Jehovah's witnesses still dont have an accurate translation?

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Hellisreal said:
I do think of those mothers who have lost their children due to the blood issue.

And Mary knows what pain it is to suffer a loss of a child.
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Exactly. And if the Magi had evil intent, why did they not go back to Herod and rat the Holy Family out, but instead “departed to their own country by another way?” Herod was no fool, he knew that the Child Jesus represented a terrible threat to him.So he took the despot’s way out, he simply killed all the males under two years old in BETHLEHEM, BibleSteve, not Jerusalem. He was simply an evil man.
 
hosemonkey said:
Exactly. And if the Magi had evil intent, why did they not go back to Herod and rat the Holy Family out, but instead “departed to their own country by another way?” Herod was no fool, he knew that the Child Jesus represented a terrible threat to him.So he took the despot’s way out, he simply killed all the males under two years old in BETHLEHEM, BibleSteve, not Jerusalem. He was simply an evil man.
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PM me if you can, I just got back now.
 
BibleSteve said:
Where in the Bible does it say that YHWH sent that star as a sign to these astrologers? It’s a big assumption that isn’t supported by scripture.
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In fact, let me challenge anyone to provide scriptural evidence that the star was sent by YHWH…

Any evidence, or are all of you just repeating what you’ve been told? Where is the scriptural evidence it was from YHWH?

There is none.
 
BibleSteve said:
Where in the Bible does it say that YHWH sent that star as a sign to these astrologers? It’s a big assumption that isn’t supported by scripture.
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Well BibleSteve, how did THAT sneak it’s way into scripture and how clever of you JWs to have figured it out. Boy, you really caught the Gospel writers in a big fib, didn’t you? Betcha God is really embarrassed too, letting a thing like that slip by.

Man, you are really grabbing at straws now. Apologetics for the Watchtower is NOT your line of work.😃
 
hosemonkey said:
he simply killed all the males under two years old in BETHLEHEM, BibleSteve, not Jerusalem. He was simply an evil man.
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Yes, you are correct. I was simply typing too fast on this point…
Thank you for correcting me on this scriptural point.
 
hosemonkey said:
Well BibleSteve, how did THAT sneak it’s way into scripture and how clever of you JWs to have figured it out. Boy, you really caught the Gospel writers in a big fib, didn’t you? Betcha God is really embarrassed too, letting a thing like that slip by.

Man, you are really grabbing at straws now. Apologetics for the Watchtower is NOT your line of work.😃
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What are you talking about? The scriptures mention a star and don’t provide any explanation about who was responsible for it.

Traditional Religions have pumped into their members minds that it was from YHWH, but where does the Bible say that?

It doesn’t…

It’s a big assumption that is not supported by Scripture.

You have simply believed what someone told you that is completely unsupported in Scripture.
 
BibleSteve said:
How did early Christians and Jews of Bible times view birthday celebrations?

“The notion of a birthday festival was far from the ideas of the Christians of this period in general.”—The History of the Christian Religion and Church, During the Three First Centuries (New York, 1848), Augustus Neander (translated by Henry John Rose), p. 190.

“The later Hebrews looked on the celebration of birthdays as a part of idolatrous worship, a view which would be abundantly confirmed by what they saw of the common observances associated with these days.”—The Imperial Bible-Dictionary (London, 1874), edited by Patrick Fairbairn, Vol. I, p. 225.

What is the origin of popular customs associated with birthday celebrations?

“The various customs with which people today celebrate their birthdays have a long history. Their origins lie in the realm of magic and religion. The customs of offering congratulations, presenting gifts and celebrating—complete with lighted candles—in ancient times were meant to protect the birthday celebrant from the demons and to ensure his security for the coming year. ... Down to the fourth century Christianity rejected the birthday celebration as a pagan custom.”—Schwäbische Zeitung (magazine supplement Zeit und Welt), April 3/4,*1981, p. 4.

“The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. ... This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. ... The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. ... Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. ... Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. ... Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune. ... Birthday greetings and wishes for happiness are an intrinsic part of this holiday. ... Originally the idea was rooted in magic. ... Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day.”—The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952), Ralph and Adelin Linton, pp.*8,*18-20.
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Just because something comes from “pagans: doesn’t make it intrinsically evil. since most of the world was not monotheistic for a very long time there is a heck of a long list of things that you would have dispense with and totally avoid in order to be"pure” and distant from all pagan elements. Simply not possible. so which pagan elements do you eliminate? How do you decide? What criteria? it seems any kind of gathering that would bring joy into one’s life seems the ones that are eliminate-Holidays- Ancient Israelites had ton of them. They still do and they are Joyous occasions - believe it or not God wants us to happy& joyous-he wants our children and families and spouses to have hope and Joy in Him. And they don’t look back to the past to see if the came from the pagans that surrounded them. Because they did! Passover like and Feast of the Unleavened bread festivals come from Pagan festivals that predate the Exodus- Sukkot- comes from celebration of the bounty of the earth-.what the Hebrews did though when they adopted libations and animal sacrifices and all manner of stuff from 'the nations" is they made it GOD centered. They used it to celebrate their devotion to Yahweh.They made it there own. As long as we are not celebrating demons- but celebrating our child’s life- what could be wrong about it? One’s motivation and heart determine whether an event is negative or positive .God is a God of Joy ,Happiness ,Jesus wants to give us an"abundant “life
" I want to eat your brains and take your will” Charles “the Taz” Russell:D 😃
 
BibleSteve said:
What are you talking about? The scriptures mention a star and don’t provide any explanation about who was responsible for it.

Traditional Religions have pumped into their members minds that it was from YHWH, but where does the Bible say that?

It doesn’t…

It’s a big assumption that is not supported by Scripture.

You have simply believed what someone told you that is completely unsupported in Scripture.
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I am not going to dignify that stupid assumption with an answer. Shame on you, you should know better.
 
hosemonkey said:
I am not going to dignify that stupid assumption with an answer. Shame on you, you should know better.
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The plain fact of Scripture is that the event is not attributed to anyone.

Traditional religion has made an assumptive leap without any Scriptural backing.

I’m asking a very reasonable question. Why would YHWH produce a supernatural miracle to lead some pagan astrologers who didn’t worship him and were immersed in practices he condemed to find the Christ and ultimately lead to the attempted murder of Jesus and the slaughter of all the male children in Bethlehem?

What is the scriptural support for your assumption this even was produced by YHWH?
 
As far as the most accurate translation- I’m sure my dog could probably do a better job. EVERY JW WEBSTE SAYS THE SAME EXACT THING!! It’s hilarious .there is not an original thought or idea that there. It like they got some kind of playbook or manual that the use … oh wait they do! its called “awake”:eek:
 
BibleSteve said:
The plain fact of Scripture is that the event is not attributed to anyone.

Traditional religion has made an assumptive leap without any Scriptural backing.

I’m asking a very reasonable question. Why would YHWH produce a supernatural miracle to lead some pagan astrologers who didn’t worship him and were immersed in practices he condemed to find the Christ and ultimately lead to the attempted murder of Jesus and the slaughter of all the male children in Bethlehem?

What is the scriptural support for your assumption this even was produced by YHWH?
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You are asking a very stupid question. God had His own reasons for causing that miracle. Your intent is to twist scripture to support your own bizarre theology. And besides, who cares?
 
BibleSteve said:
The plain fact of Scripture is that the event is not attributed to anyone.

Traditional religion has made an assumptive leap without any Scriptural backing.

I’m asking a very reasonable question. Why would YHWH produce a supernatural miracle to lead some pagan astrologers who didn’t worship him and were immersed in practices he condemed to find the Christ and ultimately lead to the attempted murder of Jesus and the slaughter of all the male children in Bethlehem?

What is the scriptural support for your assumption this even was produced by YHWH?
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and your not making an assumption when your org says it was some kind of “evil” star it says nothing- so why do you assume a negative?🤷
 
BibleSteve said:
Why would YHWH produce a supernatural miracle to lead some pagan astrologers who didn’t worship him and were immersed in practices he condemed to find the Christ and ultimately lead to the attempted murder of Jesus and the slaughter of all the male children in Bethlehem?
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why wouldn’t He? this miracle made them believers! they knew about the time being right for Jesus human birth, so obviously they were seeking Jesus. Everyone who seeks to know God will find Him…pagan or jew—does it matter what they WERE if they became believers?

JWs are so obsessed with everything being demonic that they turn this beautiful miracle into something ugly.
 
juliamajor said:
and your not making an assumption when your org says it was some kind of “evil” star it says nothing- so why do you assume a negative?🤷
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You must remember, when you speak to JWs and mormons, you are not in Kansas any more, you are in Oz. So, pay no attention to that Watchtower behind the curtain.
 
Ravyn_Guiliani said:
why wouldn’t He? this miracle made them believers! they knew about the time being right for Jesus human birth, so obviously they were seeking Jesus. Everyone who seeks to know God will find Him…pagan or jew—does it matter what they WERE if they became believers?

JWs are so obsessed with everything being demonic that they turn this beautiful miracle into something ugly.
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Soooo right Ravyn - the most benign things become demonic in JW land.:mad:
 
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