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Cat_Herder
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Because it is not acceptable to assert that God allows sin and death to enter into the world for no good reason. In Lutheranism, Calvary results in judgments of acquittal rather than elimination of the actual evil, let alone replacement of the evil with something better than what existed before Calvary or even Eden.
In other words, unless the Blood of Christ actually sanctifies us into super-humans–as Catholicism teaches but Lutheranism does not–there was no point in shedding It; God should have just taken out the serpent before he got anywhere near Eve and left us in our Edenic state.
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Nicea325
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False premise! How can it be true for Catholicism as a whole,but not for the “Roman” Catholic Church which is merely ONE rite out of many under Catholicism?
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Nicea325
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Exactly! One body…so how do you explain the thousands of denominations who are at odds with each other? Christ Body is one,yet at the same time divided?
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choliks
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Under One Head, and One Pope, if I may add.
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Nicea325
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Exactly…just like God…ONE HEAD…ONE GOD in charge of everything!
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174a
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You were replying to my quote below Isaiah
The answer to your questions are given below by your fellow Roman Catholics. This is what I mean when I say about man’s interpretation of Scripture.
papalencyclicals.net/
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stewstew03
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I’m confused - which post below? Are you saying something about the post by choliks or Nicea?
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174a
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I hope I have made the conversation clearer but yes, follow the link and you will see what I mean.
I have to go to work now, I am just having my breakfast.
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stewstew03
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Ok, I see now after the edit. You’re being critical of the papal office but you haven’t quite articulated what that criticism entails. I’m assuming you’ll get around to it soon - and please don’t post another 500 word essay about Robin Hood!!
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174a
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I am finding all this very depressing, especially as I feel bound on here not to say the wrong thing. I normally come away from Christian forums with a warm glow of blessing, that is providing I am talking to like minded believers rather than atheists or the cults.Ok, I see now after the edit. You’re being critical of the papal office but you haven’t quite articulated what that criticism entails. I’m assuming you’ll get around to it soon - and please don’t post another 500 word essay about Robin Hood!!
So just to finish, you will have gathered by now that I read the history books and when I read about either Protestants or Catholics I read about the oppression of people, wars and killing, and if it is the work of Catholics then it has the blessing of the Pope. Then I read what Jesus said about false prophets being recognised by their fruits and every tree that bears bad fruit will be cast down and thrown into the fire, and then you all say you are 100% behind the Pope and the traditions of men and with that in mind you won’t be surprised to learn that I am a member of a small non-denominational church that seeks to live by the teaching of Jesus.
15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
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Saintlucy
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I refer you back to my post (#350) which you ignored. This is the last paragraph of that post:
Christ promised to protect the teaching authority of the Church. “He who hears you, hears me; he who rejects you rejects me, he who rejects me, rejects Him who sent me” (Luke 10. 16). That is IN the bible.
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Eric_Hilbert
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40 posts pruned from this thread.
Return to the topic of the OP.
This is a Catholic forum, if you are here to proselytize I suggest you review the forum rules.
Return to the topic of the OP.
This is a Catholic forum, if you are here to proselytize I suggest you review the forum rules.
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174a
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This is not in the Bible. Bye, bye everyone. May God bless you all.
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MartinJordan
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174a, you seem to be a sincere person, pls do not feel depressed coming here.
You can really learn a lot. Heck even I am learning about the Faith which Ive also been quite ignorant of
Meanwhile, with regards to the days of “killing”. All these things cannot and should not be compared to todays view. Not that Im condoning how things went but using today’s standards would be quite unfair imo.
But what you should be more concerned about is the way many denominations come up with their own interpretation of scripture, swaying to the whims of their own opinions.
This has lead and still leading sincere God fearing people all confused and bringing about relativity and hardness of hearts and hence drop in standards. Atheists and other non-believing people have really picked up on it and I think having a field day :dts:
You see things in the news everywhere, sanctity of marriage deteriorating alarmingly, the family unit no longer about husband and wife but same sex marriages, abortion, lack of responsibility and the list goes on!
Isn’t that most depressing? Instead of looking back hundreds of years in the past, perhaps we must look forward and fight for a unified front and not pockets of groups with their own views.
The best solution is to follow a due religious Authority and remember Jesus himself chose men that were with him, lived with him, prayed, healed, fought for widows and orphans, etc to do His work for him.
Otherwise, there would have been no need of 12 Apostles and no need for Jesus to say “he who hears you, hears me”. Jesus could have said, “now your on your own, good luck” :tsktsk:
You get the idea. In your heart of hearts Im sure you feel it is relevant to have an Authority to the settle issues.
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You can really learn a lot. Heck even I am learning about the Faith which Ive also been quite ignorant of
Meanwhile, with regards to the days of “killing”. All these things cannot and should not be compared to todays view. Not that Im condoning how things went but using today’s standards would be quite unfair imo.
But what you should be more concerned about is the way many denominations come up with their own interpretation of scripture, swaying to the whims of their own opinions.
This has lead and still leading sincere God fearing people all confused and bringing about relativity and hardness of hearts and hence drop in standards. Atheists and other non-believing people have really picked up on it and I think having a field day :dts:
You see things in the news everywhere, sanctity of marriage deteriorating alarmingly, the family unit no longer about husband and wife but same sex marriages, abortion, lack of responsibility and the list goes on!
Isn’t that most depressing? Instead of looking back hundreds of years in the past, perhaps we must look forward and fight for a unified front and not pockets of groups with their own views.
The best solution is to follow a due religious Authority and remember Jesus himself chose men that were with him, lived with him, prayed, healed, fought for widows and orphans, etc to do His work for him.
Otherwise, there would have been no need of 12 Apostles and no need for Jesus to say “he who hears you, hears me”. Jesus could have said, “now your on your own, good luck” :tsktsk:
You get the idea. In your heart of hearts Im sure you feel it is relevant to have an Authority to the settle issues.
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Jaboshua
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“Convinced” I believe they said, not confused. So if u think the bible is not the only source does the bible state that? Where is it written? And if I say the bible is the only source, and it doesn’t state that, am I wrong for rejecting what i believe God would have me reject? Especially if God’s word, the bible, Jesus, says to reject those things? I say do what u want, but the catholic church has no authority to make people do anything, and defiantly not anything breaking a command set down by God in the bible.
In love
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mwok
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Wow! What authority! You mean I don’t have to do what the Church can’t physically force me to do!? I’m so glad you gave me permission!
Just out of curiosity, what did Christians follow before the Gospels were committed to writing?
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Jaboshua
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I’d say the same things we follow today, what the apostles taught.
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mwok
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Which they taught by writing to all Christians before the Gospels were committed to paper, right?
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Jaboshua
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Amen, the letters of the apostles, I love them, good stuff to follow. Now are they sufficient? Should anything be added to what they wrote? I believe not, else our bibles would have more than 66 books…oh wait…well the new testament would be bigger, you know, talking with the dead, kissing statues and whatnot. Keep all that, I will listen to Paul and Peter and Jesus’ other apostles. They taught the Gospel, and that, if u let it saves u.
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