Islam is a religion of peace and is tolerant of other religions?

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um… ok… I can’t believe that…

Their god (yes I do differentiate) is viewed as a master and men are slaves. (I learned that when I found out it was heresy for an Islamic to say God the Father).
 
Whats an Islamic?

If you are refering to the followers of Islam you should call them Muslims.
 
Abd al-Haqq]Now that you have learned to quote, the next step would be for you to engage the points instead of making a silly charade such that you can excuse yourself from directly responding.

You are a very arrogant and condescending person (but I am sure you have heard that before 🙂 I could care less about responding to your pseudo-intellectual post. I have researched Islam for the past 2 years, with my heart AND mind, as I fell in love with a Muslim. THat Muslim has since left his Faith. Do you know why? We didn’t need to have these wasteful intellectual arguments, I say they are wasteful because if you are not open (as you are not) to the Truth it doesn’t matter what anyone tells you, because you will not hear it. He saw my witness to my Faith, I shared the beauty of Catholicism, without words, thru my actions and he fell in love with it and with me. The only thing that will change your mind and heart, my friend, is God’s grace. I will pray for you.

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oops–I quoted wrong again…I guess that means I am wrong about Islam, because I am computer illiterate. :confused:
 
Abd al-Haqq:
Then condemn Jesus for ordering the brutal deaths of innocents.
Where? OT again?
Gd is responsible for vioelnce in your OT. I showed you. You are living in denial.
You are the one who is living in denial and you forget to explain how peace your religion towards others
For the fifth time, the acts commanded by Jesus in your OT far out weight anything you have brought out to condemn Islam.
Even if you count for the hundredth time, it wont change the way I see about Islam. OT may contains violance thats why Jesus came to this earth. To make everything complete and replace the law, eye for eye with love one to another. Koran teaches otherwise though
If they are not a dilemma, then why don;t you directly respond to the verses that spell out the violence ordered by your Gd?
Unfortunately my God never attack people practice their religion. Your god commanded his followers to kill the unbelievers/kaffirs/infidel/people of the book, etc.
It is not a matter of heat for my desire to end this with you, it is a matter of wisdom: As long as you fail to acknoweldge the points I make, or to return with at least a semi-coherent argument that actually makes a point, then my time will be foolishly wasted.
Peace and good luck.
Do not talk about wisdom while you have none in your own books. Oh yes your time should be foolishly wasted. You close your eyes for what happened. You prefer to defend their action by finding violent in OT.
 
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cute2904:
Do we see now christian attack other faith in the name of God?
Yes, re a recent incident in the state of Alabama where some crazies attacked a Mass in progress assaulting the altar etc.
 
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cute2904:
So 72 virgins would be OK?
Ask Jesus. He thought 32,000 would be a good round number. Again, you will have to take this up with your Gd, Jesus, I am only quoting what you Gd says is OK. Try to to hate so much.
 
Abd al-Haqq:
Ask Jesus. He thought 32,000 would be a good round number. Again, you will have to take this up with your Gd, Jesus, I am only quoting what you Gd says is OK. Try to to hate so much.
having some trouble typing, or is there no “o” each time you refer to God.
 
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MrS:
having some trouble typing, or is there no “o” each time you refer to God.
Err… I just can guess that Gd means its our (christian) God not his… maybe… dunno… just guessing.
 
Abd al-Haqq:
Ask Jesus. He thought 32,000 would be a good round number. Again, you will have to take this up with your Gd, Jesus, I am only quoting what you Gd says is OK. Try to to hate so much.
Do you believe Jesus as your prophet?
 
OK, another way we can analyse this is to observe Islamic countries around the world. By western standards of religious tolerance, these all of these countries rate poorly. Many of them are harshly repressive of individual rights, including the right to worship freely in another faith. Also, they tend to be oppressive in other ways.

The heart and soul of Islam resides in Saudi Arabia. This country has extremely repressive laws and Christianity is absolutely not allowed. The Bible is surpressed. Women are not allowed equal rights.

Therefore, by objective standards, Islamic countries have not demonstrated religious tolerance. Even ‘secular’ Turkey does not score well in this dept.

Therefore, I deduce from both reading extremely harsh words in the Koran that are to be no where found in Buddhaism, Christianity, or Hinduism, and from the concrete reality of religious expression in Muslim countries, that Islam is a religion inherently more violent and repressive than others.

Having said that, I haven’t found Muslims any different as individuals than other people. But I do believe that modern day Islam fosters violence and extremism in a way not found in other world religions.
 
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kristyn:
Abd al-Haqq]Now that you have learned to quote, the next step would be for you to engage the points instead of making a silly charade such that you can excuse yourself from directly responding.

You are a very arrogant and condescending person (but I am sure you have heard that before 🙂 I could care less about responding to your pseudo-intellectual post. I have researched Islam for the past 2 years, with my heart AND mind, as I fell in love with a Muslim.
And yet you revel pseudo-intellectual works that give you great security in your faith from CS Lewis (joke, I could not resist that, do not take it serious).
Seriously, I searched your faith for Gd, for over a year I even attended mass and studied with a priest, but I did it out of love for Gd, not for a relationship with another person, and with my heart and mind.
THat Muslim has since left his Faith. Do you know why?
Possibly because he was ingorant about his faith. That is usually the major reason that a Muslim does leave their faith. (in fact, this is the reason for some converts of all faiths, even when a Catholic is pressured by a loved one to enter into a hokey, fly by night evangelical center). Understanding why you believe and what you believe is key to being a believer, that goes for any religion. The Quran admonishes people for following a religion out of ignorance. And I am Muslim after studying and practicing your faith. Do you know why?
We didn’t need to have these wasteful intellectual arguments, I say they are wasteful because if you are not open (as you are not) to the Truth it doesn’t matter what anyone tells you, because you will not hear it.
Ah! As I predicted. He left upon the bases of ignorance. If you feel intellectual discourse and critique is wasteful, then your method to find truth is flawed, truly flawed.
Be not affraid, be affirmed. Truly if you have the truth, you should not worry about a serious discourse.
He saw my witness to my Faith, I shared the beauty of Catholicism, without words, thru my actions and he fell in love with it and with me. The only thing that will change your mind and heart, my friend, is God’s grace. I will pray for you.
Look, I can give you countless stories of people leaving your faith and converting to Islam. Will that convince you of the truth of Islam? Will that cause you to ponder? No. Absolutely not. So understand, a warm, touchy feely story about a convert adds little in way of helping someone find the validity of a religion. Stories of Jews becoming Christian, or Muslim, or Muslim becoming Hindu, or Christain becoming Muslim abound. I am sure for you your experience was real and convincing, just realize that these stories abound in all faiths.
I too will pray that we are all guided, and that we are all given the mercy of love and peace.
 
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MrS:
having some trouble typing, or is there no “o” each time you refer to God.
I have trouble writing anything that refers to Gd on anything that can dirty it.
 
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spiritblows:
OK, another way we can analyse this is to observe Islamic countries around the world. By western standards of religious tolerance, these all of these countries rate poorly. Many of them are harshly repressive of individual rights, including the right to worship freely in another faith. Also, they tend to be oppressive in other ways.

The heart and soul of Islam resides in Saudi Arabia. This country has extremely repressive laws and Christianity is absolutely not allowed. The Bible is surpressed. Women are not allowed equal rights.
The regime, backed by a faction overly referred to in the media as “wahabism”, was put into power by the British, as a way of “developing” the area in a manner that best worked for them, and to help fight the last of the Ottoman rulers. Since then, nearly every white house president has had a close relationship and has pandered and supported the ruling class, as well as in the emirates.

As far as “equal rights for women”, please show me “equal rights” as defined by your Gd Jesus from the TORAH, since the NT is insufficient to provide any real insight into the realm of religous jurisprudence. Some the restrictions in Saudi are not religously based, and the ruling family does not constitute an Islamic government.
Therefore, by objective standards, Islamic countries have not demonstrated religious tolerance. Even ‘secular’ Turkey does not score well in this dept.
Show me a single “Islamic Country”. You are trying to do what many of the necon pundits do when it is time to sell books to the masses: Over simplify an issue and then give a simple conclusion.

Therefore, I deduce from both reading extremely harsh words in the Koran that are to be no where found in Buddhaism, Christianity, or Hinduism, and from the concrete reality of religious expression in Muslim countries, that Islam is a religion inherently more violent and repressive than others.

Either you are being intellectually dishonest, or you have cognitive problems .
Show me in the Quran where Gd ordered the Muslims to leave the sick, fellow believers in the desert to die alone. Jesus did this in the bible. Show me where Gd ordered the Muslims to kill women and babies and children? Jesus does this in the bible. Show me where Gd ordered the Muslims to kill those who marry of a different race? Jesus did this, and rewarded the man who killed the Jew and his foreign wife. Interesting how you are “card stacking” in order to reach your irrational conclusion.
SHow me a single ancient Mosque in Europe? SHow me a single Muslim who held a high rank in Christian Europe before the 19th century? If Islam truly had the destruction of other religions as a core teaching, then they would have been wiped out a long time ago in Muslim lands.
Having said that, I haven’t found Muslims any different as individuals than other people. But I do believe that modern day Islam fosters violence and extremism in a way not found in other world religions.
It appears your beliefs are fostered by ignorance and hyperbole rather than on any sound principle.
 
Abd al-Haqq:
Show me in the Quran where Gd ordered the Muslims to leave the sick, fellow believers in the desert to die alone. Jesus did this in the bible. Show me where Gd ordered the Muslims to kill women and babies and children? Jesus does this in the bible. Show me where Gd ordered the Muslims to kill those who marry of a different race? Jesus did this, and rewarded the man who killed the Jew and his foreign wife. Interesting how you are “card stacking” in order to reach your irrational conclusion.
Do you really think anybody believes you?
 
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kristyn:
oops–I quoted wrong again…I guess that means I am wrong about Islam, because I am computer illiterate. :confused:
No, it only means that you are human. Welcome to the human race.
 
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exoflare:
Do you really think anybody believes you?
I apologize. Is not the bible your very word of Gd? If so, do you not believe what your Gd says in it? Do you not believe Jesus is Coeternal, and Coequal with the Father? Did I miss something? Please tell me what I missed? If I have missed nothing, then you do not have ot believe me, beleive your Gd.
 
Abd al-Haqq:
I apologize. Is not the bible your very word of Gd? If so, do you not believe what your Gd says in it? Do you not believe Jesus is Coeternal, and Coequal with the Father? Did I miss something? Please tell me what I missed? If I have missed nothing, then you do not have ot believe me, beleive your Gd.
We’re held to a higher standard in this day because the fullness of truth has already been revealed to us. People in the OT were spiritually immature and had not yet received the full realization of good vs. evil, much less the grace required to live in a way that God would truly consider good.

If you want to talk about certain verses, then post them in another thread instead of making blanket statements without backing them up.
 
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