Jack Chick -- a vent

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With all of his bad points noted, I still think God is capable of using Jack Chick. I’d like to invite all of you to see my personal favorite Jack Chick tract:

Who Murdered Clarice?
chick.com/reading/tracts/1009/1009_01.asp

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When he sticks to such basic topics as this he’s good at driving home his point. Many people have been scared into considering Christ because of his tracts about hell (not those that attack the Catholic faith but are more generic).

It’s just so sad he wastes his energy attacking other faith communities instead of simply evangelizing. He could be so effective just with that, but he puts himself on the crazy fringe with his ridiculous claims, and so his basic message of salvation in Christ gets distorted, and so ignored, by those who probably need it most.
 
When he sticks to such basic topics as this he’s good at driving home his point. Many people have been scared into considering Christ because of his tracts about hell (not those that attack the Catholic faith but are more generic).

It’s just so sad he wastes his energy attacking other faith communities instead of simply evangelizing. He could be so effective just with that, but he puts himself on the crazy fringe with his ridiculous claims, and so his basic message of salvation in Christ gets distorted, and so ignored, by those who probably need it most.
Most of his tracts are good. Why do Catholics only focus on the few that voice disagreement with their faith? Why not give the man credit for the good ones he has made?
 
Even when I was a Protestant I didn’t know anyone who took him the slightest bit seriously. I don’t either. He’s a raving lunatic.
 
Most of his tracts are good. Why do Catholics only focus on the few that voice disagreement with their faith? Why not give the man credit for the good ones he has made?
Wow, thats an interesting claim. Can you link a good Chick tract?
 
Not to sound flippant or snyde, but those who take him seriously would not be likely to be on here.

For the most part, they are poorly educated and isolated, or just plain dumb. They may be formed by these ideas and then pass them on without anyone knowing where they came from
Do you still think no one on this forum would defend Chick? It took 64 posts, but there it is…
 
Most of his tracts are good. Why do Catholics only focus on the few that voice disagreement with their faith? Why not give the man credit for the good ones he has made?
Well Chris, if he were targeting your faith community wouldn’t you “focus” on that, too? C’mon. Haven’t you read his vicious lies and not been sickened by them? Are we to give the man a pass just because he thinks he means well? And what kind of example of the love of Christ is he? Judging by the comments here, and not just us but many Evangelicals and other Protestants, not very well, to say the least.

Like I wrote earlier, it’s just too bad he wastes his talents going after other faith communities instead of concentrating his efforts on bringing faith in Christ to others who need to hear that message. Catholics are already Christians, just as much as Evangelicals (actually we have first dibs on the name). Even if he can’t accept that, his unwarranted attacks are destructive and abusive–hardly an image of true Christianity.
 
Not to sound flippant or snyde, but those who take him seriously would not be likely to be on here.

For the most part, they are poorly educated and isolated, or just plain dumb. They may be formed by these ideas and then pass them on without anyone knowing where they came from
I understand where you’re going with that, but being poorly educated or isolated really might not be the type who falls for Chick’s rhetoric. Really, so many people are lukewarm in the Catholic faith, sadly. So many are lukewarm as Christians, in general. It sometimes takes a man like Chick, with what we view as outrageous comments, to push someone off that fence…and away from Catholicism. It only takes a swift shove here and there for many who are teetering with their faith in the Church.
 
Someone left a Chick tract on my grandfather’s grave earlier this year. The tent was still up from the funeral too. Low and behold, someone stuck a Chick tract right in the middle of one of the flower arrangements. They even took the time to have it laminated. :mad:
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Not only would that anger me, it would creep me out. How strange!
 
For example, in ‘Who Murdered Clarice?’ Jesus says, ‘I damn you to hell.’ So its Christian teaching that Jesus damns people to hell?
 
For example, in ‘Who Murdered Clarice?’ Jesus says, ‘I damn you to hell.’ So its Christian teaching that Jesus damns people to hell?
I know we usually say that people send themselves to Hell by their rejection of God. However, I don’t have any problem with Jack Chick having Jesus assigning an abortionist to Hell. Remember that God is ultimately in charge of everything and it is His will that the unrepentant not enter Heaven and thereby end up in Hell.

I think sometimes we are so frightened of the shockingness of Hell that we do everything we can to “soften” the truth of it. The fact is that Our Blessed Lord Himself referred to Hell many times in the Gospels and warned people not to end up there.

Sure Hell is a horrible thought. But then, sin itself is a horrible thing - it’s just that we, as mortals, cannot really see just how horrible it is. To an all perfect God sin is dreadful and so are the consequences of it.

Our Lady at Fatima allowed the three children a brief glimpse of Hell and it was so shocking that they went home trembling. She allowed them the glimpse to emphasise how much we should warn people about the reality of Hell, the evil of sin and the need to repent.

I think of all Jack Chick’s offences, and there are many, his reference to Jesus sending an unrepentant abortionsist to Hell is not one of them.
 
It’s not Chick’s version of hell that I have a problem with. I understand that it is consistent with general Christian ideas about hell including Catholics. However I do think the fact that Jesus is shown to be condeming someone to hell is an issue. The ‘sin’ involved is irrelevant if all sins can be forgivening and if accepting Jesus and repenting is all you need. The man in the comic could simply be an atheist who once told a lie and the result would be the same according to Christian belief.

I’m an atheist, and I often have discussions about Christian teachings with a Christian friend of mine (shes pretty fundamentalist and non-Catholic). She says that Jesus is upset at losing a child when somone dies without accepting him. Sure they are of to the same hell as they would be if Jesus was condeming and angry, but my point is about the nature of Jesus. Just exactly what do you believe about his nature? I know that Chick’s representation of Jesus is offensive to my friend, and I’ve never met a more hardcore fundamentalist then her.
 
Most of his tracts are good. Why do Catholics only focus on the few that voice disagreement with their faith? Why not give the man credit for the good ones he has made?
Even his other ones sicken me. Ecumenical he is not. He and his ilk use hate and fear tactics that only fuel the negative image people have towards Christianity. I mean I can’t even begin on the number of times on the net I’ve heard people say Christians are ‘prude, hate-mongering bigots’. With dudes like Chick around, that’s no surprise! Do we honestly need someone who justifies that image?

Besides, I’m not only Catholic. I’m also a rock music listener and a rabid fantasy gamer to boot. His tracts and constant railings against both hobbies are the pinnacle of paranoia and stupidity.

Finally, the artwork in his tracts is utterly repulsive!!! :mad: I particularly wanted to puke after reading Last Generation. Even ecchi anime authors like Ken Akamatsu and Oh! Great have more visually appealing characters than this loon. Jack Chick though draws like he’s still in the 1930’s and usually styles like his are only good if they were of the Far Side or Dilbert variety. The least he could do is make his comics funny. :rolleyes:

P.S.

If he starts aiming for anime then I’m really gonna be ticked…
 
I don’t see this kind of thing the same way as some. I think I’m thicker-skinned. I do think Chick is committing horrible blasphemies and libels and should really have been tried for it until it stuck. However, simply expressing an opinion – and it is an opinion – about how people are saved and how people are damned is well within free speech and not as disturbing as lots of things I hear elsewhere routinely.
Almost every Evangelical I have ever talked to or heard considers “Christian” to be a synonym for “saved” and “non-Christian” a synonym for “non-saved”, and they don’t hate anyone but feel worried about non-Christians, and wish them well. That’s why they do so much evangelizing. It’s not because they assume people enjoy the show, it’s because they’re worried about people. I don’t know whether or not that’s Jack T. Chick’s attitude, I think he’s paranoid and demented at this point, unlikely to change either, but there is a difference between being afraid non-Christians are going to Hell and wanting them to.
Being Christian makes it much easier to get to Heaven, and being Catholic makes it easier still, and these are choices available to everyone, so he got half of it almost right.
 
I don’t see this kind of thing the same way as some. I think I’m thicker-skinned. I do think Chick is committing horrible blasphemies and libels and should really have been tried for it until it stuck. However, simply expressing an opinion – and it is an opinion – about how people are saved and how people are damned is well within free speech and not as disturbing as lots of things I hear elsewhere routinely.
Almost every Evangelical I have ever talked to or heard considers “Christian” to be a synonym for “saved” and “non-Christian” a synonym for “non-saved”, and they don’t hate anyone but feel worried about non-Christians, and wish them well. That’s why they do so much evangelizing. It’s not because they assume people enjoy the show, it’s because they’re worried about people. I don’t know whether or not that’s Jack T. Chick’s attitude, I think he’s paranoid and demented at this point, unlikely to change either, but there is a difference between being afraid non-Christians are going to Hell and wanting them to.
Being Christian makes it much easier to get to Heaven, and being Catholic makes it easier still, and these are choices available to everyone, so he got half of it almost right.
This is so true, althugh there used to be a time when people vieed such ‘free speech’ as blasphemy. Maybe in Catholic circles, we can see that, but what’s sad, is that for those non Catholics, he sort of creates a wedge between them and Catholics, and it’s just a pity that someone with so much hate, could still be thought of as helping others.:o
 
This is so true, althugh there used to be a time when people vieed such ‘free speech’ as blasphemy. Maybe in Catholic circles, we can see that, but what’s sad, is that for those non Catholics, he sort of creates a wedge between them and Catholics, and it’s just a pity that someone with so much hate, could still be thought of as helping others.:o
Not just a wedge between Catholics and non-Catholics. Many Christians I’ve spoken to, who would be saved according to Jack, dislike his tracts and disagree with many parts of his message.
 
Not just a wedge between Catholics and non-Catholics. Many Christians I’ve spoken to, who would be saved according to Jack, dislike his tracts and disagree with many parts of his message.
He doesn’t just single out Catholics. I’m not sure, what is his overall point…other than telling others to avoid Catholicism, Islam, etc?

Thing is, his spin is nothing new from someone who wants to steer people away from the Church. It’s his delivery and the use of insane cartoons, that makes him repugnant, to me. As if Catholics are evil, and taking over the world. It’s blasphemy!
 
Not just a wedge between Catholics and non-Catholics. Many Christians I’ve spoken to, who would be saved according to Jack, dislike his tracts and disagree with many parts of his message.
Of course. How many people are Independent Baptist, Mid-Trib (I think), paranoid about Catholics, KJO, Young-Earth literalist, believers in the utterly discredited conspiracy authors Rebecca Brown, John Todd, Alexander Hislop etc., afraid of rock music (and by extension European and much African folk music and blues, country and what-have-you), sure that ONLY Independent Baptists are really saved, and fans of early action comic style complete with outrageous dialogue and motion lines? And probably much more.
He is deliberately wedging absurd paranoid ideas between everyone and almost everyone else in what looks like a real belief that only a small group who see it precisely the way he does are real Christians and all the rest are rushling along the road to perdition right now?
It would be amusing if fearmongering worked like an insurance package. But it doesn’t. It works by making people wonder just a little about just parts of the stuff that they see, and eventually the fear takes on a life of its own and overrides all thought. When you were a child and someone told a scary story before lights-out and you lay there in the dark, wasn’t it hard to be really, totally sure that clicking sound far away wasn’t the monster’s toenails as he came to get you? Hard to sleep wasn’t it, even though you knew better? Because you were tired and wound up. Conspiracy theroists prey on those tired, overwrought moments normal people have, to work in just a little bit of doubt about just one odd thing, but that opens the gate to let in all kinds of fears and worries until the brain can’t keep it all straight. I’m studying coercive eprsuasion right now and it makes me angry. But I don’t think restricting speech is the answer. It wouldn’t work anyway. people who are in a fear-based thinking system don’t stop “warning” others just because it’s forbidden. They take all opposition as further evidence of the plot against them, and further proof they need to fight. That’s why I’m for more speech, not less. If someone says, “Isn’t it at all possible the moon is actually a spy station set up to watch you?” I believe in saying, “Anything is possible, but I take the massive evidence that the moon existed before I did as a sign that it is **more likely ** that it’s a natural satellite that has nothing to do with me. May I show you some art depicting the moon from before I was born?”
 
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