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I think you cannot possibly know the entire context of the argument where these comments were said from ONE post from ONE person involved.
The context of their argument is completely irrelevant.
When any parent threatens that a child will not receive much in the way of child support in the context of any marital argument, that behavior is a direct threat to the survival and well being of the child and is unacceptable. ANY statement made by ANY parent that threatens the CHILDREN in ANY WAY is unacceptable and may correctly be described as “psychopathic” in nature in that it constitutes aggression against the children, who are innocent.
 
Turns out SHE was drunk and SHE threw things and punched him. The only thing physical he did was push her onto the couch so that she would stop swinging at her.
She punches him: abusive
He punches her: abusive
She swears at him: abusive
He swears at her: abusive
She threatens to lock his puppy out in the snow if he leaves her: psychopathic (the puppy is an innocent bystander)
He threatens that the kids won’t get child support if she leaves him: psychopathic (the children are innocent bystanders)
Aggression or threats directed against the innocent bystanders constitutes behavior or threats that are *psychopathic * in nature.
 
When any parent threatens that a child will not receive much in the way of child support in the context of any marital argument, that behavior is a direct threat to the survival and well being of the child and is unacceptable. ANY statement made by ANY parent that threatens the CHILDREN in ANY WAY is unacceptable and may correctly be described as “psychopathic” in nature in that it constitutes aggression against the children, who are innocent.
But there is no reason to think that the husband did this. This is something that you are reading into the words of the OP.
 
She punches him: abusive
He punches her: abusive
She swears at him: abusive
He swears at her: abusive
She threatens to lock his puppy out in the snow if he leaves her: psychopathic (the puppy is an innocent bystander)
He threatens that the kids won’t get child support if she leaves him: psychopathic (the children are innocent bystanders)
Aggression or threats directed against the innocent bystanders constitutes behavior or threats that are *psychopathic * in nature.
The point Jea is making is that this guy may not be a pyschopath b/c we don’t know him and the OP could be giving us a different context in how it really happened…that the husband could have a completely different story.

This guy is most likely a jerk and that’s why I suggest to see a priest. If this woman needs help, she needs help from professionals. I don’t know the whole story, so I try to reserve judgement.
 
My point was only that “pyschopath”, like the word “Nazi”, has an specific meaning. I mean that we ought not throw such words around whenever we mean to say that somebody is Bad News.
I can’t imagine anyone arguing with this.
 
But there is no reason to think that the husband did this. This is something that you are reading into the words of the OP.
The OP said:
I feel desperate, I’ve told him various times that I can’t go on like this…he’s made threats on how if I leave I wouldn’t get much child support, or if I leave he’d keep it in court for 5 years.
I repeat:
When ANY parent threatens the children’s financial support in ANY way (even as a joke!), it is a threat to the CHILDREN.
When ANY parent threatens a 5 year court battle (even as a joke), it is a threat to the CHILDREN.
ANY threat to the CHILDREN (who are innocent bystanders) made by ANY parent at ANY time constitutes unacceptable and psychopathic behavior. It doesn’t matter what other behaviors anyone may or may not have engaged in, this specific behavior is unacceptable and may properly be identified as psychopathic. ANY threat to the children in ANY way (even as a joke!) constitutes psychopathic behavior. The children are innocent bystanders.
 
this specific behavior is unacceptable and may properly be identified as psychopathic.
You’re not a psychiatrist or a psychologist and this man isn’t your patient. Your unqualified to make a psychiatric diagnoses of this man over the internet.
ANY threat to the children in ANY way (even as a joke!) constitutes psychopathic behavior.
You’re not a psychiatrist or a psychologist and this man isn’t your patient. Your unqualified to make psychiatric diagnoses of this man over the internet.
 
You’re not a psychiatrist or a psychologist and this man isn’t your patient. Your unqualified to make a psychiatric diagnoses of this man over the internet.

You’re not a psychiatrist or a psychologist and this man isn’t your patient. Your unqualified to make psychiatric diagnoses of this man over the internet.
I tend to agree with you on this.

Anyman who refuses child support payments (in my town) is known as a “dead beat father”, not a pyschopath.
 
You’re not a psychiatrist or a psychologist and this man isn’t your patient. Your unqualified to make a psychiatric diagnoses of this man over the internet.
You’re not a psychiatrist or a psychologist and this man isn’t your patient. Your unqualified to make psychiatric diagnoses of this man over the internet.
Identifying any threat made to the financial support and well being of innocent bystander children as *unacceptable and psychopathic in nature *is NOT a psychiatric diagnosis of anyone. An unacceptable behavior is NOT a human being.
 
Identifying any threat made to the financial support and well being of innocent bystander children as *unacceptable and psychopathic in nature *is NOT a psychiatric diagnosis of anyone. An unacceptable behavior is NOT a human being.
Regarding your earlier post, your unqualified to make such a determination over the internet.
 
Identifying any threat made to the financial support and well being of innocent bystander children as *unacceptable and psychopathic in nature *is NOT a psychiatric diagnosis of anyone. An unacceptable behavior is NOT a human being.
So I guess our correct response to the original poster would be to say: “We need to hear your husband’s side first, before we can tell you if he is treating you right or wrong. Maybe the fridge really did need cleaning, so what the heck were you comforting a sick baby for all hours of the night for days on end for?!”

She listed several things, not just one, that are happening in her marriage and ASKED FOR ADVICE and probably some support. So people gave it. Most of us have said it is unacceptable behavior if he is indeed saying those things, because it is unacceptable. Many here suggested counselling and to talk to her priest as well.
 
So I guess our correct response to the original poster would be to say: “We need to hear your husband’s side first, before we can tell you if he is treating you right or wrong. Maybe the fridge really did need cleaning, so what the heck were you comforting a sick baby for all hours of the night for days on end for?!”

She listed several things, not just one, that are happening in her marriage and ASKED FOR ADVICE and probably some support. So people gave it. Most of us have said it is unacceptable behavior if he is indeed saying those things, because it is unacceptable. Many here suggested counselling and to talk to her priest as well.
She should seek the assistance of a professional counselor and make an appointment with a Doctor.

People who give specific advice over the internet, although well intentioned, are giving advice without having a true understanding as to what is actually going on.
 
She should seek the assistance of a professional counselor and make an appointment with a Doctor.
People who give specific advice over the internet, although well intentioned, are giving advice without having a true understanding as to what is actually going on.
Please identify what specific advice was given that you regard as unacceptable.
 
She should seek the assistance of a professional counselor and make an appointment with a Doctor.
People who give specific advice over the internet, although well intentioned, are giving advice without having a true understanding as to what is actually going on.
No priest, professional couselor, and certainly no doctor (MD?), “although well intentioned,” are going to have any “true understanding as to what is actually going on” whatsoever until they have observed both parties and their children all individually and as a married couple and as an interactive family dynamic for about a year.

The woman came here looking for the opinions and experience of other people regarding certain behaviors she described. She is deserving of consideration and respect. Do you feel that she is somehow too ignorant and too incompetent to be able to evaluate and accept or dismiss the opinions and experiences of others as she sees fit and so must be denied what opinions and experiences others may offer her? Do you feel that she is somehow too ignorant and too incompetent to be able to seek out professional assistance as she sees fit and so must be repeatedly instructed by others to do so? She is within her rights to ask for the opinions and experiences of others. She is capable of judging and dismissing those opinions and experiences for herself and likewise sorting out and evaluating her husband’s behavior as she sees fit. She is deserving of consideration and respect and whatever support people may offer her.
 
No priest, professional couselor, and certainly no doctor (MD?), “although well intentioned,” are going to have any “true understanding as to what is actually going on” whatsoever until they have observed both parties and their children all individually and as a married couple and as an interactive family dynamic for about a year.

The woman came here looking for the opinions and experience of other people regarding certain behaviors she described. She is deserving of consideration and respect. Do you feel that she is somehow too ignorant and too incompetent to be able to evaluate and accept or dismiss the opinions and experiences of others as she sees fit and so must be denied what opinions and experiences others may offer her? Do you feel that she is somehow too ignorant and too incompetent to be able to seek out professional assistance as she sees fit and so must be repeatedly instructed by others to do so? She is within her rights to ask for the opinions and experiences of others. She is capable of judging and dismissing those opinions and experiences for herself and likewise sorting out and evaluating her husband’s behavior as she sees fit. She is deserving of consideration and respect and whatever support people may offer her.
You are making a lot of assumptions here. How do you know how she will not accept other people’s opinions as fact? How do you know she’s rational? We don’t know. She’s a complete stranger.
 
You are making a lot of assumptions here. How do you know how she will not accept other people’s opinions as fact? How do you know she’s rational? We don’t know. She’s a complete stranger.
You are obligated to treat any complete stranger as a competent adult and with due * consideration and respect*makes any request for opinions and advice from people she is fully entitled to receive opinions and advice from people and use and evaluate or disregard those opinions and that advice however she might wish.
Challenging her ability to distinguish opinion from fact, her ability to be rational, the circumstances of her marital disputes with her husband, and her right to ask for and receive opinions and advice from whomever she chooses (irregardless of their professional or non-professional status), is rude, demeaning, condescending, and not anyone else’s personal business nor concern but her own.
 
Please identify what specific advice was given that you regard as unacceptable.
Try this inappropriate advice for a minute. Thinking it will certainly make you laugh, I hope.

If what you say is true, and there is no reason to doubt it, you are in deep trouble. This kind of behavior is absolutely unacceptable. I have a few pieces of advice. First, go to a restaurant store nearby. Look for the biggest frying pan you can find and smash it across his head. That’ll knock some sense into him. I’m a guy, in case you haven’t figure it out yet. I smashed a chair into my father once for abusing my grandmother. It stopped him. He was 6’4" compared to my 5’10". He outweighed me by almost a 100 lbs. I finally got tired of his abuse. I was 23 years old at the time. He punched me in the chest for the first time. But it was not the physical abuse but rather the emotional abuse all my life that made me break. Shortly after I joined the Army to prove to him I was a better man than him. I approach my marriage with the same thing in mind, Ephesians 5. I sacrifice for my wife. She is the weaker vessel but is such a wonderful person I don’t know what I’d do without her. At least I’m smart enough to know that. It sounds like your hubby needs to learn this lesson.

This, in guy terms, is a sign of a man who doesn’t have any … well lets say part of the lower extremities. He is not stepping up to the plate as a real man. Introduce him to Ephesians Chapter 5 and make him read it to you several times. Find a plaque and post it in the most prominent place in the home. In fact, read it to your children regularly. If you have any boys this passage alone will make them think twice about treating women poorly. Stand up for yourself. NEVER allow him to act like this to you, especially in front of your children.

Consult with your pastor immediately about the abuse and let him know what’s happening in the home. Start protecting yourself financially and legally. You have to stand up for yourself. If you don’t you’ll lose respect from your children, who you should be protecting from this abuse. Put it in those terms if you must. I would also consider getting into counseling ASAP. Never listen to idiots that try to steer you away from seeking help either. It’s more important to make sure you get the emotional support you need. But if you think you may need help for depression, make sure you get help and if necessary medication.

There is no difference in taking medicine for depression as it is for diabetes. My wife takes it and it calms her down. I see a major difference. But it doesn’t make her clean more. Like me, if he wants a perfectly clean house then get off his lazy duff and clean.

My aunt finally divorced her emotionally abusive husband, my uncle, who was known for extramarital affairs. I caught him once many years ago. If I said his name people would know exactly who I’m talking about. He was a very well known public figure. My aunt is now an emotional wreck. And so are her children, young adults now. They’ve all left the Church and are practicing Methodists I believe. PLEASE, take care of yourself. Do NOT allow him to walk on you like a door mat. Some men, though pretty sorry, can’t stand to see women cow down to them. I’d suggest “manning” up to him and making him bow down in respect. But I’m a guy. There is no excuse for this behavior.

I think the saying shape up or ship out is in order. It’s time to begin establishing healthy boundaries, dear. You may need some counseling no matter what you decide to do and how he reacts to your new found confidence. And you should demand his respect. You owe it to your children if you have difficulty thinking of yourself. .

I will be praying for you.
 
Try this inappropriate advice for a minute…
…And you should demand his respect. You owe it to your children if you have difficulty thinking of yourself.
Although I am not one to condone the barbarian horde violence method as the instructional method of choice, your concern for the children involved is a point very well taken. Children are deeply affected, deeply frightened, and deeply scarred by what they see and hear going on between their parents. Children are innocent bystanders in marital disputes whose well being is of primary concern, and any threats against the support and well being of the children on the part of either parent qualifies as behavior that is legitimately psychopathic in nature.
 
**She should seek the assistance of a professional counselor and make an appointment with a Doctor.
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People who give specific advice over the internet, although well intentioned, are giving advice without having a true understanding as to what is actually going on.
Yes, and isn’t that what people here have been saying?
 
This thread makes me sick. When we have a poor woman, who has been clearly abused, and disheartened and disoriented as a consequence, coming to this forum, can’t we find it in ourselves to stay on topic?? I am deeply disgusted by the bickering, the hijacking of the thread, and how it was diverted into some sort of philosophical discussion about whether it is ever possible to give any useful advice over the internet. We are almost at post #100, and more than half of the discussion deals in hypotheticals and this senseless bickering, that will not help our OP, Mommie, in any way. I am going to report this thread to the moderators, and ask them to take a look at it.

Our OP has been scolded for not cleaning the damn fridge, at the same time when she has been in “zombie mode” for days and days, caring for the couple’s seriously ill child, and she didn’t have a good night’s sleep for more than three days in a row! What kind of husband is that, why can’t he get off his butt and clean the fridge, if it so bothers him? And when his wife complains that she can’t go on like this anymore, her husband threatens her, “If you leave me, you will not get a lot of child support, and I will keep it in court for five years!”.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out, this woman is being abused, and she is disheartened, possibly depressed, to the point where she can’t see clearly that she needs to take steps to stop the abuse, and protect herself. She needs to reach out for help, which will obviously include her priest, a marriage therapist, and medical professional (because she seems depressed, and may need therapy and medication for depression), but for God’s sake, she started looking for help HERE, on this forum, so why can’t we be kind and caring enough to her, not to hijack her thread?

Can we PLEASE stay on topic, and try to comfort, encourage, and enpower the OP to do something about her dire situation, rather then bickering about how her presentation of the situation could be one-sided, and how we never heard the husband’s side to the story?
 
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