Is Tridentine Mass Episcopal or Roman Catholic?

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Joe_Kelley said:
As I recall she got her 15 minutes of fame when she explained to Pope JPII how he should run the Church during his visit to the US years ago.
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That certainly added to her celebrity among the dissident community. She still writes a weekly article for the *National Catholic Reporter *and appears regularly in the national media as a “Catholic Expert.” Sadly, the easiest way to become a media darling or “Catholic Expert” seems to be to jab at your own church.
http://www.benetvision.org/src/picbv/joannew2005.jpg

Very recently, when traveling to New Zealand to aggitate for her sad causes, the local ordinary sent out a letter to the priests of his diocese. She did not ask permission to come, she was not invited, her rhetoric was not welcome. She was not to be granted any use of Church facilities, and the priests were NOT to promote her visit. (See: New Zealand Bishop Speaks Out Against Visit of Pro-Abortion Nun - lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jul/07070302.html)

IMO, if she had any integrity, whatsoever, she would simply sever her ties to the Catholic Church and go be ordained by the Episcopalians. It only seems fair - all the good priests (and a couple of bishops) we got from them, might as well give them something in return. Question is, would they even have her?

But any such move would cut her off from her bread and butter. If she just finally cut her institutional ties, it would be harder to get on TV, and travel the country addressing fellow dissidents who snatch up her books like quicker than you can snap your fingers.
 
KathleenElsie said:
We just have to remember that the Papal approval is for the Catholic Charismatic movement. I have not head of the same types of abuses in these services as I have in the Evangelical Holly Roller type charismatic services.
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Yes, but in a Catholic forum, why should we even discuss Evangelical Holly Roller type services, charismatic or not?
KathleenElsie said:
And yes I do agree if it is taking place in a Catholic Church that is in communion with Rome it you can drink it. But, you might not want to LOL.
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I don’t think those who drink it would consider it a matter of “wanting to,” they would say it’s a matterr of being moved by the Holy Spirit.
 
ASimpleSinner said:
Problematic to me is that this interpretation gives a “Free reign trial period” to way too much. How many folks get lost along the way as people are told “well let’s see where this goes”?

Very sadly, in the Catholic Church we have already given 4 decades to watch this: http://www.nyu.edu/library/bobst/research/arch/images/village_07big.jpg

devolve into this:

http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/obedienceandaction/images/chittister-wow.jpg

Additionally, 4 decades in the life of the Church is a blink of an eye.

That to me is happy news. Go with prayers in your heart, and when you move forward for a blessing first pray for me and then ask “Lord, what on earth is that sinner talking about?”

See where it goes from there.
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Simple Sinner,

You have beat that horse to death! What’s wrong with you? Are you sick?

Richard
 
 
Hi all,

I found this thread via a search for Benetvision, Sr. Joan’s web site. I got this info from a pamphlet that “appeared” (i.e. it was apparently planted there) on a pedastal that was next to the table of our monthly discussion group. The pastoral assoc. at this parish (which is joined with my parish) is an advocate of Sr. JC.
So I figured, I know what SJC is about, I’ll read this and see if there’s anything really weird in it. No worry – it’s pablum, no scriptural references; it was about The Monastic Way and food. Actually, it read more like a chef wrote it as an intro to a cookbook. Also on the front is a quote from (the Pope, Jesus, Mother Theresa, a Saint, maybe?) - no – Luciano Pavarotti, the opera tenor!! There were a couple quotes that were interesting; one was from a Chinese philosopher, another from a Chinese poet. That’s Joan! :o Search my posts, you can find one I wrote “Chittester video being shown at my parish” or something like that.

Anywhoo … I’m gonna move this post over to a new thread and include a link to an article about what they thought of her in New Zealand.

I also wrote a post about my experience in the Charismatic Renewal. I’m not in it anymore. Might be interesting to see what people are doing nowadays, though.

God bless,
Mimi
 
Holy_Roller said:
Simple Sinner,

You have beat that horse to death! What’s wrong with you? Are you sick?

Richard
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I beg your pardon?

This meandering thread had taken a turn in a discussion where I was making a point.

Before asking me what is wrong with me or if I am sick, think twice. I have made no such attacks or inferences about you and your character or state of mind.

How was Mass?
 
ASimpleSinner said:
I beg your pardon?

This meandering thread had taken a turn in a discussion where I was making a point.

Before asking me what is wrong with me or if I am sick, think twice. I have made no such attacks or inferences about you and your character or state of mind.

How was Mass?
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I don’t think it’s healthy! Please, when you write your manifesto don’t tell them that I was the one who made you do it. Okay!

Now, move on!

Richard
 
Mimi said:
Hi all,

I found this thread via a search for Benetvision, Sr. Joan’s web site. I got this info from a pamphlet that “appeared” (i.e. it was apparently planted there) on a pedastal that was next to the table of our monthly discussion group. The pastoral assoc. at this parish (which is joined with my parish) is an advocate of Sr. JC.
So I figured, I know what SJC is about, I’ll read this and see if there’s anything really weird in it. No worry – it’s pablum, no scriptural references; it was about The Monastic Way and food. Actually, it read more like a chef wrote it as an intro to a cookbook. Also on the front is a quote from (the Pope, Jesus, Mother Theresa, a Saint, maybe?) - no – Luciano Pavarotti, the opera tenor!! There were a couple quotes that were interesting; one was from a Chinese philosopher, another from a Chinese poet. That’s Joan! :o Search my posts, you can find one I wrote “Chittester video being shown at my parish” or something like that.

Anywhoo … I’m gonna move this post over to a new thread and include a link to an article about what they thought of her in New Zealand.

I also wrote a post about my experience in the Charismatic Renewal. I’m not in it anymore. Might be interesting to see what people are doing nowadays, though.

God bless,
Mimi
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I’m interest in your experiences with Charismatic Renewal, but you didn’t post a link for us.

Richard
 
ASimpleSinner said:
ad hominem and telling.
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You are not supposed to be doing that, and you know it! The next step is to nail those pictures to a tree for target practice, then the manifesto, then shoot up a church, then the headlines on network news.

The Christian faith is not monolithic. It’s not cut and dried where everyone believes the same thing. We are called differently: (Eph. 4:11,12) I can understand your fear about the authenticity of the Charismatic Renewal. Many elements are practiced by the Protestants, which of course, you seem to hate with a passion. Some Protestants, like my self, share the Sacraments with you, at least in outward form. Are you to reject these things because Protestants share them? Hardly! We are to rejoice because we have so much in common in Christ. We are after all, brothers and sisters in Christ, even if we disagree about a few things that are theological in nature.

Don’t bother to quote church documents on issues, but suffice it to say that we are to rejoice in the common element, we have in Christ. The fact that we don’t share everything is a source of prayer for an ultimate reconciliation in Christ as we join in His prayer, “may they all be one.”

Richard
 
Holy_Roller said:
The Christian faith is not monolithic.
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Actually, it is, you know. There is only one Christ, and only one Truth.
Holy_Roller said:
It’s not cut and dried where everyone believes the same thing.
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Some, indeed have fallen away, but the Truth is cut and dried.
Holy_Roller said:
We are called differently: (Eph. 4:11,12)
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And he gave some as apostles, others as prophets, others as evangelists, others as pastors and teachers. To equip the holy ones for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ.
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Not for tearing it down, splintering it, and breaking up.
 
Holy_Roller said:
Okay, I’m not used to seeing a biretta hat. On the front page of the church bulletin it says, “Father Stanislaw Zak Pastor, Rev. Michael Wiener, Episcopal Delegate for the Latin Rite of 1962 Indult in the Diocese of Oakland and Larysz Rutkowska, Administrative Assistant” The biretta hat and Episcopal minister listed had me wondering what church I was in?

Anyway, like I said in my first post, it was a beautiful church service. The church wasn’t crowded, but considering that it was Thursday evening, there were a lot more people than I had expected. More worshiper than the church expected too, because we ran out of 1962 Missals. The worshipers were extremely silent, and there were no children or families. Everyone seemed to be alone. It was apparent that everyone present was devout, except for me of course, with my arm crossed across my chest.

I will be at St. Margaret Mary Church in Oakland during at least one week day 6 PM Mass per week, if anyone wants to fellowship after the service?

Richard
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Episcopal comes from the Greek Episkopos which simply means church. The Catholic Church is episcopal in its administration as it is headed by a college of bishops. The same goes for the Episcopal Church USA, a specific denomination. The Diocese of Oakland is of course a Catholic diocese.
 
Holy_Roller said:
You are not supposed to be doing that, and you know it! The next step is to nail those pictures to a tree for target practice, then the manifesto, then shoot up a church, then the headlines on network news.
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If this odd sort of left-handed reproachment - painting me as an extremist and invoking una-bomber like images with terms like “manifesto” and target shooting as well as asking if I am “sick” and what is wrong with me is your idea of how to take the moral high ground… *Well You are not supposed to be doing that, and you know it! *

Where I have disagreed with you, I have made attempt to offer reason as to why, and am happy to clafify my meanings and discussit more or answer questions you may present. If you have taken any of my points, counter-points or reflections as an attack, apologies are offered, and forgiveness is begged.

If we have to agree to disagree, so be it. Don’t attack my character or my mental stability.
 
Semper_Fi said:
Episcopal comes from the Greek Episkopos which simply means church. The Catholic Church is episcopal in its administration as it is headed by a college of bishops. The same goes for the Episcopal Church USA, a specific denomination. The Diocese of Oakland is of course a Catholic diocese.
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“Episkopos” means “supervisor.” the Apostles established a three tier hierarchy of supervisors (episcopos or bishops), elders (presbyters or priests) and assistants (deacons.)
 
Semper_Fi said:
Episcopal comes from the Greek Episkopos which simply means church. The Catholic Church is episcopal in its administration as it is headed by a college of bishops. The same goes for the Episcopal Church USA, a specific denomination. The Diocese of Oakland is of course a Catholic diocese.
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Thanks for bringing this thread back on track. A person asks a simple question on this so called, “answers forum”, and a bunch [edited by Moderator] jump in with unrelated hate messages. It scares me!

Richard
 
Holy_Roller said:
Thanks for bringing this thread back on track. A person asks a simple question on this so called, “answers forum”, and a bunch of weirdos jump in with unrelated hate messages. It scares me!

Richard
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It scares me that with each post, the personal attacks grow nastier.

First deragatory insinuations about character and mental stability, and now we have now crossed the threshhold of name calling with “wierdos.”

I should hope it does not get worse still.
 
ASimpleSinner said:
It scares me that with each post, the personal attacks grow nastier.

First deragatory insinuations about character and mental stability, and now we have now crossed the threshhold of name calling with “wierdos.”

I should hope it does not get worse still.
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It is my thread and my question. (You are way off topic). If I appear a little disgruntled with your unrelated wise cracks, you are absolutely correct. I would appreciate you stop using me and this thread for your political agenda.

Richard
 
Holy_Roller said:
It is my thread and my question. (You are way off topic). If I appear a little disgruntled with your unrelated wise cracks, you are absolutely correct. I would appreciate you stop using me and this thread for your political agenda.

Richard
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IMHO no one person owns a thread. One person starts it but no one owns it.

An arguement takes two to continue. Remember this is a public Catholic Forum. Again mjy OPINION ONLY.
 
KathleenElsie said:
IMHO no one person owns a thread. One person starts it but no one owns it.

An arguement takes two to continue. Remember this is a public Catholic Forum. Again my OPINION ONLY.
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Amen, I started a thread on the 318 Church Fathers once and was surprised at how far astray it meandered.:bigyikes: 🤓 :whacky: :love: :bounce: :extrahappy: :crying:
 
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