Islam

[R_not]

More on taqiyya and kithman that is used by muslims - no matter what the sect they belong to.

Taqiyya as impressions and perceptions management

Now how often do we read about muslims parading their dead children around after they have been killed due to the jihadists hiding among women and children, or that they lobbed bombs where the children are and then leave and come back AFTER the attacks hit where the jihadists were believed to be?!?! We have also read that when the jihadists move out in public they surround themselves with children. Isreal has had to devise means and ways to target only the jihadist without hitting the children (unlike the muslims who target their children!!) and have been somewhat successful in doing that. So has the USA been successful with their drones. They are able to spot the jihadists and then send in the arm drones while the jihadists are actually lobbing the bombs and take them out without.

drones target jihadists hiding among civilians

The tactical use of children: Australia television viewers noted that interviews with terrorist suspects raided by security authorities invariably featured veiled women holding small children or a baby as they protested their husband’s innocence and attested to his innate goodness. Trembling fingers pointed to ‘damage’ to the family residence. In some interviews the suspect / father holds the child, whilst denying involvement or knowledge of terrorism in any sense of the word: an example of taqiyya in the age of impressions and perception management.

Taqiyya and the Deceptive use of Jihad: The contemporary political meaning of jihad is clear: it is Jihad of the sword. Egyptian-based Islamic fundamentalists, from whom Bin Laden recruited his key operatives, believe jihad is the fourth pillar of Islam and is a binding belief and integral to the faith. Claiming that Jihad is a subjective and psychological state of personal struggle is taqiyya. In contemporary terms, Jihad means - holy war - against unbelievers and it in this context that Al Qaeda training manuals refer to Jihad as ‘Holy War’.

 

[R_not]

Still telling lies? You must have a close relation with the father of lies. Very saddening indeed.

I have already proven you a liar. You somehow deny this fact and consider me dumb and quiet despite my response. People can read and see, thank God.

Go and read my post #163

Oh, he told another one - that there is no compulsion in religion - in islam! He uses an abrogated surah and passes it off as legitimate. so, he lied twice when he does that - he doesn’t tell the people about the koran and its abrogated surahs and he gives the (mis)perception that islam doesn’t teach that one should kill the apostate, or non-muslims.

That is only one example AFTER your posts about planten lying!

 

[Angelos]

Oh, he told another one - that there is no compulsion in religion - in islam! He uses an abrogated surah and passes it off as legitimate. so, he lied twice when he does that - he doesn’t tell the people about the koran and its abrogated surahs and he gives the (mis)perception that islam doesn’t teach that one should kill the apostate, or non-muslims.

That is only one example AFTER your posts about planten lying!

This is why I have decided to call him “the son of the father of lies”.

 

[R_not]

This is why I have decided to call him “the son of the father of lies”.

good one!

He will no doubt be proud of that which is the sad part of it all.

 

[R_not]

That ‘religion of peace’ is at it again…

Well, it seems that a fatwa has been issued that says that muslims can hack into sites that question/discuss islam. As usual - they don’t want anyone to discuss islam or else they might find out that their ‘religion’ has a lot of problems with it!! Anyone with a tiny bit of common sense can see the problems with islam! And wherever it is allowed to rule the country they have the worst human rights abuses. But, sssshhh, even the UN has decreed that no one is to associate that with islam!

Anyway, here is the article:

don’t discuss islam, or else we will hack into your website!

I hope our web owners know about this and take the proper precautions.

**Non-Muslims in Malaysia have been warned by state rulers not to question the supremacy of Islam or the special privileges given to the Malay Muslim majority there. The Muslim rulers have said that questioning of Islam and the superior standing of Islam “can lead to disunity and racial strife that can undermine the peace and harmony”. In other words just shut up, convert or live like a dhimmi.

This week a fatwa issued by a committee from the highest authority in Sunni Islam, Egypt’s Al-Azhar University in Cairo has stated that Muslims have the right under Islam to hack into the websites of non-Muslims that are fighting back in the information war.

Approximately two months ago the Human Rights Council at the United Nations had banned any criticism regarding Sharia Law and human rights in the Islamic world. Muslims are obviously very worried that the ugly truth about Islam is getting out to more and more people, which means that we are doing a good job. Keep up the good work everyone!**

 

[TomaszA]

I am catholic, and i would like to say something.

there is a thread on here that would lead you to believe that islam is evil, that it is the ant-christ, and the religion of satan. i told the poster that he was being hateful, and he told me that i have “made peace with the devil”. muslims are not satan worshipers. there are radical muslims, however, who have taken the lives of many. they are evil. but those who worship in peace are not.

The message Muhammad brought is problematic for many reasons. It rejects the Divine Sonship of Jesus, rejects that He was Crucified, introduces several other innovative ideas and then claims to be a final revelation that requires our faith.

We can unify on the fact that we are both monotheistic and share several moral values.

 

[R_not]

The message Muhammad brought is problematic for many reasons. It rejects the Divine Sonship of Jesus, rejects that He was Crucified, introduces several other innovative ideas and then claims to be a final revelation that requires our faith.

We can unify on the fact that we are both monotheistic and share several moral values.

That is not the problem! The problem is that they follow a prophet who was a looter, a mass murderer, a marauding gangster, a pedophile, an assasin, a lustful womanizer, a liar, an enslaver, and what not. And because of that he redefined sin. That is why we see the problem with muslims slaughtering, enslaving and subjugating non-muslims for 1400 years right on up to this day.

We have discussed their god allah many times and it is the pagan moon god from mohammed’s pagan religion - Hanifism. He took a rather benign religion and made it into a bloodthirsty cult. And then because he was an illiterate and wanted to convert the pagans of his time, he threw in some Bible stories which he screwed up (and I have asked them to prove that more times than I can count NOT using the koran and hadiths since those are from an illiterate pagan!) and he said that WE are the ones condemned to hades.

And jihad is central to islam, as is the redefinition of sin (halal, haram and shirk). It basically twists killing, subjugation and enslaving into something that is holy.

Centrality of jihad in islam

A quote from the above article:
a quote: **“Muslims are religiously obliged to disseminate the Islamic faith throughout the world… If non-Muslims submit to conversion or subjugation, this call can be pursued peacefully. If they do not, Muslims are obliged to wage war against them.” World peace, according to Islamic teaching, “is reached only with the conversion or submission of all mankind to Islam.” **

 

[brownjt]

You are truly a very contradictory person. You know what Christians believe in, yet you conjure images of paganism in your mind. It’s like suddenly, Beelzebub has left the building for just a few seconds.

I an totally lost by what you mean. The devil works on all mankind - muslims and christians in different ways. All the muslims should do a study of the historical Jesus and learn from his example and teachings and closeness to God if they (and they do) not accept our definition of him. They should also read their Koran and tell me who will free the world and judge all the world and defeat their version n of our anti-christ - it is JESUS. To the Muslims - study the historical Jesus and use it to increase your understanding of him in YOUR faith.

 

[planten]

The message Muhammad brought is problematic for many reasons. It rejects the Divine Sonship of Jesus, rejects that He was Crucified, introduces several other innovative ideas and then claims to be a final revelation that requires our faith.

We can unify on the fact that we are both monotheistic and share several moral values.

**TomaszA, Yes, it is correct. Islam does not admit any son for God. Any man as God. Any animal as worthy of worship. Only God is divine. Islam does not admit that Jesus had died on the cross. He only appeared as if dead.

There are no innovatives. Abraham was not a Jew or a christian. We have same faith as had Abraham and his children. This new systen of three in One creates complications. What are these three? Are they not gods? Yes, they are according to the christians. So even if they are then going back into the One God, what use it is? It proves that there are some gods beside the Big God.
This belief is alien to the belief of Abraham, Ishmael, Issac and Jacob. We do not fight the christians. They can continue on whatever they believe. But they should not expect that any Muslim or Jew will follow in their footsteps.

The advice in the last para shown in TomaszA post is good. We should look for the commanalities of the two great religions, christianity and Islam. But there are enemies sitting nearby. They do not allow any one to see anything good. They are active in dividing the two great religions further apart. Who could be these enemies? I would not name them.**

 

[cathopologist]

I an totally lost by what you mean. The devil works on all mankind - muslims and christians in different ways. All the muslims should do a study of the historical Jesus and learn from his example and teachings and closeness to God if they (and they do) not accept our definition of him. They should also read their Koran and tell me who will free the world and judge all the world and defeat their version n of our anti-christ - it is JESUS. To the Muslims - study the historical Jesus and use it to increase your understanding of him in YOUR faith.

I was referring to planten’s seemingly dual-personality. He is like a Manichean trapped in an Ahmaddiyan’s body.

 

[planten]

That is not the problem! The problem is that they follow a prophet who was a looter, a mass murderer, a marauding gangster, a pedophile, an assasin, a lustful womanizer, a liar, an enslaver, and what not. And because of that he redefined sin. That is why we see the problem with muslims slaughtering, enslaving and subjugating non-muslims for 1400 years right on up to this day.

We have discussed their god allah many times and it is the pagan moon god from mohammed’s pagan religion - Hanifism. He took a rather benign religion and made it into a bloodthirsty cult. And then because he was an illiterate and wanted to convert the pagans of his time, he threw in some Bible stories which he screwed up (and I have asked them to prove that more times than I can count NOT using the koran and hadiths since those are from an illiterate pagan!) and he said that WE are the ones condemned to hades.

And jihad is central to islam, as is the redefinition of sin (halal, haram and shirk). It basically twists killing, subjugation and enslaving into something that is holy.

Centrality of jihad in islam

A quote from the above article:
a quote: **“Muslims are religiously obliged to disseminate the Islamic faith throughout the world… If non-Muslims submit to conversion or subjugation, this call can be pursued peacefully. If they do not, Muslims are obliged to wage war against them.” World peace, according to Islamic teaching, “is reached only with the conversion or submission of all mankind to Islam.” **

**R_Not, I tell you that you are a kafir. And your Jesus was the greatest cheater and liar. He tried to be the king of the Jews. But when he was caught, he changed his wordings and said that his kingdom was not of this world. See his cleverness?

I may have to discuss the doubtful (manner) birth of your Jesus again on this forum with more emphasis soon.
**

 

[planten]

**For R_Not, since you enjoy accusations, and you called our prophet a womaniser, may I tell you that YOUR Jesus had some secret relations with Mary Magd. Why was that? It is being reported that your Jesus was secretly married to that Mary. She had been rubbing his feet with her hair and poured a very costly oil on his head.

Then she was present very early morning near the tomb to anoint Jesus with perfumes, on Sunday morning. Why was she there if she was not related. Please R_Not explain these secret womanising missions of your Jesus.**

 

[swariffin]

That ‘religion of peace’ is at it again…

Well, it seems that a fatwa has been issued that says that muslims can hack into sites that question/discuss islam. As usual - they don’t want anyone to discuss islam or else they might find out that their ‘religion’ has a lot of problems with it!! Anyone with a tiny bit of common sense can see the problems with islam! And wherever it is allowed to rule the country they have the worst human rights abuses. But, sssshhh, even the UN has decreed that no one is to associate that with islam!

Anyway, here is the article:

don’t discuss islam, or else we will hack into your website!

I hope our web owners know about this and take the proper precautions.

**Non-Muslims in Malaysia have been warned by state rulers not to question the supremacy of Islam or the special privileges given to the Malay Muslim majority there. The Muslim rulers have said that questioning of Islam and the superior standing of Islam “can lead to disunity and racial strife that can undermine the peace and harmony”. In other words just shut up, convert or live like a dhimmi.

This week a fatwa issued by a committee from the highest authority in Sunni Islam, Egypt’s Al-Azhar University in Cairo has stated that Muslims have the right under Islam to hack into the websites of non-Muslims that are fighting back in the information war.

Approximately two months ago the Human Rights Council at the United Nations had banned any criticism regarding Sharia Law and human rights in the Islamic world.** Muslims are obviously very worried that the ugly truth about Islam is getting out to more and more people, which means that we are doing a good job. Keep up the good work everyone!

Doing so, will be subjected to ISA (Internal Security Acts) in which the government can imprison anybody “suspected” of “terrorism” without trial.

 

[swariffin]

**R_Not, I tell you that you are a kafir. And your Jesus was the greatest cheater and liar. He tried to be the king of the Jews. But when he was caught, he changed his wordings and said that his kingdom was not of this world. See his cleverness?

I may have to discuss the doubtful (manner) birth of your Jesus again on this forum with more emphasis soon.
**

Oh yeah, and how come an Intelligent Roman Governor Pilate ever declared Jesus NOT GUILTY.

 

[swariffin]

Swariffin, That is a good post. Islam means submission to the will of Allah. You believe in Allah/God then you are a believer (Momin). You believe in God via Jesus. And holy spirit. That is alright. But do not make Jesus or holy spirit as god or partner with God.

I believe that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His messenger. The name of Muhamamd is a permanent part of my faith. It is permanently attached with the name of Allah. Nobody can separate it. But it does not mean that Muhammad is a god. In fact it means that Muhammad is a servant and messenger of Allah. That is our Kalimah.

Similarly, you should have the name of Jesus and even holy spirit with the name of God because they are the source of the light for you which leads you to God.

Only the Muslims have a Kalimah. The other religions do not have any Kalimah. But still they can use the name of their prophet. As long as they do not abuse any one and they are peaceful doing good deeds, they have nothing to fear (Verse 2:62 of Quran). More later, Wassalam.

Jesus = God is the same as Words of God = God. That is with respect to human being. With respect to God, there is no need for Trinity. God does not have to reveal to Himself. God = Words of God = Jesus and Spirit of God = God is proof of the love of God who lower Himself in order for human to be able to tune in to God. Without God revealing Himself in the way the human are capable to perceive, it will be difficult for human to grasp the existence of God. God allows human to use their intelligence, feelings, cognitive, and gifts to receive His love. That what the bible came from. God did not come to human with a book of rules that must be follow no matter what. That is the beauty of the Love of God. That is the thing that you missed. Not your fault, off course. But, to the limitation that Muhammad “accidently” imposed to you.

 

[dolphinlove]

**R_Not, I tell you that you are a kafir. And your Jesus was the greatest cheater and liar. He tried to be the king of the Jews. But when he was caught, he changed his wordings and said that his kingdom was not of this world. See his cleverness?

I may have to discuss the doubtful (manner) birth of your Jesus again on this forum with more emphasis soon.
**

You are lost.
And dont you EVER again call Jesus those names.
You will already have to answer to him for your blasphemous ways, but the name calling is now going to far.

 

[swariffin]

You are lost.
And dont you EVER again call Jesus those names.
You will already have to answer to him for your blasphemous ways, but the name calling is now going to far.

My dear Sister,

Please calm down. Remember that Jesus still spent sometime to forgive everybody persecuting him, despite all the pain and suffering He endured. Isn’t it better to forgive those who disbelief Jesus as taught by Him, rather than kill those disbeliefers as taught by other?

 

[Sam_777]

**R_Not, I tell you that you are a kafir. And your Jesus was the greatest cheater and liar. He tried to be the king of the Jews. But when he was caught, he changed his wordings and said that his kingdom was not of this world. See his cleverness?

I may have to discuss the doubtful (manner) birth of your Jesus again on this forum with more emphasis soon.
**

You are lost.
And dont you EVER again call Jesus those names.
You will already have to answer to him for your blasphemous ways, but the name calling is now going to far.

I agree with **dolphinlove **:sad_yes:, planten you are way off base recently :nope:, what is happening to you! .
Again you are the one who is questioning the credibility of Jesus birth and life and NOT them, so you are the one who should STOP such non sense questions because its already answered in your faith:
(Quran 21:91):
“And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a Sign for all peoples.”

(Quran 66:12):
“And Maryam, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of his Revelations, and was one of the devout (Servants).”

Please do not force us to report you to the Moderator .

 

[Angelos]

**R_Not, I tell you that you are a kafir. And your Jesus was the greatest cheater and liar. He tried to be the king of the Jews. But when he was caught, he changed his wordings and said that his kingdom was not of this world. See his cleverness?

I may have to discuss the doubtful (manner) birth of your Jesus again on this forum with more emphasis soon.
**

Thanks for being honest for the first time and showing the true face of Islamic doctrines, which generally have a double face.

Planten, there is no qitman or taqiyya in this post of yours. Thanks for revealing how Islam actually views Jesus. Islam has no respect for the figures and tenets of other religions.

 

[morning_star777]

**R_Not, I tell you that you are a kafir. And your Jesus was the greatest cheater and liar. He tried to be the king of the Jews. But when he was caught, he changed his wordings and said that his kingdom was not of this world. See his cleverness?

I may have to discuss the doubtful (manner) birth of your Jesus again on this forum with more emphasis soon.
**

Planten I never expected such a hateful post from you.Jesus is our Lord and you also claim that he is one of your prophet.But you proved that muslim do not respect lord jesus or other jewish and christians prophet.islam just tried to use our lord.Muslims love only Muhammed and all prophets are meaningless to them.You proved it.