Is Tridentine Mass Episcopal or Roman Catholic?

[Contarini]

That’s okay by me. I have never heard a Protestant complain about the Orthodox Christians. The friction seems to be with the Roman Catholics? What surprised me is that the new Pope recently posted a decree accepting what the Protestants believe and welcoming them back to attend Mass and to fellowship with laypeople. The only stipulation that I know of, was that we are not to have communion.

Where could I find this “decree”?

You will excuse me for being skeptical, since the last thing Pope Benedict was in the news for allegedly saying was that Protestants were not Christians and were going to hell (I have read that document and of course it says nothing of the kind). I do not trust any second-hand claim about what Pope Benedict has said!

Edwin

 

[Holy_Roller]

Where could I find this “decree”?

You will excuse me for being skeptical, since the last thing Pope Benedict was in the news for allegedly saying was that Protestants were not Christians and were going to hell (I have read that document and of course it says nothing of the kind). I do not trust any second-hand claim about what Pope Benedict has said!

Edwin

I am not a member of a parish, so I don’t get Catholic mail. Everything I get from the Catholics is from the news network or internet. Protestants are not legalists, so the Bible is my only reference book. Up until now, the Catholics who I communicate with have been extremely protective, and they are not willing to share any decree information from the Pope.

The Burning Bush Charismatic Prayer group that I have been in and out of for the past 40 years has a letter in their flyer form the Vatican commending their 40th anniversary, and this forum has the Summorum Pontificum posted above. Other than that, I am completely starved for information.

Richard

 

[Holy_Roller]

Where could I find this “decree”?

You will excuse me for being skeptical, since the last thing Pope Benedict was in the news for allegedly saying was that Protestants were not Christians and were going to hell (I have read that document and of course it says nothing of the kind). I do not trust any second-hand claim about what Pope Benedict has said!

Edwin

I just remembered something. The best clue for finding that letter or decree is the term,” with reservations”. Everything stated was with reservations, and I have had people here on this forum remind me that my return was, “with reservations”. So, the information is not unknown around here. I think that it’s important for Protestants.

Richard

 

[Dauphin]

I am not a member of a parish, so I don’t get Catholic mail. Everything I get from the Catholics is from the news network or internet. Protestants are not legalists, so the Bible is my only reference book. Up until now, the Catholics who I communicate with have been extremely protective, and they are not willing to share any decree information from the Pope.

The Burning Bush Charismatic Prayer group that I have been in and out of for the past 40 years has a letter in their flyer form the Vatican commending their 40th anniversary, and this forum has the Summorum Pontificum posted above. Other than that, I am completely starved for information.

Richard

You really think the Church is hiding this information??

Go to www.vatican.va. If the document isn’t there, it doesn’t exist.

 

[Dauphin]

One thing is for sure, I don’t have to repent for being a Protestant under the Pope Benedict’s decree. We have been accepted for who we are. Praise God!

Nonsense. The Catholic church views protestants as heretics. This has never changed. You have been accepted “for who you are”, true - a part of the body of Christ. As such, you have a responsibility to come to the fullness of truth in the Catholic Church. The Pope would never issue a decree saying that protestants don’t have to repent.

 

[DustinsDad]

I am not a member of a parish, so I don’t get Catholic mail. Everything I get from the Catholics is from the news network or internet. Protestants are not legalists, so the Bible is my only reference book. Up until now, the Catholics who I communicate with have been extremely protective, and they are not willing to share any decree information from the Pope.

I’ll share 'em with you…here is everything from Pope Benedict XVI since his pontificat:

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/index.htm

Your mysterious “decree” must be in there somewhere.

Peace in Christ,
DustinsDad

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Nonsense. The Catholic church views protestants as heretics. This has never changed. You have been accepted “for who you are”, true - a part of the body of Christ. As such, you have a responsibility to come to the fullness of truth in the Catholic Church. The Pope would never issue a decree saying that protestants don’t have to repent.

Easy DD!

More accurate to say “The Catholic church views protestantism as heresy.”

 

[dessert]

Pray for the Catholic/Orthodox Church in Central and South America. :bowdown2: :byzsoc:

Ok I will :hug3:

 

[Dauphin]

Easy DD!

More accurate to say “The Catholic church views protestantism as heresy.”

“… and those who subscribe to it as heretics.” Right?

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Those statistics are utterly useless.

During this thread you were able to politically manipulate my simple question into 155 posts with 1,845 views. From a political stand point, you have been a real success as a trouble maker.

Here we have an yet another really sad ad hominem attack and attribution of intent.

Ok, so maybe growing up here in the heartland with us Eastern Euro Catholics really left you wondering if the Tridentine Mass you attended was Catholic. You know enough to come on the CAF into the Traditional Catholic Forum and ask with the thread title “Is Tridentine Mass Episcopal or Roman Catholic?”

You think that would not be looked at? Don’t lay this at my feet or accuse me of any alterior motives or bother to call me yet another name before ending with comment about

Don’t bother to quote church documents on issues, but suffice it to say that we are to rejoice in the common element, we have in Christ.

If I am a “weirdo trouble maker” are you a provocateur?

Neverminding the odd assertation

Then there is the simple Gamaliel principle that you can’t get a handle on

I get a handle on it. I fully disagree. Being that Catholics don’t subscribe to the “once saved always saved” principle, we don’t have this same libertly of experimentation to “see where this goes”.

I just remembered something. The best clue for finding that letter or decree is the term,” with reservations”. Everything stated was with reservations, and I have had people here on this forum remind me that my return was, “with reservations”. So, the information is not unknown around here. I think that it’s important for Protestants.

Richard

Problematic is the idea that we don’t know what document you are talking about.

We don’t hide these things. Folks wanting to read just about anything the pope says - in at least half a dozen languages - can go to www.vatican.va

So when you say

Up until now, the Catholics who I communicate with have been extremely protective, and they are not willing to share any decree information from the Pope.

I just have to scratch my head. I still don’t know what you mean by “we were recently invited to return”. You were always welcome to return. You and the missus are one good confession away from joining that very parish.

What surprised me is that the new Pope recently posted a decree accepting what the Protestants believe and welcoming them back to attend Mass and to fellowship with laypeople. The only stipulation that I know of, was that we are not to have communion.
… One thing is for sure, I don’t have to repent for being a Protestant under the Pope Benedict’s decree. We have been accepted for who we are.

The sooner you find “this decree” the sooner we can explain it.

NO, the Pope of Rome did not recently decree “it’s all good, that is just as right, whatever…” And as an ex-Catholic, we still teach you need to come back to the fullness of the faith. What you have outside the Catholic church may be good. It is not all there though.

So come on home. If you don’t like me, that is fine. Don’t lay it at my feet or say “because of Catholics like you…” Simple sinner that I am, I am bound to rub a few the wrong way.

Learn the fullness of the Catholic faith from Catholic sources. If you can go to a Tridentine Mass and log on here, you can read the Catholic Answers info at www.Catholic.com. You can buy a catechism. You can learn. No more second hand news.

 

[dessert]

That’s okay by me. I have never heard a Protestant complain about the Orthodox Christians. The friction seems to be with the Roman Catholics? What surprised me is that the new Pope recently posted a decree accepting what the Protestants believe and welcoming them back to attend Mass and to fellowship with laypeople. The only stipulation that I know of, was that we are not to have communion.

Based on some of the posts here on this forum, Pope Benedict must have his head in the clouds, because many to the Catholic laypeople have yet to be conditioned by their own parish to accept these Protestant invaders. So far, no one who I have spoken to even knows about the recent decree, and most still cling onto the old arguments from Medieval times.

I’m not all the fired up about the Charismatic Renewal either, because it’s a thorn in the side of many Catholics, as well as many Protestants. Why the Lord lead me down this path and others down a different path is unknown to me? One thing is for sure, I don’t have to repent for being a Protestant under the Pope Benedict’s decree. We have been accepted for who we are. Praise God!

Richard

Protestants including many faiths that believe in the trinity baptism
are according to the RCC as seperated brethern.
Correct me if I am wrong.
We call this not being in the fullness .

 

[dessert]

Those statistics are utterly useless.

Here we have an yet another really sad ad hominem attack and attribution of intent.

Ok, so maybe growing up here in the heartland with us Eastern Euro Catholics really left you wondering if the Tridentine Mass you attended was Catholic. You know enough to come on the CAF into the Traditional Catholic Forum and ask with the thread title “Is Tridentine Mass Episcopal or Roman Catholic?”

You think that would not be looked at? Don’t lay this at my feet or accuse me of any alterior motives or bother to call me yet another name before ending with comment about

If I am a “weirdo trouble maker” are you a provocateur?

Neverminding the odd assertation

I get a handle on it. I fully disagree. Being that Catholics don’t subscribe to the “once saved always saved” principle, we don’t have this same libertly of experimentation to “see where this goes”.

Problematic is the idea that we don’t know what document you are talking about.

We don’t hide these things. Folks wanting to read just about anything the pope says - in at least half a dozen languages - can go to www.vatican.va

So when you say

I just have to scratch my head. I still don’t know what you mean by “we were recently invited to return”. You were always welcome to return. You and the missus are one good confession away from joining that very parish.

The sooner you find “this decree” the sooner we can explain it.

NO, the Pope of Rome did not recently decree “it’s all good, that is just as right, whatever…” And as an ex-Catholic, we still teach you need to come back to the fullness of the faith. What you have outside the Catholic church may be good. It is not all there though.

So come on home. If you don’t like me, that is fine. Don’t lay it at my feet or say “because of Catholics like you…” Simple sinner that I am, I am bound to rub a few the wrong way.

Learn the fullness of the Catholic faith from Catholic sources. If you can go to a Tridentine Mass and log on here, you can read the Catholic Answers info at www.Catholic.com. You can buy a catechism. You can learn. No more second hand news.

SS he doesn’t know because he is only going by what he has heard from others, it is his first day back give him a break.
He is just coming out with some honest questions not knowing who to believe.
Why did this whole thing get changed to entertainship?

 

[dessert]

SS your love and patience and teaching ability sure comes across like a lead balloon You need to go to the CCC and read about charity.
Dessert

 

[ASimpleSinner]

SS your love and patience and teaching ability sure comes across like a lead balloon You need to go to the CCC and read about charity.
Dessert

It just isn’t the first day back Dessert. Had you read more, you would have seen.

Read through the entirety of our correspondance across multiple threads before you judge me.

If you want to discuss it further, feel free to private message me.

 

[Holy_Roller]

Problematic to me is that this interpretation gives a “Free reign trial period” to way too much. How many folks get lost along the way as people are told “well let’s see where this goes”?

Very sadly, in the Catholic Church we have already given 4 decades to watch this: http://www.nyu.edu/library/bobst/research/arch/images/village_07big.jpg

devolve into this:

http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/obedienceandaction/images/chittister-wow.jpg

Additionally, 4 decades in the life of the Church is a blink of an eye.

That to me is happy news. Go with prayers in your heart, and when you move forward for a blessing first pray for me and then ask “Lord, what on earth is that sinner talking about?”

See where it goes from there.

Hey Simple,

This posts had me worried about you being on the verge of blowing up a Charismatic church, or something. I’m sorry, but I don’t think it’s healthy, and I pray that when you freak-out like that, you will know when to stop.

The sad part is that you are still way too proud to talk to a priest or counselor about your problem. I am not a minister, but the training that I had before I volunteered as assistant chaplain at VA Hospital, taught me to watch for unstable people and report them. I see many danger signs in your messages that are posted here on the forum. I will point them out if you like? Please, stop being proud, and go tell a priest that you hate Protestants so bad that you are ready to kill someone. He will direct you to a well trained counselor who will help enjoy the fullness of Christian life. Only Jesus can heal you.

Richard

 

[dessert]

Pride can keep us away from much of God’s blessings, Holy Roller.
Dessert

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Hey Simple,

This posts had me worried about you being on the verge of blowing up a Charismatic church, or something. I’m sorry, but I don’t think it’s healthy, and I pray that when you freak-out like that, you will know when to stop.

The sad part is that you are still way too proud to talk to a priest or counselor about your problem. I am not a minister, but the training that I had before I volunteered as assistant chaplain at VA Hospital, taught me to watch for unstable people and report them. I see many danger signs in your messages that are posted here on the forum. I will point them out if you like? Please, stop being proud, and go tell a priest that you hate Protestants so bad that you are ready to kill someone. He will direct you to a well trained counselor who will help enjoy the fullness of Christian life. Only Jesus can heal you.

Richard

Utterly smug pedantic nonsense.

You have charactarized me as a:

wierdo,
trouble maker,
“manifesto writer”
someone who wants to bomb churches
someone who wants to kill Protestants.

That is grave libel.

Yes Jesus can heal. Certainly those that woul engage in such aspersions against their brother baptized in disagreement might do very well to ask for some of that healing as well.

 

[AveVerumCorpus]

I just returned from attending beautiful Traditional Latin Mass, but I’m not sure whether it was an Episcopal or a Roman Catholic service. Today’s Thursday evening 6:00 PM service was listed as the Vigil of St. Lawrence (Comm. St. Romanus) Mass. The priest wore a funny looking black hat on the way in and then took it off. He put the hat back on just before he left the alter. Here is the link for the church:

stmargmaryoak.org/

Your help identifying whether it was Episcopal or Roman Catholic will be greatly appreciated, because I’m not sure what denomination?

Anyway, the church pictures at the Internet site look washed out compared to being there. The carpeting is bright Red, there is indirect lighting behind the alter, there were colorful statues, and the sun on the stained glass windows during the 6:00 PM Mass was a sight to be hold. If there are any questions, I will be glad to answer them.

As a Protestant I knelt up at the alter and put my hands under the table cloth like the others. When the priest came by with the wafers I crossed my arms across my chest, and he blessed me in Latin.

Richard

Enjoy this link from a local Episcopal parish in Hollywood, CA- where I have enjoyed many a TLM.

www.saintthomashollywood.org

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Enjoy this link from a local Episcopal parish in Hollywood, CA- where I have enjoyed many a TLM.

www.saintthomashollywood.org

Ahh the Anglican Missal!

 

[Holy_Roller]

Enjoy this link from a local Episcopal parish in Hollywood, CA- where I have enjoyed many a TLM.

www.saintthomashollywood.org

Thanks for the link. I was blessed. Just wondering if those chants mentioned below are Gregorian Chants? I’m having such bad luck with some Catholics around here, that I may start looking for another church with Gregorian Chants.

“Consider the Vigil Mass if you are unable to attend Mass on Sunday. Attendance at this Mass fulfills your Sunday obligation; the lections are the same as those on Sunday. The Parish Schola will chant the Propers of this Mass”

Also, I noticed that Mass is an obligation similar to the Catholics. Is that correct?

Richard