Israel 'ready for escalation' of Gaza conflict

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Its sad but some sect of the world has been killing and enslaving the Jews for some time. I think its all supernatural.
 
Timothysis said:
Epic fail.

The only people in the world who agree with you are terrorist states that support terrorism. The evidence of Hamas’ terrorist activities is so vast as to make your statement laughable if it wasn’t so hopelessly ignorant. Who, exactly, are they resisting by supporting the terrorist groups in Syria against the government? You know, the terrorists who are destroying Christian churches and killing ancient Christian communities?

Get a clue.
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gnjsdad said:
The leaflets are just propaganda. Tiny Gaza affords no safe place for civilians.

Politically, this Israeli operation will fail. Hamas will prevail in the end. I think, strategically, the Israeli operation is a mistake, based on the false premise that Hamas is a “terrorist” organization. In fact, it is a resistance movement which has support among the population. It won’t matter how many rockets they find and destroy or how many leaders they kill. New ones will arise to take their place. Every action Israel takes in this operation will only strengthen the hold Hamas has over Gaza’s population. That’s why resistance movements are so effective.

The only real chance Israel has if it really wants to put an end to the rocket fire is to begin serious negotiations with Hamas, which has demonstrated in the past a willingness to abide by truces.
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One analysis I heard shows that Hamas is doing this to play the Western liberal media like a fiddle.

Looks like they’ve succeeded and then some.
 
It’s obvious to me that if some commentators on this issue had their way, Hamas and ISIS would be able to open up fronts in Europe and North America.

The clock is ticking on Western liberalism.

Good day!

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SuperLuigi said:
Does the article also say that Hamas is intentionally putting civilians in harms way because they know the Western media outlets like the CBC will run those stories?

I guess not.
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The UN yesterday found 20 rockets hidden in a Gaza School. When Hamas launches rockets into Israel do they target military targets or just launch them towards a town and hope it kills someone?
 
Why Hamas fires those rockets
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MANY Gazans, not just their leaders in Hamas, think they have little to lose by fighting on. For one thing, the spotlight has been switched back onto them since the Israeli campaign began earlier this month. In Gazan eyes, Hamas gains from the violence because the outside world may, as a result of the grim publicity generated by the bloodshed, feel obliged to consider its grievances afresh. This week Hamas issued a ten-point plan. A ceasefire, it suggested, could be followed by a ten-year truce. Among its key demands were a lifting of the siege of Gaza and the release of prisoners. Gaza’s seaport and airport would be reopened and monitored by the UN.
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After the last big Israeli effort to stop the rockets, in November 2012, it was agreed that, along with a ceasefire, the blockade of Gaza would gradually be lifted and the crossings into Egypt and Israel would be opened. The ceasefire generally held, but the siege continued. As Gazans see it, they have remained cruelly shut up in an open-air prison. Firing rockets, many of them argue, is the only way they can protest, even though they know the Israelis are bound, from time to time, to punish them.
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More recently, say Gazans, the Israelis under Binyamin Netanyahu showed they were determined to destroy a peace-minded Palestinian unity government endorsed by Hamas and the more moderate Fatah party under Mahmoud Abbas, after the failure of American-brokered talks between Mr Abbas and Mr Netanyahu. The Israeli prime minister made it clear he would never talk to a Palestinian government backed by Hamas, even though America cautiously welcomed it. So he has done everything, say the Palestinians, to thwart it.
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economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21607895-hamas-wants-two-big-concessions-it-may-not-get-them-why-hamas-fires-those-rockets
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Also keep in mind, the water into Gaza is controlled by Israel. It’s off and on according to the Israeli Government’s desire.

Then of course the security fence has separated Palestinian farmers from their fields.

There is enough blame on both sides of this issue, but we in the USA, tend to get news just from the Israeli Government’s point of view.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
So although there have been diplomatic relations between the Vatican and Israel, it’s a strained relationship as this article shows.

Jim
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Jim, I think you’re trying to jump through mental hoops here to prove to yourself that the Vatican is on the same page as Hamas regarding Israel’s right to exist. In doing so, I think you may be forgetting why there is a state of Israel in the first place.

Ever since God spoke to Abraham, there has always been some world power that believed the only good Jew is a dead Jew. After the horrors of the Holocaust came to light, the international community recognized that the Jewish people would always be in danger as long as they were subject to the sovereignty of non-Jews. So, the world community set up the State of Israel, in the Jewish people’s ancestral home, as a place where they could live without fear of persecution.

As for the Palestinians, they have never had their own state. They have never wanted their own state until Israel came along and they were forced to live side-by-side with the hated Jew. When Israel set up Gaza as an independent territory for the Palestinians to self-govern, the Palestinians responded by destroying their economic and agricultural infrastructure, instead turning Gaza into a massive military base with which to wage war on the Jewish people. Ultimately, the Israelis had to isolate the region and impose blockades to keep out anything Hamas could use to wage war, including concrete and steel. When Israel relaxed these restrictions in 2012, what did the Palestinians use the concrete and steel for? Did they build hospitals, schools, homes? No, they built a network of tunnels that they use to kidnap children and smuggle in rockets that they hide under hospitals and schools.
 
JorduSpeaks
Jim, I think you’re trying to jump through mental hoops here to prove to yourself that the Vatican is on the same page as Hamas regarding Israel’s right to exist.
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I never made such a statement suggesting the Vatican is on the same page as Hamas and you’re accusation that I’m trying to do this is completely false.

Fact is, the Vatican supports a Palestinian State.

FYI, please keep in mind that the thread isn’t about me. 😉

Jim
 
JorduSpeaks said:
Nine years ago, American Jewish donors provided Gaza with more than 3,000 greenhouses that had once provided fruit and flowers for export. They were immediately destroyed by the Palestinian people.

nbcnews.com/id/9331863/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/looters-strip-gaza-greenhouses/#.U8rDveNdWjg
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Green houses do not equal the farm land which they lost.

I can understand why the offer would be rejected, and seen as rubbing salt into the wounds of those who can no longer access their farm lands.

Jim
 
JorduSpeaks said:
Nine years ago, American Jewish donors provided Gaza with more than 3,000 greenhouses that had once provided fruit and flowers for export. They were immediately destroyed by the Palestinian people.
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Not exactly. When Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, there were a large number of greenhouses operated by Israels. They would have been dismantled or bulldozed down. Instead, donors bought the farms and turned them over to the Palestinian Authority. The article you linked to indicates that the greenhouses did not suffer structural damage during the turnover. However 30% of them were looted, and infrastructure such as pipes and pumps were stolen.

Today, many of the greenhouses are back in operation, growing produce, flowers and herbs. However, tight export restrictions reduces the value of what is grown. The greenhouses also seem to be less productive than under Israeli control, although I am not sure why. Several news stories have mentioned the greenhouses in recent years. Here is one such story:

Herb exports a partial remedy for Gaza Strip’s ailing economy
seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2022836530_gazaherbsxml.html
 
GaryTaylor said:
Israel doesn’t want the strip of land. .
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Israel does want the strip of land. It wants Gaza’s offshore gas deposits. It doesn’t want the 1.7 million inhabitants.

That is the ultimate strategic goal. To continue to drive the Palestinians off their land, so the ultimate goal of “Greater Israel” can be achieved…
 
What is Gaza doing with off shore gas deposits?

Why does the left think it is all about gas and oil?
 
Israel is responding to rocket attacks from Gaza. Whatever latent, conspiratorial schemes the ‘Jews’ might be engaged in, the rocket attacks are what Israel is responding to.

No rocket attacks, no response from Israel.

It is just that simple.
 
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