1 -Did he say that? Where?
Giving life in own will is considered suicide in Islam and in all the laws around the world.
That was a plan of God. He did it accordingly. We are nothing to decide his right and wrong.
Khalfan, i said we live through Jesus. I did not say our nature changed and we became angels. So we did not become angels or another species of humans. We are still humans who sin but we live through Jesus, we put our sins at His feet, we put our burden on Him, we live through Him, we did not become Him. God redeems and we accept this redemption and live through it because we can’t on our own be sanctified.
You explained a thoelogy, not the reality. We believe in reality. There is no seperaton between us and God.
What is that mean? Is there an imaginery sin as well in your theology?
You are explaining your point of view. I have my own wich is more logical and reasonable to any, even athiest.
I can agree with you.
It is exactly so. But in Islam, human realtion and problems should be resolved between humans itself before we go to God. God will not forgive us if we weren’t forgiven by the wictim we sinned against.
God will decide that. But what we have to do here to get forgiven by wictim that we sinned against, is to be done. The payment can only be cancelled by the wictim even if the case is in the Islamic court.
The sacrifice I meant is the compensation we do for the wictim, to get forgiven by him. What you do as sacrifice? If you have to sacrifice yourself, was the sacrifice of God useless?
Now, that’s about a drug. What about touching the fire? Will you have greater potential to touch fire? My dear, it is about the nature of drug and fire. What makes us to approch both is our free will and choice, which all of us have in us as it had in Adam and Eve (pbut).
no, there is a non-acted-upon-sin.
You are trying to give the impression that Islam says God created man to SIN ONLY. Islam teaches, God created man with the ability to sin as well as to love God.
See… you keep on claiming the same thing.
God created man with the ability to sin as well. He wanted us to choose good from bad. He gave guidence and gave us free will. Now, their is a common saying ‘we learn from mistakes’. This is what God too wanted us to do. God doesn’t worry about our mistakes since none our deed can touch his holyness. But he interested more in those repenters, who do return to God, accepting his holyness. This is what Jesus (pbuh) too taught in a story of two sons and a father (Lk 15:11-32). As father was so happy in returned lost son, God becomes happy to see repented sinner. In this context, what you said is correct.
Again, it is theology. I have better reasonings and explanations.
NO! God does not want us to sin, ever.
Please correct… Someone with the ability to Sin as well.
Now you tell me, they both were arguing each other on their deeds in the after life. What prophet (pbuh) CONFIRMED as right? Whose arguments was wrong according to Prophet (pbuh)? He didn’t say that. It is YOU who want to misinterpret and draw the meaning you understand worthy. I said, it is not only him, many will blame him for that, but only God CAN FINALISE what was true.
My dear friend, why don’t you see, it is the same concept as I said. We born as Adam and Eve (pbuh) was born, with potential to sin which will exist in us till we die. NOTHING on earth, not even the sacrifice of ‘Jesus’ can change that potential in us. What we can do is to stay away from sining by following the law of God, living through Jesus (pbuh). If we do fulfill the will of God, we will be in heaven. If not, we will die in hell. The result of our life will be known to us only after we die. If this the case, the sacrifice of ‘Jesus’ on cross has nothing to do with us. It was totally useless as what will lead us to heaven or hell is our deeds, not that what ‘Jesus’ did for us.
Originally Posted by inJESUS
Then you haven’t had to take this effort. I already agreed, we can pray for others. Prophet (pbuh) will pray for us. Acceptence will still remain the right of God. But we believe, God will accept his pray. What I don’t agree is, God never demanded blood of anyone for that.None of the Islamic martyrs ever wanted to be killed. Many got killed for greater purpose, but the getting killed wasn’t the purpose or their will ever. They wanted to live for what they believed and they did so.
A Christian martyr dies for the faith, but is never a martyr if he/she tries to kill another along with him/herself because of faith. He/she would be considered a murderer who committed suicide.
None of the Islamic martyrs ever wanted to be killed. Many got killed for greater purpose, but the getting killed wasn’t the purpose or their will ever. They wanted to live for what they believed and they did so.
It came from mars in 1932.
A Christian martyr dies for the faith, but is never a martyr if he/she tries to kill another along with him/herself because of faith. He/she would be considered a murderer who committed suicide.
None of the Islamic martyrs ever wanted to be killed. Many got killed for greater purpose, but the getting killed wasn’t the purpose or their will ever. They wanted to live for what they believed and they did so.
It seems better argument than the claim of Moses (pbuh), right? That is what Prophet (pbuh) also said. Read the underlined, bolded, colored. He said, Adam’s (pbuh) argument was better. If I say, ‘Apple is better than Mango’, did I mean mango is bad???
oh my…and what did i say in my post? didn’t i say that Adam’s argument is better according to Allah/Muhammad? DIDN’T i say that?It seems better argument than the claim of Moses (pbuh), right? That is what Prophet (pbuh) also said. Read the underlined, bolded, colored. He said, Adam’s (pbuh) argument was better. If I say, ‘Apple is better than Mango’, did I mean mango is bad???
Now, do you find the confirmation of God anywhere???
Anywhere my dear ??? Anywhere???