Israel 'ready for escalation' of Gaza conflict

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Tomdstone said:
Palestine is not a myth,".
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It is not in the Bible and is a myth, created by the Roman Empire-the West of which the Eastern Church also belonged. All document in previous pages. So the two Islamic lies intersect at this point. Rome named Palestine after the Philistines, thus the two myths. Philistines and today’s Palestinians have much in common: both are invaders from other lands. That is the meaning of their name Peleshet, from the verb “pelesh”, “dividers”, “penetrators” or “invaders”. They arrived from Crete, Aegean Islands and Asia Minor.
 
Tomdstone said:
You cut my quote, making it appear that I said something, which I did not say.
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This is a factual teaching today of “Hamas doctrine” and was announced this year in public. The videos are linked in this thread, and its Hamas leaders who in fact state the extermination of the Jews is required by jihad and their understanding of it.
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Show me a recent public statement by anyone in the Israel government to support your theory. I provided factual proof, you recommended a book which is recent opinion and not fact.
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I take it you don’t have a public statement from today’s Israeli government? Don’t you realize then that your proposition is false?

What is true is those living in Gaza are taught an incorrect history of Gaza. As I said those of age 50 and older who can actually trace their roots, don’t have any in a land where only a handful of Christians, Jew and Arabs lived.

Sad and troubling but apparently the truth. Its happening all the time now with science, archaeology and history.
 
GaryTaylor said:
I take it you don’t have a public statement from today’s Israeli government? Don’t you realize then that your proposition is false?

What is true is those living in Gaza are taught an incorrect history of Gaza. As I said those of age 50 and older who can actually trace their roots, don’t have any in a land where only a handful of Christians, Jew and Arabs lived.

Sad and troubling but apparently the truth. Its happening all the time now with science, archaeology and history.
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You dishonestly cut my quote.
 
GaryTaylor said:
It is not in the Bible and is a myth, created by the Roman Empire-the West of which the Eastern Church also belonged. All document in previous pages. So the two Islamic lies intersect at this point. Rome named Palestine after the Philistines, thus the two myths. Philistines and today’s Palestinians have much in common: both are invaders from other lands. That is the meaning of their name Peleshet, from the verb “pelesh”, “dividers”, “penetrators” or “invaders”. They arrived from Crete, Aegean Islands and Asia Minor.
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This is vicious anti-Palestinian propaganda.
 
Tomdstone said:
This is vicious anti-Palestinian propaganda.
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I do find it interesting that baseless assertions from Hamas are taken as unvarnished truth, while documented history is called “vicious anti-Palestinian propaganda”.
 
Tomdstone said:
You claim that Palestine was created by the west. In what year was Palestine created?
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Roman Emperor Hadrian in 135 A.D created the convoluted history, still propaganda today. The term is not in the NT.
One of the first Christian uses of the term Palestine is found in the works of the Church historian Eusebius, who lived in Caesarea. He wrote around 300 A.D., as the Roman persecution of Christians was ending and the Emperor Constantine began to accept Christianity as legal. Eusebius did not accept Hadrian’s designation of Jerusalem as Aelia Capitalina, but he did use Hadrian’s term Palestine. Eusebius considered himself to be one of the bishops of Palestine. Thus, the anti-Israel, anti-Christian name of Palestine was assimilated into the Church’s vocabulary as the Byzantine Empire was being established.
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google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.levitt.com%2Fessays%2Fpalestine.html&ei=vPjqU_7YF8ybyAT0n4BQ&usg=AFQjCNGLnvCTbb0Qo7sXau1QC9fEip8v5A
 
Seamus_L said:
Lebanon’s Foreign Minister Gebran Bassil, a Maronite Christian (Catholic) has compared Israel with ISIL
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                             “Is there any doubt of a link or common interest between what Israel is doing in Gaza and what ISIS is doing in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon?” Bassil asked.
dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2014/Aug-12/266995-bassil-israel-and-isis-speak-same-language.ashx#axzz3ADGaUq4R
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I don’t think opinion has much to do with historical facts. He seems conflicted himself.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fenglish.al-akhbar.com%2Fnode%2F14483&ei=qGDrU6OfM6768AHBpID4BQ&usg=AFQjCNHCQwbBqe9t6aIkKDhfBCUUShfb0Q
“When we say we don’t want Syrian and Palestinian refugees, it is because they take our place,” Bassil said.
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His integrity is questionable. 😉
 
IDF just twitted: Gaza terrorists have breached the ceasefire & launched a rocket at Israel, hitting the Hof Ashkelon regional council.

Reuters: Israeli police confirm rocket fired from Gaza landed in southern Israel. reut.rs/1vIRN5L
 
Monkey1976 said:
I do find it interesting that baseless assertions from Hamas are taken as unvarnished truth, while documented history is called “vicious anti-Palestinian propaganda”.
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These are not basless assertions from Hamas, but simple facts concerning the Palestinian people. A poster claims that Palestine was created by Emperor Hadrian in 135 AD. But we know that Judea was a Roman province in 6 AD, and was under the leadership of a prefect, one of whom was Pontius Pilate. In 135 AD, Hadrian, simply changed the name of the province of Judea to Palestine. He did not create Palestine, but only changed the name from the Province of Judea to Palestine in response to the Bar Cochba rebellion. He also changed the name of Jerusalem at that time.
The history of Palestine is much earlier than that, however.
In Arabic, the word for Palestinian is Philistine.
The Philistines were an Aegean people, driven out of Greece and the Aegean islands in 1300 BC. They settled in southern Palestine and founded a number of city states, including The 5trh century BC historian Herodotus uses the term Palestine or Palestinians. According to Joshua 13:3 and 1 Samuel 6:17, the land of the Philistines consisted of the five city-states of Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gath. Referencences to Palastu (or Palestine) appear in Egyptian texts of 1150 BC.

If you will go to the book The Philistines and Other “Sea Peoples” in Text and Archaeology
edited by Ann E. Killebrew
you will see that several scholars, including Kohlmeyer, T. Harrison, and Sass say that the name Palistin should be used instead of Philisitne. This is because in part, the Aleppo temple inscription of King Taita of Padasatini has the term Palistin used in reference to the ethnicity of King Taita.
 
TheAdvocate said:
For those of you wishing to hear a different perspective about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict:

democracynow.org/2014/8/7/a_hideous_atrocity_noam_chomsky_on

Warning: this only applies to those who have an open mind, willing to honestly consider others’ interpretation of events. Hardened hearts need not apply.
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Interesting observations. It should be noted that Mr. Chomsky is of Jewish background, so it would be questionable to call him anti-semitic.
"…we haven’t spoken to you throughout the Israeli assault on Gaza. Your comments on what has just taken place?

NOAM CHOMSKY: It’s a hideous atrocity, sadistic, vicious, murderous, totally without any credible pretext. It’s another one of the periodic Israeli exercises in what they delicately call “mowing the lawn.” That means shooting fish in the pond, to make sure that the animals stay quiet in the cage that you’ve constructed for them…"
 
Tomdstone said:
Interesting observations. It should be noted that Mr. Chomsky is of Jewish background, so it would be questionable to call him anti-semitic.
"…we haven’t spoken to you throughout the Israeli assault on Gaza. Your comments on what has just taken place?

NOAM CHOMSKY: It’s a hideous atrocity, sadistic, vicious, murderous, totally without any credible pretext. It’s another one of the periodic Israeli exercises in what they delicately call “mowing the lawn.” That means shooting fish in the pond, to make sure that the animals stay quiet in the cage that you’ve constructed for them…"
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You ever notice how some of the most virulent anti-Catholics are those who have left the Church? Sames holds true with Judaism…
 
St_Francis said:
You ever notice how some of the most virulent anti-Catholics are those who have left the Church? Sames holds true with Judaism…
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This still does not make him anti-Semitic. He is against Israeli policy—very different.
 
St_Francis said:
You ever notice how some of the most virulent anti-Catholics are those who have left the Church? Sames holds true with Judaism…
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Indeed it’s sometimes a thin line between antisemitism and anti-Zionism, even among Jews. While I regard myself as liberal, I think Chomsky’s uber-liberalism, as well as that of Amy Goodman of “Democracy Now” (a show I sometimes watch), who is also Jewish, almost compels them to take the side of the underdog, in this case the Palestinians, without questioning.
 
The ceasefire talks in Egypt were inconclusive on Saturday, with Hamas feeling impatient at the lack of progress. Osama Hamdan, the head of Hamas’s foreign affairs, stated that a return to conflict, possibly a long war, was likely unless its demands were met. No details were reported, but Israel said that it has not agreed to any proposals so far.

Both sides will meet again on Sunday to discuss a permanent ceasefire. The current temporary one expires on Monday night.

reuters.com/article/2014/08/16/us-mideast-gaza-hamas-talks-idUSKBN0GG0FH20140816

I think both sides will need patience and forbearance in the days ahead.
 
meltzerboy said:
While I regard myself as liberal, I think Chomsky’s uber-liberalism, as well as that of Amy Goodman of “Democracy Now” (a show I sometimes watch), who is also Jewish, almost compels them to take the side of the underdog, in this case the Palestinians, without questioning.
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What sets the work of Choamsky apart, in my opinion, is the depth of research. The footnotes and bibliography are extensive and his documentation enables those who agree or disagree with his conclusions to check his facts.
His pro-democracy viewpoint tends to run through the works which I have read. the scholarship exhibited in The Fateful Triangle: The United States, Israel, and the Palestinians seemed quite solid when I read it. Perhaps it is time for a second read.
I caught about half of the radio interview while commuting to work and found it thoughtful, informative, and provocative-which I would expect from Choamsky based upon previous readings.
 
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