Israel 'ready for escalation' of Gaza conflict

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Video of Palestinian woman whose son was just saved in an Israeli hospital

“All of us, from the youngest infant to the oldest, all of us will sacrifice ourselves for Jerusalem,” which she had earlier claimed was “all” for the Moslems.
Thank you.
I did away with the words media added so as to be free to listen to her . I had never seen a video from this perspective.
At times I thought she would not say anything to make her sound " unfaithful" facing a camera , I can understand that.
Whatever it is , her story is what she believes in.
It still impresses me though how valid the story always is for the one who tells it.
 
Based on the indiscriminate and unrestrained actions of the Israeli army, it seems they don’t have the moral high ground either.

The Israelis need to end their settlements in the West Bank, which are illegal according to international law. Occupiers need to be removed.

Hamas is extreme, but they have the most influence for now. They don’t represent all the their people. Neither do the extremist Zionists, who would never relinquish the West Bank no matter what—they believe that the Judea and Samaria biblically belongs to them. But that seems to be who is in power on the Israeli side.
You’re making up stuff. The Israelis have targeted the sourCes of the missile attacks. What’s more they warned everyone in Gaza before bombing. But the larger point - which you have conveniently ignored - is that Israel is surrounded by nations and groups that want to annihilate them completely. And they merely are trying to defend themselves. Yet some here apparently don’t want them to defend themselves. Do they deep down want to see Israel annihilated? Gaza, on the other hand, if it left Israel alone would be able to live in peace - Israel wouldn’t need to bomb them.

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Last I heard was that Israel is close to destroying all of the Hamas tunnels they went in to find. Maybe we are getting to the end of this - hopefully.
One striking fact worth noting in this whole bloodbath, is that Israel has quite literally stooped to using improvised gas chambers in Gaza.

“Israel has used gas to clear tunnels it says were dug by Hamas in order to infiltrate Israel”

Let that sink in for a minute.

bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28456967
 
What kind of gas was used and how many people did it kill?
The number of casualties is unknown/unpublished, and the type of gas used is also unknown/unpublished. It could have been carbon monoxide from some type of gasoline like the Nazis used, or it could have been some kind of pesticide, also like the Nazis used. My point was simply that Israel is employing demonic tactics, and doing so in a nightmarishly ironic way.

Israel is a combination of Apartheid South Africa and Nazi Germany. If one looks at Gaza objectively one can’t help but see the startling similarities to the Warsaw Ghetto, right down to the tunnels:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto
 
the type of gas used is also unknown/unpublished. It could have been
Seems the facts are missing. How about napalm/white phosphorus? How about torture?

How about the dead don’t top Israels right to live or defend themselves? Think about that for a minute.
 
Seems the facts are missing. How about napalm/white phosphorus? How about torture?

How about the dead don’t top Israels right to live or defend themselves? Think about that for a minute.
Yes, you’re right, Israel and it’s media lackeys are doing a good job at denying and covering up their war crimes. In fact, they’re doing such a good job, they’ve even managed to convince some people that they’re defending themselves! The sheer absurdity of it would be hysterically funny if it weren’t simultaneously such an über-depressing gore-fest.

This video of Israelis joyously celebrating dead Palestinian children sums up the entire situation rather succinctly:

palsolidarity.org/2014/07/video-israelis-in-tel-aviv-chanting-theres-no-school-tomorrow-theres-no-children-left-in-gaza-oleh
 
Yea, its a terrible situation, and the Pope is right as was the Coptic Pope with the Egypt conflict. Its tragic and needs to stop, but its so easy to lose sight of the fundamental point, they have the right to survive. Course spin exists on both sides, and in the end the facts and intent will be known.
 
Yes, you’re right.

Israel and it’s media lackeys are doing a good job at denying and covering up their war crimes. In fact, they’re doing such a good job, they’ve even managed to convince some people that they’re defending themselves! The sheer absurdity of it would be hysterically funny if it weren’t simultaneously such an über-depressing gore-fest.

This video of Israelis joyously celebrating dead Palestinian children sums up the entire situation rather succinctly:
Vivid imagination. There is no war crime until its proven in court. There are no established facts, and certainly no"intent" which must exist.

What there is FIRST is Israels right to defend itself and live.
 
Vivid imagination. court. There are no established facts, and certainly no"intent" which must exist.

What there is FIRST is Israels right to defend itself and live.
Well, these kinds of back and forth arguments are pointless. Saying “there is no war crime until its proven in court” is filtering reality through a lawyer’s semantics, when what we should be doing is filtering reality through Christ’s eyes. Do you honestly think that Jesus would be cheering his support for a brutal and immensely powerful nation to mercilessly kill and torment an almost entirely defenseless group of beaten down, viciously subjugated people who are trapped with nowhere to flee? Israel has the fourth most powerful military on Earth, right behind the US, Russia and China. Hamas wouldn’t even rank in the top one hundred. And that’s ignoring the fact that most Palestinians don’t even support Hamas anyway. And as Israel is focusing it’s enormous, enormous military might on a primarily civilian population who are caged-in with no where to run, you’re calling that defense? I call that wartime propaganda.

As far as your other post goes, whether Israel gassed them with diesel fuel like the Nazis, or whether they used regular unleaded, does it really matter?

I’m guessing you didn’t watch the video of Israelis celebrating all the children they’ve killed.

As Catholics we shouldn’t lend our support to this cold-blooded insanity.
 
The number of casualties is unknown/unpublished, and the type of gas used is also unknown/unpublished. It could have been carbon monoxide from some type of gasoline like the Nazis used, or it could have been some kind of pesticide, also like the Nazis used. My point was simply that Israel is employing demonic tactics, and doing so in a nightmarishly ironic way.

Israel is a combination of Apartheid South Africa and Nazi Germany. If one looks at Gaza objectively one can’t help but see the startling similarities to the Warsaw Ghetto, right down to the tunnels:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto
Of course, if the Israelis simply destroyed the tunnels without doing anything to get Palestinian fighter out of them, then people would be mad at them for that.

Yes, I suspect the reason there are not more details is that the Israelis are using a gas to make anyone in the tunnel uncomfortable and desirous of *leaving *the tunnel before the Israelis destroy it. But that wouldn’t make as good a story, would it?
 
Well, these kinds of back and forth arguments are pointless.
Perhaps but we have them because there are opened minded people who can step outside and see the truth through each others thinking. Thats unless they are positive they are correct. I’m positive Israel has the right to defend itself because its a God given right I happen to firmly believe in, no wavering on it. And I do and have done so reluctantly.

Do people lose sight fighting be it the defense or offensive? Yes they do and it spins out of control astonishingly and violently quick. And if they are not rooted in faith, well basically anything goes.
Saying “there is no war crime until its proven in court” is filtering reality through a lawyer’s semantics,
There is no law out there. God and evil and whats written in your heart and two different ideals diametrically opposed. Then somehow after all that woeful nonsense legal for sure is injected. No semantics.
when what we should be doing is filtering reality through Christ’s eyes
We are not there but in prayer. They are there, and they just disagree. I don’t see them stopping what should we do?
Do you honestly think that Jesus would be cheering his support for a brutal and immensely powerful nation to mercilessly kill and torment an almost entirely defenseless group of beaten down, viciously subjugated people who are trapped with nowhere to flee?
What does this have to do with our interaction and Israel?
Israel has the fourth most powerful military on Earth, right behind the US, Russia and China.
And?
Hamas wouldn’t even rank in the top one hundred. And that’s ignoring the fact that most Palestinians don’t even support Hamas anyway.
Their a terrorist group recognized by the US and interconnected with a handful of other jihad terrorist groups in palestine. Further bigger doesn’t equate to win.
And as Israel is focusing it’s enormous, enormous military might on a primarily civilian population who are caged-in with no where to run, you’re calling that defense? I call that wartime propaganda.
Wrong perspective and incorrect in the sequence of events.
As far as your other post goes, whether Israel gassed them with diesel fuel like the Nazis, or whether they used regular unleaded, does it really matter?
Knowing the facts matters which you admit in your other post you agree and don’t know[what they used]. Further the point was if it didn’t go over the bow, is everyone use’s despicable tactics.
I’m guessing you didn’t watch the video of Israelis celebrating all the children they’ve killed.
I could care less about the propaganda that sways your thinking, I know people die in war. good and bad, and there is both on both sides.
As Catholics we shouldn’t lend our support to this cold-blooded insanity.
So your here to announce this while you seem to support Hamas? :rolleyes:
 
Yes, you’re right, Israel and it’s media lackeys are doing a good job at denying and covering up their war crimes. In fact, they’re doing such a good job, they’ve even managed to convince some people that they’re defending themselves! The sheer absurdity of it would be hysterically funny if it weren’t simultaneously such an über-depressing gore-fest.

This video of Israelis joyously celebrating dead Palestinian children sums up the entire situation rather succinctly:

palsolidarity.org/2014/07/video-israelis-in-tel-aviv-chanting-theres-no-school-tomorrow-theres-no-children-left-in-gaza-oleh
The video would mot load for me: it said it was private?
 
As far as your other post goes, whether Israel gassed them with diesel fuel like the Nazis, or whether they used regular unleaded, does it really matter?
I think it would make a great deal of difference if they used tear gas or if they used nerve gas. Using tear gas to flush combatants out of the tunnels would be sensible. It also seems more likely than using poison gas.
 
Well, these kinds of back and forth arguments are pointless. Saying “there is no war crime until its proven in court” is filtering reality through a lawyer’s semantics, when what we should be doing is filtering reality through Christ’s eyes. Do you honestly think that Jesus would be cheering his support for a brutal and immensely powerful nation to mercilessly kill and torment an almost entirely defenseless group of beaten down, viciously subjugated people who are trapped with nowhere to flee?
Lev 19:15: "'Do not pervert justice; **do not show partiality to the poor **or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.
Israel has the fourth most powerful military on Earth, right behind the US, Russia and China. Hamas wouldn’t even rank in the top one hundred. And that’s ignoring the fact that most Palestinians don’t even support Hamas anyway. And as Israel is focusing it’s enormous, enormous military might on a primarily civilian population who are caged-in with no where to run, you’re calling that defense? I call that wartime propaganda.
You do realize that if the Palestinians had not spent years plotting the eradication of Israle, sending suicide bombers to Israeli markets, and firing rockets at Israel’s civilians that they might not be caged-in?
As far as your other post goes, whether Israel gassed them with diesel fuel like the Nazis, or whether they used regular unleaded, does it really matter?
What the Israelis used actually does matter. If they used a poisonous gas to kill those in the tunnels, that would be very bad. Using a noxious gas to force them out before Israel collapsed the tunnel would be very good.
I’m guessing you didn’t watch the video of Israelis celebrating all the children they’ve killed.
As Catholics we shouldn’t lend our support to this cold-blooded insanity.
 
Even if it’s true that he is contradicting himself, I imagine it’s true that you trust Western media sources. The bottom line is, he backed himself up with a source that you find reliable. I am a subscriber of the New York Times, I pay monthly.
It is evident from his response that in this INSTANCE (Israeli/Gaza war) he believes the western media is telling the truth (it falls in line with his beliefs), for all other narratives the western media is totally untrustworthy, evil and corrupt, i.e., people need to be consistent if they want to be taken seriously.
Here is that source:
A brief excerpt:
*Nothing is more shameful than attacking sleeping children,” the secretary general told reporters in San Jose, Costa Rica, according to a transcript provided by his office. It was Mr. Ban’s strongest comments to date on attacks on United Nations installations in Gaza, where Palestinians have been taking shelter. Six United Nations staff members have been killed in the current conflict so far.
United Nations officials said that they had informed Israel 17 times of the precise location of the school and that there were civilians sheltering there, including once at 8:50 p.m., just hours before the attack on Wednesday.
*
Do you trust this source? If so, he’s made his point. Let’s get back on topic. Let’s not get side-tracked–or perhaps we can move to spelling errors next?
As not all western sources indicate the same thing, I have my doubts that the NY Times is relaying everything, i.e., I have heard multiple western sources state that Israel gives full warning prior to bombings, i.e., enough time to evacuate, so why weren’t these children evacuated??

Moreover, Hamas has continuously broken ceasefires, as such the deaths of these children could have been avoided had Hamas simply stopped launching its rockets into Israel, but it hasn’t.
 
The video would mot load for me: it said it was private?
Sorry about that. I don’t know what happened to it. The video was essentially the Israeli equivalent of Americans chanting “USA! USA! USA!” ad nauseum, except that in the Tel Aviv version they were singing a song about there being no school tomorrow, because we killed all the kids! It was a celebration with a huge crowd of people. I’m not necessarily saying it was representative of the majority of Israelis - it may have been, or it may have just been the lowest common denominator being psycho idiots. It was a sight to behold, though. I apologize for not re-posting it from another site, it’s just that I’m careful to not post garbage or unacceptable stuff on CAF, and there’s too much filth for me to bother weeding through at the moment.
 
Sorry about that. I don’t know what happened to it. The video was essentially the Israeli equivalent of Americans chanting “USA! USA! USA!” ad nauseum, except that in the Tel Aviv version they were singing a song about there being no school tomorrow, because we killed all the kids! It was a celebration with a huge crowd of people. I’m not necessarily saying it was representative of the majority of Israelis - it may have been, or it may have just been the lowest common denominator being psycho idiots. It was a sight to behold, though. I apologize for not re-posting it from another site, it’s just that I’m careful to not post garbage or unacceptable stuff on CAF, and there’s too much filth for me to bother weeding through at the moment.
Are you sure it was authentic, and can you verify what they actually were saying, i.e., do you understand Hebrew or did you rely on someone else’s translation?
 
I think it would make a great deal of difference if they used tear gas or if they used nerve gas. Using tear gas to flush combatants out of the tunnels would be sensible. It also seems more likely than using poison gas.
I suspect it will never be known. There’s the occasional Mordecai Vanunu or Edward Snowden, but most war crimes remain secrets that are taken to the grave.
 
Sorry about that. I don’t know what happened to it. The video was essentially the Israeli equivalent of Americans chanting “USA! USA! USA!” ad nauseum, except that in the Tel Aviv version they were singing a song about there being no school tomorrow, because we killed all the kids! It was a celebration with a huge crowd of people. I’m not necessarily saying it was representative of the majority of Israelis - it may have been, or it may have just been the lowest common denominator being psycho idiots. It was a sight to behold, though. I apologize for not re-posting it from another site, it’s just that I’m careful to not post garbage or unacceptable stuff on CAF, and there’s too much filth for me to bother weeding through at the moment.
Here is what it said in your link as a description of those allegedly chanting that horrid phrase:
Every evening, in Tel Aviv, right wing marchers flood the streets, waving Israeli flags and chanting hate-slogans, such as the most common, “death to the Arabs” and many others. Often, these are counter-protests to the anti-war demonstrations that have begun since Israel’s latest onslaught on the Gaza strip, but these are also independent initiatives, which aim to encourage the State of Israel to continue the bombardment with full force.

I agree that if the crowd of apparently “right-wing” marchers were chanting that that it would be awful behavior.

I disagree that it’s akin to shouting “USA, USA,” in any way and would probably argue with you about your perception that chanting USA is bad but that’s way too far off-topic to go into here.
 
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