen that argument made by anyone other than progressive groups like BLM and Antifa, and the like. !
 
You’re the one talking about how we need guns to fight tyranny. Who do you think will be enforcing that tyranny?
 
lmachine said:
I’m not a huge fan of policing in this country but “We need guns so we can shoot cops and soldiers” is, to me at least, a strange argument.
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It does seem strange in this country and at this time and, God willing, probably will always. But it would not have seemed so in the Warsaw ghetto or during collectivization in Ukraine, and there’s no certainty nobody in this country will ever face something similar.
 
lmachine said:
You’re the one talking about how we need guns to fight tyranny. Who do you think will be enforcing that tyranny?
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If it ever happens, it would almost have to be by special troops willing to shoot civilians, like NKVD or MVD troops. There are many instances in history where regular soldiers and police refused to do it.
 
JonNC said:
Got it. “Come on, guys. You can’t win against tyranny. Just give up your rights. Government will take care of you.”
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Except the actual tyranny is among the gun totin masses prepared to sacrifice the vulnerable to maintain the power to kill thy neighbor. Warmongering goes against every principle of Christ which promotes civil societies.
 
lmachine said:
You’re the one talking about how we need guns to fight tyranny. Who do you think will be enforcing that tyranny?
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It would be tyranny if the government starts taking rights away. Right now, it isn’t, despite the efforts of progressives on s numberbof different enumerated rights.
 
Lev said:
Except the actual tyranny is among the gun totin masses prepared to sacrifice the vulnerable to maintain the power to kill thy neighbor. Warmongering goes against every principle of Christ which promotes civil societies.
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The actual tyranny is among the progressive authoritarians who continue to try to erode constitutionally protected rights.
The warmongering and bigotry is always from the left.
 
Who actually buys this outlandish suggestion that politicians seeking gun restrictions are part of a government conspiracy to grab complete power, corrupt democracy,destroy freedom? The tyranny always comes from the ones trying their hardest to dispense with the Christian ideal of peace among neighbors and the sanctity of life especially the lives of the vulnerable in society. The whole notion of the rights of the armed being paramount to the rights of the vulnerable is the basis of tyranny. Using the constitution against the truly vulnerable is tyranny.
 
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Lev said:
Who actually buys this outlandish suggestion that politicians seeking gun restrictions are part of a government conspiracy to grab complete power, corrupt democracy,destroy freedom?
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Who actually believes that the NRA wants to see kids die, or believes that guns are worth kids deaths?
Who actually believes that the NRA controls the Congress any more than labor unions or the abortion industry do?
Who actually believes that AR-15s are only meant to kill people, when 99.9999% of the ones owned in America have never killed a soul?
Lev said:
The tyranny always comes from the ones trying their hardest to dispense with the Christian ideal of peace among neighbors and the sanctity of life especially the lives of the vulnerable in society.
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The most violent tyrannies of the 20th and 21st centuries have all been atheist, socialist, progressive regimes. USSR, China, Cambodia, the European soviet states, to name a few.
Lev said:
The whole notion of the rights of the armed being paramount to the rights of the vulnerable is the basis of tyranny. Using the constitution against the truly vulnerable is tyranny.
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It is only those who oppose rights that put them in priority. The constitutionally protected rights are not, “ this right is more important than that right”. Those arguing that the right to arms is not more important than the vulnerable will be equally willing to make that argument about free speech, religious free exercise, due process, and property rights.
The vulnerable are those at risk of losing their rights. Meanwhile, steps that could be taken protect children and those of us who teach them are refused as “wrong” or “dangerous “. The virtue signaling that the only way to end gun violence is to end constitutional rights.
 
Sure, and why not let’s ban lighters and matches the next time there’s a horrible arson, or ban cars the next time someone mows down a dozen people? The argument could be made that these things’ primary functions are not to kill but the same could be said of guns for the majority of owners who use own them for reasons other than going out and killing dozens of people. The taking of the citizens’ guns will never happen in America as it goes against the fundamental ideas behind the American raison d’etre. It gives all the power to a potentially tyrannical government which is the whole reason America’s founding citizens left Europe in the first place. Society and liberalism are to blame for these events, not guns. People have always had guns.
 
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lmachine said:
Exactly, those piles of dead children in classrooms have lost all their rights.
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Because, in this case, government didn’t do its job. This kid wasn’t obscure. He wasn’t hidden in the shadows.
But even the FBI, even though they dropped the ball horribly, isn’t at fault. One person is at fault. The shooter. No one else has blood on their hands. Not the FBI. Not those who oppose teacher concealed carry. Not those who defend rights or those who oppose rights. Just the shooter. He took their rights.
 
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JonNC said:
Not those who defend rights or those who oppose rights. Just the shooter. He took their rights.
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And part of balancing competing rights is recognizing when the exercise of one particular right infringes disproportionately on the other rights of other people and adjusting our approach to those rights. The Constitution is amendable, and I have a strong hope that the young people of this country who spend significant classroom time practicing what to do in a school shooting will refuse to continue licking the boots of the gun industry.

It’s really not very rare.
 
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