Israel 'ready for escalation' of Gaza conflict

[Tomdstone]

Not Palestinian, its a western creation.

Not true. In 390 A.D. , there were two Palestines: Palaestina Prima, Palaestina Secunda, and Palaestina Tertia came later about 500 AD.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Not true. In 390 A.D. , there were two Palestines: Palaestina Prima, Palaestina Secunda, and Palaestina Tertia came later about 500 AD.

Western creation as I said.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Because they are used to transport weapons also, but not exclusively.

Exclusively weapons into Jerusalem.

 

[Tomdstone]

And then set out with rockets, tunnels and human shields, suicide bombers, along with verbal confirmation to do exactly this and this month. And further teach this doctrine to children. .

Well, what does Israel teach their children? Does it teach them to love the Palestinians? You might want to read: Galia Zalmanson Levi, “Teaching the book of Joshua and the Conquest,” in "The Militarization of Education, "(2005) by Haggith Go Ziv (ed). It is known that students in Israel, as part of their education are taught:
Deut 20:16 “But of those cities that shall be given thee, thou shalt suffer none at all to live: [17] But shalt kill them with the edge of the sword, to wit, the Hethite, and the Amorrhite, and the Chanaanite, the Pherezite, and the Hevite, and the Jebusite, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee”
and Josh 6:21: The tribes of Israel “killed all that were in it, man and woman, young and old. The oxen also and the sheep, and the asses, they slew with the edge of the sword.”
Josh 11:11 :“And he cut off all the souls that abode there: he left not in it any remains, but utterly destroyed all, and burned the city itself with fire. [12] And he took and put to the sword and destroyed all the cities round about, and their kings, as Moses the servant of God had commanded him. [13] Except the cities that were on hills and high places, the rest Israel burned: only Asor that was very strong he consumed with fire. [14] And the children of Israel divided among themselves all the spoil of these cities and the cattle, killing all the men.”

Please see Galia Zalmanson Levi, “Teaching the book of Joshua and the Conquest,” in "The Militarization of Education, "(2005) by Haggith Go Ziv (ed).

 

[Tomdstone]

Western creation as I said.

Palestine at that time was part of Byzantium, not the western Roman empire. And there were people living there.

 

[GaryTaylor]

You might want to read

Thanks, what is your point?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Palestine at that time was part of Byzantium, not the western Roman empire. And there were people living there.

Byzantium was the eastern part of the Roman empire.

There were people in the area in the Bible too, I linked it for you to read. But there is no Palestine, not factual. Read for example Mark Twain, Innocents Abroad on his documentation of the Holy Land. There was nothing there, no one in the 1800s. No evidence exists to support the proposed theory today, its a lie. Its a western creation.

 

[Tomdstone]

Thanks, what is your point?

Even though the teaching of the murder and extermination of non-Jews has been proven to be pedagogically destructive, the Israeli education system insists on including these accounts in the Bible for the Israelites to completely destroy and kill every non-Jew man and woman, both young and old, every ox, every sheep, every donkey.

 

[GaryTaylor]

“There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that’s too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today… No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough”.

Joseph Farah, “Myths of the Middle East”

“There is no such country as Palestine. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. ‘Palestine’ is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it”.

Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab, 1937

“There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent (valley of Jezreel, Galilea); not for thirty miles in either direction… One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings. For the sort of solitude to make one dreary, come to Galilee… Nazareth is forlorn… Jericho lies a mouldering ruin… Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation… untenanted by any living creature… A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds… a silent, mournful expanse… a desolation… We never saw a human being on the whole route… Hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil had almost deserted the country… Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes… desolate and unlovely…”.

Mark Twain, “The Innocents Abroad”, 1867

“The area was underpopulated and remained economically stagnant until the arrival of the first Zionist pioneers in the 1880’s, who came to rebuild the Jewish land. The country had remained “The Holy Land” in the religious and historic consciousness of mankind, which associated it with the Bible and the history of the Jewish people. Jewish development of the country also attracted large numbers of other immigrants - both Jewish and Arab. The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track suitable for transport by camels and carts… Houses were all of mud. No windows were anywhere to be seen… The plows used were of wood… The yields were very poor… The sanitary conditions in the village [Yabna] were horrible… Schools did not exist… The rate of infant mortality was very high… The western part, toward the sea, was almost a desert… The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many ruins of villages were scattered over the area, as owing to the prevalence of malaria, many villages were deserted by their inhabitants”.

British Royal Commission, 1913

The Roman emperor Hadrian invented the name: “Palaestina”. The “Philistines” was where the latin term derived from. They were nomads

 

[GaryTaylor]

Even though the teaching of the murder and extermination of non-Jews has been proven to be pedagogically destructive, the Israeli education system insists on including these accounts in the Bible for the Israelites to completely destroy and kill every non-Jew man and woman, both young and old, every ox, every sheep, every donkey.

Its a myth just like Palestine.

 

[Tomdstone]

There was nothing there, no one in the 1800s. No evidence exists to support the proposed theory today, its a lie.

Oh really? A lie?
No evidence at all, eh? No one lived there in 1800s?
This is not true.
In 1800 the POPULATION IN PALESTINE WEST OF JORDAN RIVER was 275,000.
In 1890 the POPULATION IN PALESTINE WEST OF JORDAN RIVER was 532,000.
See page 5, table 2 of:
archive-iussp.org/Brazil2001/s60/S64_02_dellapergola.pdf

 

[Tomdstone]

Its a myth just like Palestine.

I gave the source and the reference. Anyone can check it out.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I gave the source and the reference. Anyone can check it out.

The source in the Bible. The rest is a fairy tale. The Philistines ceased to exist in Scripture. Thats the other arab lie of which their are many. The people of the Bible are not Arab as the DNA proves. And to make a long story short Mohammed never was around till the 7th century. So basically as I said earlier the lands and borders were conquered, as they were by Rome too, and everyone else in history. They didn’t conquer with flowers. Mohammed is well documented. A tryrant and robber. King David and the Philistines, Samson etc. The Biblical inhabitants of todays Palestine were not Arab.

Are you comprehending this?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Oh really? A lie?
No evidence at all, eh? No one lived there in 1800s?
This is not true.
In 1800 the POPULATION IN PALESTINE WEST OF JORDAN RIVER was 275,000.
In 1890 the POPULATION IN PALESTINE WEST OF JORDAN RIVER was 532,000.
See page 5, table 2 of:
archive-iussp.org/Brazil2001/s60/S64_02_dellapergola.pdf

The table is consistent with the factual history which is recorded and I showed you. Look at the numbers from 1800 to 1900. And I can assure you those are not accurate. Its an educated guess. A grand total of 550 people of various backgrounds Jews, Christians and Arab. Further reading of Twain states he saw 1-person for every 10-miles he traveled. And of course they would been Jewish, Christian and Arab. Thats an eyewitness account.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Even though the teaching of the murder and extermination of non-Jews has been proven

This is a factual teaching today of “Hamas doctrine” and was announced this year in public. The videos are linked in this thread, and its Hamas leaders who in fact state the extermination of the Jews is required by jihad and their understanding of it.

Show me a recent public statement by anyone in the Israel government to support your theory. I provided factual proof, you recommended a book which is recent opinion and not fact.

 

[grotto]

Are you sure that these are terror tunnels and not survival methods for the Palestinians to obtain consumer goods and medical supplies which have been blocked by Israel?

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I am sure. The terrorists climbing out of the tunnel were not in there for sandwiches and bandaids!

 

[Tomdstone]

Its a myth just like Palestine.

“Palestine in the ancient world was part of the region known as Canaan and, later, the region where the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah were located…most likely, the name derives from the Greek for `the Land of the Philistines’.
The Philistines (thought to be from Crete and, certainly, from the Aegean area) landed on the southern Mediterranean coast of the region known as Canaan in circa 1194 BCE after being repulsed in their invasion of Egypt (along with the Sea Peoples) by Rameses III. By 1185 BCE they had established themselves firmly in settlements along the coast known as Philistia. Other, older, settlements were already thriving in the area upon their arrival and the Philistines went quickly to work to subdue the area and benefit from the wealth there found. According to Biblical narratives, the Philistines were organized and efficient enough to cause the early Israelite tribes and cities a great deal of trouble. They were first defeated by the Israelite King David (c. 1000-960 BCE) but continued to thrive along the coast and harass their neighbors…After the Bar-Kochba revolt of 132-136 CE, however, the Emperor Hadrian was so enraged by Jewish resistance that he re-named the province Syria Palaestina (after the two traditional enemies of the Jews, the Syrians and the Philistines) and banished all Jews from the region, building his city Aelia Capitolinia on the ruins of Jerusalem.
With the rise of the Eastern Empire under Constantine the Great, Palestine became a Christian province and remained so from 330-640 CE when the land fell to invading Muslim forces. Palestine continued to be a war-torn and much contested region up through the time of the Crusades and, of course, even to the present day.”
ancient.eu/palestine/

 

[Tomdstone]

This is a factual teaching today of “Hamas doctrine” and was announced this year in public. The videos are linked in this thread, and its Hamas leaders who in fact state the extermination of the Jews is required by jihad and their understanding of it.

Show me a recent public statement by anyone in the Israel government to support your theory. I provided factual proof, you recommended a book which is recent opinion and not fact.

You cut my quote, making it appear that I said something, which I did not say.

 

[Tomdstone]

Its a myth just like Palestine.

Palestine is not a myth, according to Christians who have visited the area:
A Christian pilgrim from Bordeaux describes his journey to “Palestine, which is Judea” in 333 AD in “Journey from Bordeaux” in “Holy Land Travels: Christian Pilgrimage in Late Antiquity”.
Egeria, possibly an abess from the Iberian peninsula describes her journey to “Palestine, which is the land of Promise,” (381 AD) in “Diary of a Pilgrimage”.

 

[GaryTaylor]

"Palestine in the ancient world was part of the region known as Canaan and,

This has been covered. Canaan consists of North and South tribes and are better known in history by their Greek name of the Phoenicians. No united kingdom, they were not a warlike people but traders, seafarers and builders. Their language was adopted from the Arameans, and was closely related to Hebrew not Arabic. The DNA recently proved this and their present day state of Lebanon, incorrectly regarded as an “Arab” country.