Is Voting for Trump Endorsing Racism?

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OK, yes Trump did reject the KKK’s endorsement. That’s one.
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Notably, the president rejected Duke’s support back in 2016. In interviews on MSNBC’s Morning Joe and ABC’s Good Morning America , Trump said the white supremacist was a “bad person who I disavowed on numerous occasions over the years,” according to PolitiFact.
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In 2016, the Trump campaign rejected the positive words from The Crusader [“prominent KKK newspaper”] “This publication is repulsive and their views do not represent the tens of millions of Americans who are uniting behind our campaign,” a spokesperson said.
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Above from MSN factcheck article
Just last week I exposed this falsehood, yet again,… these Charlottesville statements leave little room for interpretation. For any honest person, therefore, to conclude that the president somehow praised the very people he actually derided, reveals a blatant and blinding level of bias.
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[Trump said] "Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name…
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"I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”
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From RealClearPolitics

In short, in the same way that we differentiate between protesters and violent rioters when it comes to the BLM protests after the killing of George Floyd, so Trump differentiated between peaceful protesters and violent rioters at the Charlottesville rally.
 
Tolle_Lege said:
Trump is better liked by minorities than any other Republican president in recent memory.
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In 2016 Trump got 6% of the black vote. But Reagan got 9% of the black vote. George W. Bush got 11% of the black vote. Bob Dole got about 11%. In fact you have to go all the way back to Nixon to get a GOP candidate that got less of the black vote than Trump. So if the like him so much, why didn’t they vote for him?
 
Yes, why don’t you show us the FBI statistics on interracial murders over the past few years or decades so we can deal with the actual, real issue instead of some people’s feelings?

Opinions should be based on facts, but you seem to consider facts mere deflections.
 
Margaret_Ann said:
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LeafByNiggle:
I think US Intelligence knows a thing or two.
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Then why did the FBI hold on to evidence of Hunter Biden and his dealings with China and Ukraine until now???
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This kind of argument is a common one, but invalid. It asks a question for which information is not sufficient for an answer, then hopes the reader will assume an answer consistent with the debaters position. In the first place, I don’t know that they did “hold to” such evidence, and if they did, I have no idea why. But I still think our intelligence agencies know more than any Internet blogger.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
In 2016 Trump got 6% of the black vote. But Reagan got 9% of the black vote. George W. Bush got 11% of the black vote. Bob Dole got about 11%. In fact you have to go all the way back to Nixon to get a GOP candidate that got less of the black vote than Trump. So if the like him so much, why didn’t they vote for him?
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It’s about 2020, not 2016
 
Nepperhan said:
  • Talk to more minority voters.
  • The question is if voters can ignore Trump’s racial divisiveness.
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  1. Lemme guess, yOu’Ve TaLkEd tO sO mAnY ? ?
  2. Everything on the left is about division, race, gender, class etc. … typical marxist division tactics … yawn.
 
Tolle_Lege said:
Lemme guess, yOu’Ve TaLkEd tO sO mAnY ? ?
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Yes, I have as a matter of fact.
Tolle_Lege said:
Everything on the left is about division, race, gender, class etc. … typical marxist division tactics … yawn.
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This thread concerns a newspaper editorial. Let’s focus in on the issues.

Would you submit that Trump has not been divisive? Are you familiar with the speech he gave at Mt. Rushmore?
 
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You seem to be assuming that you are know my ethnic background and the company I keep.
The article noted that black unemployment hit a record low.
What about this shouldn’t I like?
It doesn’t seem racist to me…
For your perusal:
There have never been more Black and Hispanic Americans in the workforce, Friday’s Labor Department job report showed.

The jobless rate for Hispanics hit a record low of 3.9% in September, while African Americans maintained its lowest rate ever, 5.5%.
The Hispanic women unemployment rate was 3.8% in September and the Black adult women jobless rate was 4.6%.
The unemployment rate for Asian Americans was 2.5% in September. The jobless rate for adult women came in at 3.1%.

Another bright-spot of the report was the overall unemployment rate. The jobless rate dropped 0.2 percentage points to 3.5%, its lowest reading in 50 years. Nonfarm payrolls rose by just 136,000 in September, below economists’ expectations of 145,000, according to Dow Jones.
“The best numbers that we’ve ever had: African American, Hispanic American, Asian American, Women, everything. We have the best numbers that we’ve had in many, many, many decades, ” President Donald Trump told reporters on Friday
“We have the best economy we’ve ever had, we have the best jobs numbers in 51 years, the best unemployment numbers that we’ve had in a half a century,” Trump added. “People are working, they’re making money.”

It’s going to take some pretty impressive gymnastics to turn minority job creation into racism.
 
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  1. The progressive left has been the only one exacerbating things along the lines of race for so long because it has become for them the new “struggle.” I heard someone speaking about this a few months ago an it’s so true. Since they were not able to get the workers in this country to rise up in a class war against the so-called bourgeoisie and create the idealized socialist society, they instead turned their attention to our social and racial divides and are trying to instigate a culture and race war between conservatives and liberals and between whites and blacks.
  2. Trump’s theory on bringing this country together racially is to bring about strong economic reform so that everyone can have the opportunity to succeed, whether they are in the inner city, the suburbs, the farmlands of Kansas, or the hills of Appalachia. Then, if everyone - black, white, Latino, Asian, Native American, etc. - can succeed, then it will serve to bring people together. Some examples:
  3. Through the Tax Bill, with the help of Senator Tim Scott, he created many opportunity zones in struggling inner city communities to bring investment and economic development to these areas. Since schools are funded by local property taxes, if these investments can become sustained, then our inner city schools which are currently failing might have access to the resources they need to thrive.
  4. Trump oversaw the passage of the most significant criminal justice reform in decades, helping hopefully to bring the African American men who are disproportionally incarcerated to come home and be a part of their families. More still needs to be done on this front, but it is a good start. We need to focus more on rehabilitation in prisons, unlike Biden, who said in the 1990s on the Senate floor that for many of the criminals out there, it wasn’t even worth it to try to understand them or rehabilitate them, but that they were too far gone and should just be sent away forever. You can look up that video too.
  5. Trump gave extended 10-year funding for HBCU’s, which really helps these centers of higher learning continue to operate the way they ought and continue to educate young black minds.
  6. Trump is against abortion and giving federal tax dollars to Planned Parenthood, an organization will deep ties to the Democrat party, founded by the eugenicist Margaret Sanger, and strategically placed in black neighborhoods. Abortion has killed approximately 19 millions black children since 1973.
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  1. Trump also always promotes the family in his speeches. The African American family has been destroyed by progressive policies, such as the welfare state, since the 1960s. This has led to endless violence, crime, and injustice. From Larry Elder:
For blacks, out-of-wedlock births have gone from 25 percent in 1965 to 73 percent today. The ethnic group with the next-highest percent of births to unmarried mothers is that of Native Americans, at 66 percent. For whites, out-of-wedlock births stand at 29 percent. For Hispanics, out-of-wedlock births are at 53 percent.
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In every state, a woman with two children “makes” more money on welfare than were she to take a minimum wage job. The array of federal and state programs amounts to over $60K spent for every poor household. But because of costs, the recipient household ends up getting far less.
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How do we know that the welfare state creates disincentives that hurt the people we are trying to help? They tell us. In 1985, the Los Angeles Times asked whether poor women “often” have children to get additional benefits. Most of the non-poor respondents said no. When the same question was asked of the poor , however, 64 percent said yes.
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“ We know the statistics,” said President Barack Obama, “that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison. They are more likely to have behavioral problems, or run away from home, or become teenage parents themselves.”
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  1. As you can see, these things are focused on the areas that will actually help African American communities to thrive - family, education, and opportunity. Faith is also one of the areas that will help the African American community, which is more of where we come in as Catholics, as well as other role models in their communities. Trump has consistently worked to ensure conscience rights and the sanctity of religious liberty in this country.
  2. As Catholics, we need to cling to the truth. What I have just presented in these three posts is the truth. You can verify everything that I have said by doing some research of your own.
May God bless you all! 🙂
 
Nepperhan said:
Don’t blame Obama or his administration for Trump’s racial divisiveness.
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Why did Obama stand by and let the narrative that everybody who voted against him was a racist continue?

Why?

Was he about real issues, or about stirring racial tensions?
 
Tolle_Lege said:
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LeafByNiggle:
In 2016 Trump got 6% of the black vote. But Reagan got 9% of the black vote. George W. Bush got 11% of the black vote. Bob Dole got about 11%. In fact you have to go all the way back to Nixon to get a GOP candidate that got less of the black vote than Trump. So if the like him so much, why didn’t they vote for him?
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It’s about 2020, not 2016
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Even today only 10% of blacks support Trump. So he has still not beaten Bush or Dole.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
Why did Obama stand by and let the narrative that everybody who voted against him was a racist continue?

Why?

Was he about real issues, or about stirring racial tensions?
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I don’t think he ever said anything like that. What credible source claimed that anyone who voted against him was racist? Obama came out of a racially diverse district in IL and never ran a racially-charged campaign for any office, including his runs for the presidency.

You’re just not stating facts here.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Even today only 10% of blacks support Trump. So he has still not beaten Bush or Dole.
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Let’s wait and see if the election results support this contention.
Blacks made lots of employment gains under Mr. Trump. It would make sense to vote for the guy whose policies create economic opportunities, and his track record -despite the Covid speedbump- has been strong.
 
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Every black man I personally know (which admittedly isn’t a lot, but still) loves Trump.
 
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So, contrary to Biden’s claim that Trump has “yet once to condemn white supremacy, the neo-Nazis,” in the course of two days, Trump did it twice.
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Trump, Aug. 14, 2017 : Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

Trump, Aug. 15, 2017 : I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally.
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