Is the time right for a repeal of the 2nd amendment?

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Ridgerunner…I would hope that you are right…but personally I think it’s way too late for any of that…like that old saying…“it’s too late to shut the gate after the horse has bolted”…violent crime…violent gangs of all races…abortion…dozens of murders/killings every day…gun violence is just part of a bigger problem…corruption…greed…drugs…the most incarcerated country of its citizens in the world…where most come out worse than when they went in…a media that is controlled by the elite few who have there own agenda…most of which is secular and decidedly anti Christian…a country where children are taught that it’s ok to explore their own sexuality and to be who ever you want to be…and they see a “gay” lifestyle being portrayed on TV…in movies…by their music idols…even among friends and family…where kids are raised with only one parent…or…the “boyfriend” or “girlfriend” of the parent…and many of them emotionally and physically abused or fend for themselves…no wonder they’re growing up confused and no doubt resentful and angry…many don’t have a childhood…a lack of respect for law and order…racial tensions…God and Jesus are just names to be used as curse words…a country divided will not stand our Lord said…I’ve lived enough decades to see us getting farther away from God to see it all happening…and sadly…the only thing that will ever bring us back to God is a severe…and I mean a very severe chastisement by God…the 2nd amendment is the least of our real problems
 
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Lev said:
It is the illusion that your household gun is your hero and savior that makes them ‘idols’ of worship.
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Not sure who does this? I know they do it quite a bit in the movies.
 
What about countries like Switzerland that requires every household to have a gun?

Edited: I researched further and that is not correct, they just have a very high ownership percentage.
 
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Because in Switzerland every male over 18 is required to do 3 years military training where they are taught responsible gun use and they are subject to assessment for mental and physical suitability. It’s proven to be a failsafe system to ensure identifying problems before they begin.
 
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Ridgerunner said:
As the article points out, there are much more dangerous guns these shooters can use. If you take away AR-15s, they’ll turn to them.

And nothing you have shown so far demonstrates your thesis that there is such a thing as a “white male machismo leading to mass shootings when guns are available”
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We already discussed what can be done to make guns less “attractive” to young men.

As for my thesis, you’ve got it all wrong. It’s not machismo that leads angry young men to shoot into crowds of innocent people. A young man with a well integrated sense of masculinity isn’t the problem. It’s a feeling of impotence and the need to exert power that provokes the desire to lash out at innocent people and guns like the AR-15 makes it easy to do that.

So one solution is to do a better job raising our sons and showing them what it really means to be a man. Unfortunately, you can’t legislate something like that - you can’t force someone to be a good dad. In the meantime, you have all these dangerous weapons out there and a gun culture that taps into the young male psyche just like pornography taps into their sexuality. If you allow those things to run rampant in society, its going to have negative consequences.
 
Lev said:
Because in Switzerland every male over 18 is required to do 3 years military training where they are taught responsible gun use and they are subject to assessment for mental and physical suitability. It’s proven to be a failsafe system to ensure identifying problems before they begin.
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I would go for that, but make it more like in Israel, where both young men and women receive military training. Just because women aren’t the problem doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get the benefit.
 
Peebo said:
It’s just a morally sick country that needs armed guards/teachers to protect innocent school children against its own citizens
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we are a morally sick country, we sacrifice 850,000 babies a year to the god of lust. yet you can’t talk abortion because it isn’t considered a serious crisis by the norms of society.

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Luke6_37 said:
This is why the AR-15 has got to go.
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so they take off the extras and sell a stock gun capable of doing the same thing.

they just did this in crazyfornia. the stripped down weapon is now legal and available for sale
Lev said:
The statistics have been cited over and over. More guns. More chance of gun violence. It isn’t rocket science.
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the other side has their science showing the opposite. which one is true?
Peebo said:
the 2nd amendment is the least of our real problems
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preach it @peebo
Luke6_37 said:
So one solution is to do a better job raising our sons and showing them what it really means to be a man.
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yup
 
It would never work. I don’t own a gun but I know that if you try remove them from private citizens this country would explode into violence and it would be the end of this country. I repeat from a realistic point of view that repealing the second amendment would be the end of this country. This isn’t Britain or Australia and people hold their right to own a firearm, seemingly, as sacred and perhaps they’re right, or not.
 
Lev said:
The statistical fact is that the majority of gun crime, gang gun crime, massacres… are almost solely confined to anti social males.
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We agree on this, with the possible exception that I’m not sure what you mean by “anti social”.
 
Luke6_37 said:
We already discussed what can be done to make guns less “attractive” to young men.

As for my thesis, you’ve got it all wrong. It’s not machismo that leads angry young men to shoot into crowds of innocent people. A young man with a well integrated sense of masculinity isn’t the problem. It’s a feeling of impotence and the need to exert power that provokes the desire to lash out at innocent people and guns like the AR-15 makes it easy to do that.

So one solution is to do a better job raising our sons and showing them what it really means to be a man. Unfortunately, you can’t legislate something like that - you can’t force someone to be a good dad. In the meantime, you have all these dangerous weapons out there and a gun culture that taps into the young male psyche just like pornography taps into their sexuality. If you allow those things to run rampant in society, its going to have negative consequences.
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Coloring guns pink is not going to do anything. That’s just stupid. If some nut case doesn’t like the pink he can just repaint the gun whatever color he likes better.

I still don’t see any evidence for your proposition about “impotence” being the motivator in mass shootings. Not saying you’re wrong, but so far that’s just your theory.
 
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Luke6_37:
We already discussed what can be done to make guns less “attractive” to young men.

As for my thesis, you’ve got it all wrong. It’s not machismo that leads angry young men to shoot into crowds of innocent people. A young man with a well integrated sense of masculinity isn’t the problem. It’s a feeling of impotence and the need to exert power that provokes the desire to lash out at innocent people and guns like the AR-15 makes it easy to do that.

So one solution is to do a better job raising our sons and showing them what it really means to be a man. Unfortunately, you can’t legislate something like that - you can’t force someone to be a good dad. In the meantime, you have all these dangerous weapons out there and a gun culture that taps into the young male psyche just like pornography taps into their sexuality. If you allow those things to run rampant in society, its going to have negative consequences.
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Coloring guns pink is not going to do anything. That’s just stupid. If some nut case doesn’t like the pink he can just repaint the gun whatever color he likes better.

I still don’t see any evidence for your proposition about “impotence” being the motivator in mass shootings. Not saying you’re wrong, but so far that’s just your theory.
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The gun has to stay pink or its illegal. Just like sawed off shotguns are illegal. The purpose is to undermine the “gun culture”, which glamorizes guns rather than treats them as tools. Young men are not going to post photos of themselves on Instagram holding a pink gun. It would look ridiculous.

Anthropology supports my theory.
 
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Lev said:
Not at all. In fact Hollywood predominantly portrays guns as weapons of war, weapons of law enforcement and the ugly side of criminal use. It is the illusion that your household gun is your hero and savior that makes them ‘idols’ of worship. Nevermind the fact that having a gun flooded country makes us 10 times less safe than gun restricted countries.
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Nope, our levels of violence has actually decreased as those guns have flooded the country. That’s called a negative correlation.
 
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Luke6_37:
The gun has to stay pink or its illegal
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if a person is going to use it to commit murder, you think he will worry over the legality of painting it?

talk about feel good laws.
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You comment proves my point.

Why do you think a person who wants to commit murder would bother to paint it at all?

A pink gun would do the job just as well as a black gun. The only reason why he would go to all the trouble of painting it black is because a pink gun undermines the “image” he is trying to create.
 
Luke6_37 said:
Why do you think a person who wants to commit murder would bother to paint it at all?
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he would paint it to hide it.

a pink gun would stick-out in a crowded environment. whereas a camo gun would blend in more. it is all about planning to maximize the time available for the task.
 
Luke6_37 said:
Anthropology supports my theory.
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No. Support it for real or don’t ask us to buy it.

And do you really think someone who is going to commit multiple murders is going to care about the penalty for painting a gun?
 
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Luke6_37:
Anthropology supports my theory.
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No. Support it for real or don’t ask us to buy it.

And do you really think someone who is going to commit multiple murders is going to care about the penalty for painting a gun?
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The color idea really seems to bother you, even though it is really no big deal at all.

I guess you don’t believe young men are visually motivated by sexy or macho advertisements promising them sex & power if they buy a certain product. That’s really odd. All those advertisers spending so much money for nothing.

The purpose of “pink” is to undermine the gun culture that leads young men to believe guns are macho & cool.
 
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