If we are going to defer to science here, I want the scientists to determine who is “top notch”. Not the Discovery Channel, or some Documentary maker who is trying to make a case.
So, they prove that the ossuary is from Jesus by the DNA they found in the Ossuary and they prove that the DNA in the Ossuary is from Jesus because they found the DNA of Jesus in it? I’m missing something here.
And they know it’s Mary Magdaline’s DNA because…?They never claimed to be certain they have Jesus’ DNA.They tested the DNA found in the ossuary they believe may be Jesus’s and compared it to the one they think may be Mary Magdaline’s.
I wouldn’t be surprised. But James is related only tangentially to the documentary, so that’s a separate question itself. (I know they try to establish the James ossuary as entirely real, and also belonging in the Talpiot tomb, but even Jacobovici himself admits that may be a lost cause considering what we know about the James ossuary’s recent history.)
All the DNA test supposedly proves is that, whoever’s remains occupied the second Mary’s ossuary, that person was not related to Jesus by his mother’s line.
Well, they aren’t exactly the right names to begin with. Jesus son of Joseph and one Mary are correct. Jose may be Joseph, but the documentary’s arguing that’s another brother of Jesus (Then where’s Joseph?) There’s a son of Jesus in the tomb, but that goes against what we know of Jesus (Ah, so we were wrong.) There’s a Matthew (Must be a disciple, but why’s a disciple here?), and another Mary (Her name is vaguely similar to some gnostic manuscript versions of her that are far older than the original names, and the mara is a point of confusion.)
I said her ossuary is the one “they think may” have contained her remains.
Most of what I’ve read was from scholars who haven’t yet seen the documentary and lacked expertise in the various areas needed to make a fair assessment. Maybe you’re reading something I haven’t seen yet. If you’ve read something from someone who has I’d love it if you’d share the links.
No, In fact personally I think that began in the 15th century with Martin Luther who claimed no divine presence, the catholic church as the anti-Christ and an edited bible, the first signs of the great Apostasy. From that point on, Heresy became “popular” and was given the label Protestant. Suddenly the christian faith was no longer under one banner(inc the orthodox who have “Valid mass”) of believing in the devine presence of the Mass. It became sectarian and then came in the last century one of the worst “christian” teachings ever… “The prosperity Gospel” and with it, even more anti-catholicism as it is a complete over throw of the Catholic interpretation of the bible.Then and only then, started coming the Athiest and anti-religious claims, and specifically the claims of Dan Brown, when Christianity was at it most jumbled and confused state, out of the Catholic Church of cause which has held it’s ground.
What is the Great Apostasy? I apologize for my ignorance.
The period in the book of revelations when Satan, and with him the heresy of athesm, is unleashed from the abyss against the church after the Millenial rule of Jesus, for the final confrontation.What is the Great Apostasy? I apologize for my ignorance.
Then, no, I don’t think this is a sign of the end.
No, I have not seen his interviews. Sorry, I thought I had said that, but I guess I didn’t.
I disagree with this premise. I don’t know about Cameron in particular, but Jacobivici(sp?) has already been discredited with the James Ossuary, and of course there’s folks like Oliver Stone. If they have an agenda, they probably will cut corners on the “evidence.”His having an Oscar, coupled with the fact that he’s well respected in his field does say something, though, which is that it’s highly unlikely someone of Cameron’s caliber would even consider becoming involved in such a project if he didn’t have this discovery looked at and studied from every possible angle by highly qualified individuals who are at the top of their individual fields. James Cameron has been very successful and very busy post-Titanic. I doubt he’d be willing to put his reputation on the line for a project that can easily be proven to carry no weight.
He has? The last I heard, the trial is still going on and there are scholars, including Ben Wetherington, I believe, who think it’s genuine.