Islam is BAD!!!

[R_not]

You can believe anything you like. It will not harm me or my religion. But please do unto others what you would like to be done unto you. That would be enough. Thanks.

Wow, sort of like the wolf telling the sheep to keep on baaa’ing while the wolf sharpens their teeth.

 

[medallionsnijme]

Whew - I guess I got a little upset by that post from ‘muslim woman’.

Actually, they explain that duality off too. I don’t remember the exact words, but I have heard their excuses before.

Keep in mind that whatever applies to their fellow muslim does not apply to infidels so they also excuse the murder, and other atrocities, off as ok. But, they don’t say that in their posts. They write as if they are addressing another muslim, giving the rights to another muslim, and not saying none of the ‘niceness’, etc apply to infidels. Because their ‘religion’ doesn’t accept anyone who is not a muslim - unless they are subjugated and then the muslim will say they are ‘protected’. It is so fascist of an idiologoy that it is mind boggling.

oh believe me, i know. ive read it with my own eyes. i remember being quite confused, even though at the time i was muslim bigyikes: ). i remember reading the qu’ran and being very comforted by some things (i was very spiritually weak at the time) and severely disturbed at others. i remember being tossed and confused because none of it made sense. i mean i have never crossed a religion that is so contradictory and paradoxical in comparison to Christianity and the Truth that its amazing that the masses of people dont pick up on it. even when looking at other religions, though we do not believe what they believe, they are more geared towards Christian-like principles than islamic “laws”. my own opinion on various religions of the world beside, ask anyone who is hindu or buddhist for example, and they will tell you there is a striking difference that is particular to islam alone that is not good. and that difference we have already pointed out. then again, i suppose if youre born into it you are brainwashed from the beginning, and if you go into it by your own free will youre wanting something so bad that you are willing to give away your soul for empty nothingness and vain wants, even when the “prizes” of islam seem so “good”. from looking at it from having been on the inside and looking at it from the outside now, i believe islam is truly evil through deception, denial, and overallpride. i will always treat muslim people with peace and love because it is what we are called to do as Christians to all our fellow human beings whom God loves so dearly, but i do not believe in the “rightness” of their faith for one minute. having said that, i still believe that the people are obviously able to do good because of the grace of God working in them.

 

[jen_fla]

this is in response to sister amy when i brought up how mohammed condoned killing those that mocked him. guess you can wage war with words. (too bad theo van gogh found this out as his life was being taken).

you replied

from that remark i can only conclude that you are not aware of this or chose to put on your blinders.

Book 38, Number 4348:

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:

A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him.** So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there.** When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.

He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.

Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, **no retaliation is payable for her blood.**

Book 38, Number 4349:

Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:

A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.

so here we have a man that murdered his pregnant SLAVE and mohammed said he was not to be punished for it.

so while you have stated it is better for someone to forgive (of course it is!), we still see that this kind of violence is permitted.

it also makes one pause when i was given this to read:

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YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

PICKTHAL: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;

SHAKIR: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

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YUSUFALI: Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

and how you can find it acceptable for a man to beat his wife or slave is frightening. why don’t you go to a women’s domestic abuse shelter and speak to the women there and see if they are better off for their beatings.

yeah, i still stand by thinking that muslims are probably the biggest victims of islam. ESP women.

and why do you keep bringing up the old testament? can you show me any Jews that stone adulterers today? can you show me ANY teaching from Jesus where he said to kill those that commit adultery?

what is you point? i am having a really hard time understanding how someone from america can accept such backward and violent teachings.

oh and by the way, the punishment for drinking is 80 stripes. go watch the passion for some flogging and tell me you honestly think our merciful God would want someone whipped for drinking.

i forgot to mention chess. do you like chess? i do. it’s a game that provides intellectual stimulation, but alas mohammed forbade it!

Chapter 2: IT IS PROHIBITED TO PLAY CHESS
Book 028, Number 5612:

Buraida reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: He who played chess is like one who dyed his hand with the flesh and blood of swine.

please educate me as to why this intellectually challenging board game is forbidden? :hypno:

i just reread what i had written earlier and i made a mistake thinking this slave (mother of the murdering master’s 2 children) was pregnant at the time.

So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there.

i think the author was trying to convey that one of her sons came to her to cling to her legs as she bled to death. i am not 100% certain, but what we do see is that this man murdered the mother of his two children and they (or at least one of them) witnessed it.

and the kind loving mohmammed had no problem with it. no punishment in this case.

HOW CAN ANYONE OVERLOOK THIS? :banghead:

 

[medallionsnijme]

*This is one of the key problems for Muslims integrating in western countries they have to get to grips with the idea that their faith will not be treated as above all reproach or critique any more than any other faith will. *

this is very true. in sydney theres a huge muslim population like i said. they have a tendency to think that they are in their home country and that everything is going to be like it was, and if its not that they should be catered to so that it is. thats rubbish. if you wanted to move to a certain country, you did it for a reason. if you dont like it, go home . dont expect everyone else to cater to your particular ways.
i remember there was a case of gangrape (which is a HUGE problem over there, and who does it 99% of the time? “righteous” muslim boys!) and i remember a sheikh saying that she deserved it because of the way she was dressed. like they couldnt help themselves! yes, girls and women need to be more modest than they are, but REGARDLESS of if theyre dressed to the 9’s or if theyre dressing like a prostitute, that gives NO MAN (or woman…just saying!)a right to treat another human being like that! they surely wouldnt do it to their own women, why should the rest of the women in the world be seen as meat for their men? grrrrr…

 

[medallionsnijme]

i just reread what i had written earlier and i made a mistake thinking this slave (mother of the murdering master’s 2 children) was pregnant at the time.

So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there.

i think the author was trying to convey that one of her sons came to her to cling to her legs as she bled to death. i am not 100% certain, but what we do see is that this man murdered the mother of his two children and they (or at least one of them) witnessed it.

and the kind loving mohmammed had no problem with it. no punishment in this case.

HOW CAN ANYONE OVERLOOK THIS? :banghead:

…well, its men, certain anatomical members of their ego might get in their way… I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!..hey, just think! if there were 2 more people there, he could have gotten in trouble! :doh2: they were 2 short.

 

[KenEOTE]

Salaam/peace;

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A historical testimony of Muslim tolerance to the Christians: Muslim Dome of the Rock next to the Christian Church

Actually I think this shows how much tolerance the Christians have towards the Muslims… Actually how lucky we are that Israel is not run by Muslims. We saw what Muslims have done in Saudi and Afghanistan. Saudi you can’t have a Bible, and in Afghanistan destroyed all the Buddhist temples and wouldn’t let you fly a kite because they have such tolerance.

 

[jen_fla]

…well, its men, certain anatomical members of their ego might get in their way… I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!..hey, just think! if there were 2 more people there, he could have gotten in trouble! :doh2: they were 2 short.

even with 50 witnesses, mohammed still would have seen this poor woman as “striving to make mischief”… so from this cruel twisted ideology she got what she deserved for speaking her mind. the whole thing is revolting.

 

[medallionsnijme]

when Christ taught “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”, if muslims actually listened (as muslim woman claims they do… )to Christ’s message, wouldnt they have already found their answer? im sure that nobody (unless they were a sociopath…) would want to have their families and friends die for puerile reasoning. i mean surely back in the OT there was a reason for the eye for an eye thing (??)but now that Christ has taught “turn the other cheek” and the “do unto others as you would have them do to you”, theres no excuse for revenge…

Christ also taught that “what you do to others, you do to Me”, whether its good or bad to anyone, Christ takes it as done unto Him, even the smallest of acts or words. what if the muslims sat and thought on that for a while. surely they always say ‘peace be upon him’ whenever they talk about any of the Prophets, but if they took that one step farther and said, ‘oh,lets treat everyone with the respect we give the Prophets because “we listen to what all of them” wow, what would happen?
but they still refuse to really ***listen ***to Christ’s teachings. if they did the world would be a-changin’!

 

[medallionsnijme]

even with 50 witnesses, mohammed still would have seen this poor woman as “striving to make mischief”… so from this cruel twisted ideology she got what she deserved for speaking her mind. the whole thing is revolting.

TOUCHE! youre right, theres no way to win.

 

[inJESUS]

• and i remember a sheikh saying that she deserved it because of the way she was dressed…*

where i work there are Muslim syrians working…one of them stole my mobile phone…i suspected him from his behavior…you know the guilty one betrays himself by his attitude…anyway,the guy was fired … the other Syrian came to me and said about the fired guy: his uncle is a sheikh and told him that stealing from Christians is halal…

i cannot tell if there is such a teaching somewhere in Islam or not …but i can understand that a Muslim cannot read the Quran and “love” us infidels “the worst of creatures” so it’s like stealing from an ennemy is not stealing.

 

[RobHom]

Muslim Woman…

You issue complaints that are not valid. You show misleading pictures that portray a “poor innocent Muslim girl” with her face uncovered…and that is your act of deception. What the truth is on this matter is what you find in these two links:

local6.com/news/1930261/detail.html

dmv.de.gov/services/driver_services/drivers_license/dr_lic_photo_procedures.shtml

You will note that the issue is NOT DISCRIMINATORY, as it applies to all people of all religions. It is a SECURITY ISSUE, not a religious issue.

Do Muslim countries allow women to have their faces covered on drivers licenses and passports. (Don’t bother…I already know the answer )

Would a Muslim country such as Saudi Arabia, or any other Muslim country… allow a planeload of healthy men and women into their country with their faces covered…with passports showing their faces covered if they claimed “religious reasons” who were not “Muslims”? (I know the answer to that one as well )

And in so far as your David facing Goliath…that picture should not cause you “pride”…it should cause you complete “shame”. Any adult who sends or allows a child to go into the streets like that is an idiot. It only goes to show the stupidity and lack of values that some people embrace.

You will not succeed in converting the West… You can bet on that. You have forgotten history, and thus you will repeat it.

But do tell me why your so called “freedom fighters” wear masks and insist on fighting as cowards do? Using children as shields, blowing up innocent people? Is this what you “represent”? If so, that is so sad…so very sad.

 

[R_not]

oh believe me, i know. ive read it with my own eyes. i remember being quite confused, even though at the time i was muslim bigyikes: ). i remember reading the qu’ran and being very comforted by some things (i was very spiritually weak at the time) and severely disturbed at others. i remember being tossed and confused because none of it made sense. i mean i have never crossed a religion that is so contradictory and paradoxical in comparison to Christianity and the Truth that its amazing that the masses of people dont pick up on it. even when looking at other religions, though we do not believe what they believe, they are more geared towards Christian-like principles than islamic “laws”. my own opinion on various religions of the world beside, ask anyone who is hindu or buddhist for example, and they will tell you there is a striking difference that is particular to islam alone that is not good. and that difference we have already pointed out. then again, i suppose if youre born into it you are brainwashed from the beginning, and if you go into it by your own free will youre wanting something so bad that you are willing to give away your soul for empty nothingness and vain wants, even when the “prizes” of islam seem so “good”. from looking at it from having been on the inside and looking at it from the outside now, i believe islam is truly evil through deception, denial, and overallpride. i will always treat muslim people with peace and love because it is what we are called to do as Christians to all our fellow human beings whom God loves so dearly, but i do not believe in the “rightness” of their faith for one minute. having said that, i still believe that the people are obviously able to do good because of the grace of God working in them.

thank you for this note. I needed it. It sorts out the problem I was having with muslims and ‘how could they believe in that stuff!’ type of thinking. I think you settled my mind down and I really needed it.

Your note hit the ‘reality factor’ that I needed.

Thanks again.

 

[happyday]

You will not succeed in converting the West… You can bet on that. You have forgotten history, and thus you will repeat it.

Sorry to let yyou now the current situation, otherwise.

From Times OnlineMarch 31, 2008

Islam overtakes Catholicism as world’s largest religion

Richard Owen of The Times in Rome

Islam has overtaken Roman Catholicism to become the world’s largest single religious denomination, according to L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper.

In an interview with the paper Monsignor Vittorio Formenti, compilier of the Annuario Pontificio, the Vatican yearbook, said “For the first time in history, we are no longer at the top: Muslims have overtaken us.” He said that figures for 2006 showed that Catholics accounted for 17.4 per cent of the world population while Muslims accounted for 19.2 per cent.

He noted the decline in numbers of Catholic priests, and said the number of nuns was also suffering a “drastic reduction”.

In a provocative short story entitled “The Last Christmas” (L’Ultimo Natale) the popular Italian writer Valerio Massimo Manfredi imagines a future in which Islam has become the dominant religion in Italy, with the Pope obliged to leave St Peter’s and make way for an Imam.

timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article3653800.ece

 

[R_not]

where i work there are Muslim syrians working…one of them stole my mobile phone…i suspected him from his behavior…you know the guilty one betrays himself by his attitude…anyway,the guy was fired … the other Syrian came to me and said about the fired guy: his uncle is a sheikh and told him that stealing from Christians is halal…

i cannot tell if there is such a teaching somewhere in Islam or not …but i can understand that a Muslim cannot read the Quran and “love” us infidels “the worst of creatures” so it’s like stealing from an ennemy is not stealing.

I keep saying that about muslims. It is indeed ok to do such things - and even worse. Whatever they say on these threads it only applies to other muslims - NOT to infidels. this is more of the deception that is in islam and carried forward by the masses of ‘moderates’.

Even if we accepted subjugation - dhimmitude - they feel free to do to them whatever they want. And if any of those dhimmi did anytning to a muslim to get back their property, yell at them, or even say in a stern voice - even to a muslim child - those dhimmi are severly punished and/or killed.

I wish I could remember the book that I read that in and I just cannot. I have read so many and unfortunately, some of the first books I have read I didn’t take notes from. www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch has a description of dhimmitude, but even over and above our outright acceptance of dhimmitude - muslims behave as if we are already dhimmi by their demands, censoring, threats over any of our discussions of islam, allah, the koran, etc.

Here is the latest from the muslims in Dearborn, Michigan and their demanding censorship of a discussion mohammed the terrorist.

feeds.feedburner.com/~r/blogspot/LgXO/~3/366241501/michigan-muslims-attack-freedom-of.html

There are so many examples - and they grow daily. Over Europe the muslims are demanding the censorship of any discussion of mohammed, koran, islam, etc. Even our government says we shouldn’t say jihad. Well, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard! While we can’t say it - the muslims wage jihad and it IS indeed religious! All anyone has to do is crack open a koran and find it out for themselves!

 

[KenEOTE]

Sorry to let yyou now the current situation, otherwise.

timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article3653800.ece

I have no problem with that. In revelations it talks about a one world religion and that the Anti-Christ has those who do not convert beheaded… Hmm what group of people behead the infidel?

 

[RobHom]

Sorry to let yyou now the current situation, otherwise.

While they may outnumber Catholics…they do not outnumber Christians in the “West”… My comment was not regarding Catholics vs Muslims… It was about the West as a whole. In the coming years…some interesting things may come into play, and they will be on the level of geo-political…and you will see “unlikely friends” be just that. But one of the peoples not included will be the Muslims. I just have a feeling, that somehow we are going to see a repeat of history on one level…

 

[happyday]

There are so many examples - and they grow daily. Over Europe the muslims are demanding the censorship of any discussion of mohammed, koran, islam, etc. Even our government says we shouldn’t say jihad.

Because the propaganda war against Muslims and against Islam, waged recently in the West, is not working at all b’cause it is full of lies.
It is actually forcefully promoting and advertising Islam for free and thinking, curious and sincere minds of the West very quickly recognise the truth of Islam. And this website like many other anti-Islam sites, too is actually driving Christians towards Islam.

Now no wonder why “Islam overtakes Catholicism as world’s largest religion” - (click here)
timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article3653800.ece

 

[happyday]

In the coming years…some interesting things may come into play, and they will be on the level of geo-political…and you will see “unlikely friends” be just that. But one of the peoples not included will be the Muslims. I just have a feeling, that somehow we are going to see a repeat of history on one level…

But unfortunately, that “replay of history” may cause an another RENAISSANCE OF ISLAM - which brought Europe/West from Dark Ages Christian fundamentalism into the Age of Freedom , Light and Reason. The only thing different this time, it will be due to the Western mass false propaganda against Islam and Muslims which is promoting Islam for free.

 

[dzheremi]

Oh boy…here we go again…

Y’know, even if the West is “promoting Islam for free” with its “propaganda war” (sorry, but this sounds like paranoia to non-Muslims, since we see you worshipping freely in our societies), you still have to deal with the other “free promotion” you are getting from terrorists groups, individuals, and their backing Islamic governments that are also promoting Islam as violent, repressive, and wholly incongruent with anything “free and thinking”.

 

[RobHom]

Because the propaganda war against Muslims and against Islam, waged recently in the West, is not working at all b’cause it is full of lies.
It is actually forcefully promoting and advertising Islam for free and thinking, curious and sincere minds of the West very quickly recognise the truth of Islam. And this website like many other anti-Islam sites, too is actually driving Christians towards Islam.

I think you misunderstand the situation. Most westerners are averse to many things…and are rather “tolerant”, but that is to a point. There is a point known as “the last straw”, and that’s when you begin to see the real reactions of westerners. If you look at history…you will see many cases of where one group foreign to another…tries to overtake the other…and it has dire consequences.

This website is hardly responsible for driving Christians to convert to Islam. Quite the opposite I imagine.

Now no wonder why “Islam overtakes Catholicism as world’s largest religion” - (click here)
timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article3653800.ece

OK, 1.3 Billion Muslims…according to Muslim sources versus 1.13 Billion Catholics. Which leaves Islam with 19% of the worlds population…and Catholics 17.9%, and “Christians as a whole being 33%”…which means that effectively Muslims are a real minority in the worlds population… 19% versus 81% who are non-Muslim. Of that 81% there are billions of people who will not convert…nor will they consider it.

Its really not much to “crow” about.

Any reason you don’t identify your religion?