Jehovah's witnesses still dont have an accurate translation?

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BibleSteve said:
All I can tell you about the WTS is that after I decided what I believed, I looked around and it was fairly obvious who’s fundamental beliefs were most in line with my understanding of Bible truth.”
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This is an example of private interpretation. You sought out beliefs which agreed with you. I have had to change my beliefs based on God’s revealed truth. I would have nothing to do with any faith that my ego searched for or agreed with.

Catholicism teaches that our lives are an on-going process of conversion to the will of God. I am not completed, and will not be on this earth. Choose a faith that demands real sacrifice-this is counter to human nature and thus Godly. My life came from Him, belongs to Him and will return to Him when He calls. I am expected to disagree with the teachings of Catholicism, and thus I must deny myself in imitation of Christ and conform my will to something resembling God’s Holy will.

Christ’s peace.
 
po18guy said:
This is an example of private interpretation. You sought out beliefs which agreed with you. I have had to change my beliefs based on God’s revealed truth.
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Actually, you have this just a little wrong. I agree that many people choose a religion based upon what they want without referring to what the Bible says. They like the atmosphere, the music, the entertainment, the location, the convenience, the continuity with their family’s religion, etc.

In my case, I studied the Bible extremely diligently and found many things in the Bible that I was not conforming to. Based upon God’s revealed truth to me, I made changes to my behavior and conformed my opinions to what the Bible said. My primary goal was to my own opinions away and find what the Bible actually said.

Once I had a clear understanding of the Bible, I looked at the religions of the world to decided who I thought was most closely living the truth of the Bible.
 
BibleSteve said:
Actually, you have this just a little wrong. I agree that many people choose a religion based upon what they want without referring to what the Bible says. They like the atmosphere, the music, the entertainment, the location, the convenience, the continuity with their family’s religion, etc.

In my case, I studied the Bible extremely diligently and found many things in the Bible that I was not conforming to. Based upon God’s revealed truth to me, I made changes to my behavior and conformed my opinions to what the Bible said. My primary goal was to my own opinions away and find what the Bible actually said.

Once I had a clear understanding of the Bible, I looked at the religions of the world to decided who I thought was most closely living the truth of the Bible.
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So you submitted yourself to the mind-control machine of the Watchtower.
“All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the “greatly diversified wisdom of God” can become known only through Jehovah’s channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave. The Watchtower; 10/1/1994; p. 8.”
 
BibleSteve said:
Actually, you have this just a little wrong. I agree that many people choose a religion based upon what they want without referring to what the Bible says. They like the atmosphere, the music, the entertainment, the location, the convenience, the continuity with their family’s religion, etc.

In my case, I studied the Bible extremely diligently and found many things in the Bible that I was not conforming to. Based upon God’s revealed truth to me, I made changes to my behavior and conformed my opinions to what the Bible said. My primary goal was to my own opinions away and find what the Bible actually said.

Once I had a clear understanding of the Bible, I looked at the religions of the world to decided who I thought was most closely living the truth of the Bible.
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There’s the rub. Which bible?
 
Here’s another quote from official Watchtower propaganda teaching the faithful.

“We should eat and digest and assimilate what is set before us, without shying away from parts of the food because it may not suit the fancy of our mental taste…We should meekly go along with the Lord’s theocratic organization and wait for further clarification, rather than balk at the first mention of a thought unpalatable to us and proceed to quibble and mouth our criticisms and opinions as though they were worth more than the slave’s provision of spiritual food. Theocratic ones will appreciate the Lord’s visible organization and not be so foolish as to put against Jehovah’s channel their own human reasoning and sentiment and personal feelings.” The Watchtower, February 1, 1952, pp. 79-80.

So, open wide and don’t ask foolish questions of your betters. Turn your brains over to us, all is well.
 
po18guy said:
There’s the rub. Which bible?
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I reviewed 50+ Bibles to contrast and compare each and every sentence. These included dozens of Catholic and Protestant Translations and Version.

How about you?
 
hosemonkey said:
"All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the “greatly diversified wisdom of God” can become known only through Jehovah’s channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave.
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Hosemonkey,

I invite you to actually contribute some of your Bible knowledge to this discussion. How about you explain in detail Jesus words at Matt 24:45-47

Who, what, where, why, when?

Please go ahead…
 
BibleSteve said:
I reviewed 50+ Bibles to contrast and compare each and every sentence. These dozens of Catholic and Protestant Translations and Version.

How about you?
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Wow, I thought I had bragging rights doing 7 (including the NWT). Better than 50? Wow, that really is impressive. How long did that take you and what conclusions did you come to? Since we’re on about translations and JW’s and all I hope it isn’t off topic.

In those 50+ how many translated
  • John 1:1 the way the NWT does?
  • the Greek word Theos and some times Kurios as Jehovah in the Christain Greek Scriptures?
  • said ‘torcure stake instead’ of ‘cross’?
  • inserted the word [other] in Col 1:16?
 
BibleSteve said:
Hosemonkey,

I invite you to actually contribute some of your Bible knowledge to this discussion. How about you explain in detail Jesus words at Matt 24:45-47

Who, what, where, why, when?

Please go ahead…
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Please address the Watchtower’s mind-control techniques and the tight regulation of member’s thoughts, words and associations. Do you realize that you could be “disfellowshipped” for being on this forum? On second thought, that might be your easiest way out.
 
Hosemonkey,

You are very ill-informed about JW’s. You’ve believed the disinformation without checking it out for yourself. You quote snips from 50 year old WT articles without reading the article yourself. But, in all this you’re sure your right, without checking your facts.

You complain about our interpretation of a particular scripture, but then refuse to give your comment about what the proper understanding it.

Are you simply a complainer, or will you contribute to an intelligent conversation?
 
BibleSteve said:
Hosemonkey,

You are very ill-informed about JW’s. You’ve believed the disinformation without checking it out for yourself. You quote snips from 50 year old WT articles without reading the article yourself. But, in all this you’re sure your right, without checking your facts.

You complain about our interpretation of a particular scripture, but then refuse to give your comment about what the proper understanding it.

Are you simply a complainer, or will you contribute to an intelligent conversation?
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The Watchtower magazine claims to be the conduit of God on earth. Are you saying that everything in the Watchtower magazine is not true and to be believed by the faithful? How to you explain the prohibition against reading religious materials of other faiths? How to you explain “disfellowshipping” for association with non-JWs? Start addressing some of these questions and quit dancing around the issues. Or pack your kit and try to sell snake oil elsewhere.
 
Bible Steve, in your efforts to avoid all things pagan, have you ignored the fact that JW’s have wedding rings?
 
BibleSteve said:
Hosemonkey,

You are very ill-informed about JW’s. You’ve believed the disinformation without checking it out for yourself. You quote snips from 50 year old WT articles without reading the article yourself. But, in all this you’re sure your right, without checking your facts.

You complain about our interpretation of a particular scripture, but then refuse to give your comment about what the proper understanding it.

Are you simply a complainer, or will you contribute to an intelligent conversation?
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Here’s some more JW mind-control.
  1. “Let us face the fact that no matter how much Bible reading we have done, we would never have learned the truth on our own. We would not have discovered the truth regarding Jehovah, his purposes and attributes, the meaning and importance of his name, the Kingdom, Jesus’ ransom, the difference between God’s organization and Satan’s, nor why God has permitted wickedness.” (Watchtower 12/1/1990, pages 19)
  2. “Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible.” (The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967. p. 587.)
  3. “Only this organization functions for Jehovah’s purpose and to his praise. To it alone God’s Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book.” (The Watchtower; July 1, 1973, pp. 402.)
  4. “All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the “greatly diversified wisdom of God” can become known only through Jehovah’s channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave.” (The Watchtower; 10/1/1994; p. 8.)
 
hosemonkey said:
The Watchtower magazine claims to be the conduit of God on earth.
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What does the Catholic Church claim about the Pope? Don’t you claim he is a conduit of God on earth? If so, why is that? What evidence do you have of that?
Are you saying that everything in the Watchtower magazine is not true and to be believed by the faithful?
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What does the Catholic Church claim about the proclamations of the Pope? Don’t you claim infallibility? The WT has never made that claim and specifically said they are not infallible. Why complain about the WT when your Pope is claiming infallibility?
How to you explain the prohibition against reading religious materials of other faiths?
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The Bethel library is filled with non-JW books, our magazines are filled with quotes from non-JW books, many JW’s have research books in their libraries from non-JW sources. Are you aware of the Catholic Churchs policy to ban its members from reading certain books? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum
Are you concerned about this?
How to you explain “disfellowshipping” for association with non-JWs?
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This is disinformation. JW’s associate with non-JW’s every day in all aspects of life, work, neighbors, etc. They are not disfellowshipped for this. The Bible recommends we choose are associates wisely at 1 Cor 15:33. Please explain how you personally apply this wise counsel.
 
Hellisreal said:
Bible Steve, in your efforts to avoid all things pagan, have you ignored the fact that JW’s have wedding rings?
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Yes, and we also have calendars we hang on our walls that include names of months that came from Pagan religions (i.e. January - Janus, etc.)

If you have a problem with wearing wedding rings, please follow your conscience and abstain.
 
BibleSteve said:
What does the Catholic Church claim about the Pope? Don’t you claim he is a conduit of God on earth? If so, why is that? What evidence do you have of that?
The Holy Father is the successor of Peter, chosen by Jesus Christ Himself to lead His Church.
Charles Taze Russell was chosen by himself.

What does the Catholic Church claim about the proclamations of the Pope? Don’t you claim infallibility? The WT has never made that claim and specifically said they are not infallible. Why complain about the WT when your Pope is claiming infallibility?
The Holy Father is infallible in matters of Faith and Morals, when he intends to teach the whole Church. Only then.
It is a good thing that the Watchtower does not claim infallibility, it has been publicly and embarrasingly wrong more times than I can count.

The Bethel library is filled with non-JW books, our magazines are filled with quotes from non-JW books, many JW’s have research books in their libraries from non-JW sources. Are you aware of the Catholic Churchs policy to ban its members from reading certain books? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum
Are you concerned about this?
Your Bethel library may be filled but the hands of your members are not. When offered non_JW material they get wall-eyed and refuse.
You are behind the times, the Index of Forbidden Books has not existed for many years.

This is disinformation. JW’s associate with non-JW’s every day in all aspects of life, work, neighbors, etc. They are not disfellowshipped for this. The Bible recommends we choose are associates wisely at 1 Cor 15:33. Please explain how you personally apply this wise counsel.
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I follow this wise counsel by staying as far away as I can get from believers in false doctrines.
 
BibleSteve said:
Yes, and we also have calendars we hang on our walls that include names of months that came from Pagan religions (i.e. January - Janus, etc.)

If you have a problem with wearing wedding rings, please follow your conscience and abstain.
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But, birthdays are again wrong why?
 
JW’s associate with non-JW’s every day in all aspects of life, work, neighbors, etc. They are not disfellowshipped for this. The Bible recommends we choose are associates wisely at 1 Cor 15:33
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If this were true, then my DH got DF’d unjustly! But thank God he did… sad he’s one again, well, sorta.
But, birthdays are again wrong why?
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Because the only 2 bdays on the Bilbe “end” in tragic deaths… so they are plain evil. Muhahaha… 😃
 
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