Islam's claim about Mohammad

[TarAshly]

Booklover:

** YOUR PROPHET WAS A MAN WHOSE LIFE WAS FILLED WITH VIOLENCE TOWARDS ANYONE WHO DID NOT ACCEPT HIS CLAIMS. HE HAD INNUMERABLE MARRIAGES, HIS LIFE WAS FILLED WITH LICENTIOUSNESS, DEEDS OF RAPINE, WARFARE, CONQUESTS AND UNMERCIFUL BUTCHERIES. HOW CAN YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS MAN WAS SENT BY A LOVING GOD? TAKE A LOOK AT JESUS’ LIFE INSTEAD. HE WAS BORN IN A STABLE AND WAS POOR ALL HIS LIFE, AND HIS LIFE WAS FULL OF SUFFERING AND FINALLY HE GAVE EVERYTHING FOR SINNERS, HE GAVE HIS LIFE AND EVERY DROP OF HIS BLOOD WAS POURED OUT FOR US. HOW CAN YOUR “PROPHET” COMPARE WITH HIM? HE CAN’T, BECAUSE THERE IS NO COMPARISON! **

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Our God is an Awesome God! good job Booklover! i appreciate our guests being here though, lets be sure to make them feel welcomed! Other wise we might not have such an awesome opportunity to evangelize and spread the Good Word! However i agree with you 100%!! there could never be ANY comparison whatsoever!

 

[chb03c]

Faith101:

I was speaking to a coptic orthodox Christian and he explained to me that the moment when Jesus was on the cross and cried out “My God, my God why have you forsaken me” (again from the movie ) that at *this * moment God turned away from Jesus for just a few moments b/c Jesus was bearing all this sin. So, from what I gather, this is a separation. What is your view on this?

I do not believe that God turned his back on Jesus during this dialogue. I have heard other Catholics tell me this and I am not sure if I agreed with what they said. If you read what Coptic posted that should sum up what the interpurtation.

Faith101:

God and human at the same time? What makes this different from greek mythology? I will, God willing, go to the site to get a deeper understanding.

In a way, Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) on this earth was also weak. In the sense that people, according to Christian belief, were able to harm him physically and even crucify him. You can’t do that to God…can u?

This is the whole point. Go wanted to suffer for us, God wanted to walk amoung us. In order to do that he Choose so suffer, and he choose to be tired. Again if my God Choose to do all of that then hey he deserves worship from me.

Faith101:

When God, according to Christian belief, did not forgive Adam/Eve for committing that original sin, which role was that. Was Jesus involved in that (as one of the trinity in the makeup of the One God)? Please forgive me for the seemingly silly questions, i am trying to undesrtand.

Im not sure if I understand what you are asking. Are you asking what role did Jesus have in the fall of man?

Faith101:

He came to a pagan people, who buried their baby daughters, worshipped idols and treated women as property. He set forth to get rid of alll of that and establish the worship of the One Creator. He truly gained nothing from all of this. He was offered power and wealth and denied it. His entire life they called him the trustworthy and the honest, and once he came and threatened their pagan way of living, they called him a liar and magician. He persevered, defending the message.

His message makes sense. I dont need an entire essay and a phD to understand the concept of God. God is one…no BUTS. Mohamed claimed nothing for himself. When people would come to him and say “if God wills and you will” He would get upset and say “do not make me a partner to God, but rather say if God wills *then * you will.” THe more I study his life the more that i am sure that he was sent by God.

Here is a link to help you understand more about how he was like. Make up your own mind. In the end, we will all stand alone in front of God and be questioned for our short time here on earth.

islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/mohamed/1424/misconception/article13.shtml

Thats the opening link, but try to go through the site when you find the time and it’ll answer many questions.

This quote i found interesting, I believe it came from a non-muslim named Bosworth smith, you’ll find it on the site

“He was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without Pope’s pretensions, Caesar without the legions of Caesar: without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue; if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was Mohammed, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports.”

This sounds like a good story and a good quote. The same thing could be said about our Saints, the more we read about there lives the more we know that they really loved God but that doesn’t mean we should follow what they said they are still human. Like I said before if God had a message that was suppose to be so powerful and true, why didn’t he deliver it personally?

Faith101:

I read the first part of Genesis, and i was surprised to learn the Christian’s view of “the fall” especially since much of the time Christians accuse Muslims of worshipping a love-less God. THe Islamic view of this story really points out how Merciful God is.

In the Christian “view” of the fall we look at it as though Adam and Eve Choose the path of damnation. They knew that it was against God’s will to eat the fruit by disobeying God they made a willful atempt to go against God. So while God did kick Adam and Eve out of the garden it was there own sinful behavor that drove them out.

Thank you for not being rude and keeping things polite we have had problems here on the forum in the past .

God Bless,

 

[chb03c]

Booklover:

HE DIDN’T, BECAUSE HE WAS NEVER SENT BY GOD. THE ANGEL GABRIEL NEVER APPEARED TO HIM WITH ANY MESSAGE. HE FABRICATED HIS “REVELATIONS” AND THE QUR’AN IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD. THE BIBLE IS. ANYONE CAN WRITE A BOOK OR HAVE IT WRITTEN FOR HIM AND CLAIM IT WAS “DIVINELY INSPIRED”. A VERY COMMONPLACE “MIRACLE”. ALL SO-CALLED MIRACLES ATTRIBUTED TO HIM, WERE MYTHS AND LEGENDS CONCOCTED BY HIS FOLLOWERS AND WERE “COPIES” OF JESUS’ MIRACLES. WHEN HE WAS ACTUALLY ASKED TO PERFORM A MIRACLE, HE CLAIMED THE "QUR’AN WAS HIS ONLY “MIRACLE” BECAUSE HE KNEW HE DIDN’T HAVE GOD’S POWER TO PERFORM ANY!

I don’t really understand why you are telling me this.

 

[hlgomez]

From Faith 101:

Assuming that God came to earth in flesh and was tortured for all of mankinds sin…Do you feel that everyone now is SURE of who God is? Is the bible clear in this respect? Can I know for a FACT from the bible that Jesus is God?

Faith101,

**I already answered this question on this thread: **

"This is Islam" from post# 358-362

****http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=59075&page=4

FAITH101,

Why don’t you answer my post #22 above? You were asking for proof in the Bible and I gave you numerous verses. Follow the link above and the post #.

Pio

 

[Booklover]

Faith101:

Peace Booklover

If you want the answer to your question…than you should clear your intentions and study Islam for yourself.

It is very difficult for me to imagine the claim that Mohamed (pbuh) was not a prophet from God. Everything in the Quran makes sense. Not only that, but Mohamed (pbuh) was subjected to severe harrasment for declaring that God is one… When offered wealth and power from the Meccans in exchange for him giving up his message…he refused. Although prior to him declaring the truth from God, people had called him the “honest and trustworthy”, he was later called a liar, sometimes a magician…and so was Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) in his time.

If Mohamed was “making it up” why didnt he give himself special powers or status…maybe he could have said that HE was the son of god and not Jesus. But no, the Quran is clear “Mohamed is just a man.” Not only that, but God corrects Mohamed in the Quran when he makes any mistakes.

May God’s peace and blessing be on the last messenger of God

There is nothing I or anyone else can do to make you believe… Truly, people of the past saw great miracles and refused to submit to God

Believe me Faith, there is nothing that you or any other Muslim could tell me that would make me accept Islam and Mohammed. I will never believe in Mohammed’s claims or that the Qur’an is the word of God. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior! Amen!

You think I’m blind and I think you’re the one that’s blind so let’s leave it at that!

 

[Booklover]

chb03c:

I don’t really understand why you are telling me this

I was simply replying to your message about Mohammed delivering the message correctly. There was no message because no one appeared to Mohammed with any such message! Mohammed was one of the false prophets that Jesus warned us about.

 

[TarAshly]

the koran is false.

the prophet muhammed was false.

islam is false.

Catholic brothers and sisters, let us pray that they turn from these falsehoods and turn towards the Truth, the Truth that is Christ, Catholicism, The Holy Spirit, God, The Blessed Mother, The litany of the Saints. the only way we will achieve this is through prayer. we can not attack them, we must befriend them and pray for them. and pray that they will see the light, and turn to the Truth.

I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one goes to the Father except through Me.

 

[chb03c]

Booklover:

I was simply replying to your message about Mohammed delivering the message correctly. There was no message because no one appeared to Mohammed with any such message! Mohammed was one of the false prophets that Jesus warned us about.

I never said Mohammed delivered the message correctly. Read what I wrote I said: “how do you know that Mohammed delivered the message correctly.” I was meerly changing Islam’s claim about Mohammad considering that is the name of the thread.

I don’t understand why asking that question that implies that I want to convert. I am meerly just engaging in a discussion with our guest here.

 

[Booklover]

Faith101:

The only thing special about ANY of these messengers is that God chose them and entrusted them with a message. That is it. WHy did God choose Mohamed? That is part of God wisdom

He didn’t. Mohammed made that up!

I understand the “ultimate sacrifice” for someone to die for you. But it is INJUSTICE for someone to die for something you did NOT commit. Do you know what i mean?
Maybe i’m getting it wrong…what sin did Jesus clear up with his blood?

Jesus Christ died for the sins of all mankind, including yours and mine and anybody else’s who doesn’t believe in him! That’s how much he loves you, me, and everybody else. Think about it! HE ACTUALLY DIED FOR YOU, AND YOU DON’T ACCEPT HIM! You prefer to believe in a man who committed many atrocities. That is really sad!

 

[chb03c]

Booklover:

He didn’t. Mohammed made that up!

Jesus Christ died for the sins of all mankind, including yours and mine and anybody else’s who doesn’t believe in him! That’s how much he loves you, me, and everybody else. Think about it! HE ACTUALLY DIED FOR YOU, AND YOU DON’T ACCEPT HIM! You prefer to believe in a man who committed many atrocities. That is really sad!

I am trying to understand the point of your attacks. Please stay on topic of the Thread. You doing nothing but being annoying.

 

[chb03c]

chb03c:

I never said Mohammed delivered the message correctly. Read what I wrote I said: “how do you know that Mohammed delivered the message correctly.” I was meerly changing Islam’s claim about Mohammad considering that is the name of the thread.

I don’t understand why asking that question that implies that I want to convert. I am meerly just engaging in a discussion with our guest here.

sorry i meant challenging

 

[Booklover]

chb03c:

I am trying to understand the point of your attacks. Please stay on topic of the Thread. You doing nothing but being annoying

You seem to be having a communications problem! I was answering a post by FAITH 101, not by you! Sorry if you’re upset by my posts.

 

[chb03c]

Booklover:

You seem to be having a communications problem! I was answering a post by FAITH 101, not by you! Sorry if you’re upset by my posts.

Well if you are going to make a claim like: “Mohammed made it up” make sure you back it up with proof. I don’t want our guest to get a bad impression of the Catholic faith.

 

[Faith101]

Booklover:

HE DIDN’T, BECAUSE HE WAS NEVER SENT BY GOD. THE ANGEL GABRIEL NEVER APPEARED TO HIM WITH ANY MESSAGE. HE FABRICATED HIS “REVELATIONS” AND THE QUR’AN IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD. THE BIBLE IS. ANYONE CAN WRITE A BOOK OR HAVE IT WRITTEN FOR HIM AND CLAIM IT WAS “DIVINELY INSPIRED”. A VERY COMMONPLACE “MIRACLE”. ALL SO-CALLED MIRACLES ATTRIBUTED TO HIM, WERE MYTHS AND LEGENDS CONCOCTED BY HIS FOLLOWERS AND WERE “COPIES” OF JESUS’ MIRACLES. WHEN HE WAS ACTUALLY ASKED TO PERFORM A MIRACLE, HE CLAIMED THE "QUR’AN WAS HIS ONLY “MIRACLE” BECAUSE HE KNEW HE DIDN’T HAVE GOD’S POWER TO PERFORM ANY!

May God guide you and fogive you.

 

[Faith101]

Booklover:

He didn’t. Mohammed made that up!

Jesus Christ died for the sins of all mankind, including yours and mine and anybody else’s who doesn’t believe in him! That’s how much he loves you, me, and everybody else. Think about it! HE ACTUALLY DIED FOR YOU, AND YOU DON’T ACCEPT HIM! You prefer to believe in a man who committed many atrocities. That is really sad!

Peace Booklover

Jesus Christ (may the peace and blessings of God be upon him) was on this earth before i was born. How then did he die for my sins…i didnt even get a chance to make any!

For my sins I repent to God and He is the most Merciful. Thats it

Booklover, do as Jesus (peace be upon him) commanded and speak kindly. I try to ignore your posts but I just end up feeling bad for you and typing something…I will try not to do that anymore.

May your heart be filled with peace

 

[Faith101]

chb03c:

Well if you are going to make a claim like: “Mohammed made it up” make sure you back it up with proof. I don’t want our guest to get a bad impression of the Catholic faith.

Chb03c

Thanks. I try not to make an impression about any religion by looking at the people following it, so dont worry about that.

 

[chb03c]

Faith101:

Peace Booklover

Jesus Christ (may the peace and blessings of God be upon him) was on this earth before i was born. How then did he die for my sins…i didnt even get a chance to make any!

For my sins I repent to God and He is the most Merciful. Thats it

We believe Jesus died for our individual sins, plus Adams sin. Because it was Adam who introduced the idea of sin to begin with There needed to be a way for people to be forgiven of that. Christ dying on the cross as the sacrifical lamb for the Sader was sufficent enough for the forgivness of sins. Why did it have to be a cross you say? Well for a Sader meal the lamb is cut in such a way that across its chest a giant cross is made. Interesting fact isn’t it? Also no bones could be broken in the lamb, also in the crucifition no bones where broken. Many parallells can be made with Christianity and Jewdaism (spelling). A lot of what Christ did was a fulfillment of Jewish practice. Which is why some things are different now then it was in the Jewish faith. Keep asking questions

God Bless,

 

[Booklover]

Faith101:

Peace Booklover

Jesus Christ (may the peace and blessings of God be upon him) was on this earth before i was born. How then did he die for my sins…i didnt even get a chance to make any!

For my sins I repent to God and He is the most Merciful. Thats it

Booklover, do as Jesus (peace be upon him) commanded and speak kindly. I try to ignore your posts but I just end up feeling bad for you and typing something…I will try not to do that anymore.

May your heart be filled with peace

Peace Faith! Jesus died for all the sins that mankind would commit till the end of the world. If someone else who reads this post can explain it better, please do!

Now Faith, to get back to Islam. I’m sorry if my posts upset you,but those are my feelings about Islam. I believe that because of what I see. While Muslims keep telling us that Islam is a religion of peace there are too many atrocities being committed by them all over the world.

I’m not saying that there aren’t fanatical Christians out there who commit atrocities, but there is nothing in the teachings of Christ that could possibly inspire anyone to do anything like that. Everything he taught was about love and forgiveness. I started reading about Islam after Sept. 11 because I wanted to find out what would make anyone do such terrible things. There are just too many references to violence in the Qur’an and too many Muslims using them to justify their violent actions, and it’s not just the radicals doing this, but ordinary Muslims as well.

Whenever any atrocity is committed against anyone, everyone should be outraged but when Sept. 11 happened, there were people in Pakistan out in the street cheering about what had happened here and those were just ordinary Muslims. Why weren’t they upset as well?

I read an account of a Muslim mother who was thrilled that her son was preparing himself to be a suicide bomber! As a Christian I was horrified when I read this because murder and suicide are terrible sins punishable by everlasting torment in hell.

There was another account of a pregnant Muslim woman with other children I believe,who strapped a bomb to herself, pretended to need help, and when American soldiers came to help, she detonated the bomb! Not only did she leave her other children motherless, kill herself and the soldiers, but her unborn child as well! How can you justify that?

Another account was about an Arab servant who worked for some monks. They all liked and respected each other. One day the Arab servant was given the order to kill the monks. He went to them and told them what he had to do, that he would do it mercifully, and did! This was another ordinary Muslim. Please explain something like that.

In a post by Donna where she cited atrocities committed by Muslims, you responded that that was done by Muslims, but not Islam. What is Islam then, if not Muslims. I don’t understand that.

There was another post by a Muslim that stated that Islam is not what Muslims do, but what they should do. That is a very ambiguous statement. If that is so, then why don’t Muslims do what they should do instead of what they’re doing?

These are some of the reasons why I have so many doubts about Islam as a religion of peace.

Sorry for the longwinded post, but I just want you to understand why I feel as I do.

Vickie

 

[Munawar]

Booklover:

Now Faith, to get back to Islam. I’m sorry if my posts upset you,but those are my feelings about Islam. I believe that because of what I see. While Muslims keep telling us that Islam is a religion of peace there are too many atrocities being committed by them all over the world.

Hello Booklover,

Islam does not allow the killing of innocents. But it does allow Muslims to defend themselves when they are attacked.

Suicide bombings in restaurants is not Islam. Just like Waco Texas is not Christianity.

Munawar

 

[Booklover]

Munawar:

Hello Booklover,

Islam does not allow the killing of innocents. But it does allow Muslims to defend themselves when they are attacked.

Suicide bombings in restaurants is not Islam. Just like Waco Texas is not Christianity.

Munawar

Hello Munawar!

Thanks for the reply. Sorry for straying from the thread though, as another poster keeps reminding me! It’s easy to go off on a tangent sometimes.