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freeRadical
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Links to what?
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7_Sorrows
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How about ignoring reality?
I strongly disagree that Israeli actions have caused this. Again, one can see Israel’s approach to its neighbors in its relations with Egypt and Jordan. No attacks, no incursions. They live in peace with Egypt and Jordan because Egypt and Jordan have chosen to accept Israel’s existence and live in peace with Israel.
The Palestinians have often been offered the same. All they have to do is accept Israel’s right to exist, and accept the two-state solution often offered. They don’t even choose to accept a truce deal offered by the Egyptians!
We have in the past, and not always correctly, made choices as to bad guys and good guys, who has the moral high ground. Even when considering the Versailles Treaty, we accepted France and England as the good guys against the Nazis (and yes, I think the comparison to Hamas is appropriate).
The cycle is always restarted by Hamas (and Hezbollah). All they need to do is leave Israel in peace.
Jon
Has Canada denied our right to exist? Is Canada teaching her children that America is not on a map of the region?
Defining civilians, until recently, had to do with military personnel being uniforms, and not hiding within the populations of non-uniformed people - children, the elderly, etc. Israel purs its soldiers right there on the front line, in uniform. Hamas, OTOH, hides behind the shield of women and children.
Jon
Permission? Why would Israel need someone’s permission to defend its people and land?
Any nation has the right to do so. No one needs the UN to do that.
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7_Sorrows
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Look at what happened in Paris. The rabbi at the synagogue wanted to have an event for peace and to bring together jews and muslims in paris. It turned into a huge riot and the jewish people were attacked.
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graciew
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Look at what happened in Buenos Aires yesterday… It is 20 years now terrorists blew the AMIA ( Israelite Mutual Argentine Association), 85 dead 300 injured. Catholic archb wanted to have an event for peace and to bring together Jews and Muslims . It turned into a time of prayer and compassion in the main Cathedral where Jews, Catholic and Muslim main religious authorities came together and no one was attacked.
And if I am not mistaken, Argentina has the largest,or about Muslim And Jewish population in Latin America.
Another version of a chance for peace.
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graciew
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No, I meant to ask,cause I don’t know,if there is any religious principle supporting/ giving them some kind of reason for self defense as well. I am just trying to understand their mindset.Not mine.
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7_Sorrows
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Happy to see argentina the 3 faiths could come together peacefully.
Unfortunately the paris riots point to the rise of anti-semitism in europe.
Unfortunately the paris riots point to the rise of anti-semitism in europe.
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7_Sorrows
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You don’t understand Israel’s mindset for self defense?
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Hobbes42
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This is ever so slightly ignorant. Germany at the end of the First World War was not, in any way, a National Socialist government.
The National Socialist party did not even exist until well after the end of the First World War.
This is a typical American mindset-German=Nazi
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graciew
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Under a religious Jewish perspective. I am not Jewish,I do not know if there is one.You don’t understand Israel’s mindset for self defense?
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graciew
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We know nobody " owns" peace in present days.
But each step towards it is worth pointing out.
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7_Sorrows
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Have you ever read the Old Testament?
or
Wanderings-Chaim Potok’s History of the Jews
or
Jews, God and History by Max I. Dimont
All 3 are recommended.
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graciew
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I don’ t want to be right, Seraphim. That’s not what I am here in this forum for. They know their motives,I don’t. I am only trying to understand their perspectives, I know my perspective already.
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graciew
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Thank you.
Then you totally misread my comment. Versailles led to economically disasterous circumstances that allowed Hitler to, effectively. topple the Weimar Republic. I did not say, nor even imply in the slightest, that Germany under Weimar was National Socialist.This is ever so slightly ignorant. Germany at the end of the First World War was not, in any way, a National Socialist government.
The National Socialist party did not even exist until well after the end of the First World War.
This is a typical American mindset-German=Nazi
So, to an extent, the Allied powers who crafted the Versailles Treaty and its onerous economic rules,etc., were in some ways complicit (unknowingly, of course) in creating the circumstances that led to Hitler’s rise.
That was the meaning of my post.
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graciew
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I did read the Old Testament.
But I do not know if they/ or a group perceives there is any religious support for their decisions.
Something you grow up with and becomes truth for you.
. Maybe stemming from the Old Testament but not precisely what God is saying. Do you understand what I mean? I may not be clear explaining it… I was just wondering.
So, why the question? Do you believe Israel would be better off laying down their arms?
Perhaps the only legitimate criticism of the Jews leading up to the Holocaust was that they did little initially to defend themselves. One of the many legitimate criticisms of Christians in Germany - Lutheran, Catholic, and Reformed - was they did little and said less to defend the Jews.
Perhaps the Israelis have learned from history.
Jon
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