Jesus Christ is our only 'mediator' as stated by St. Paul

[SHW]

I was replying to your post on 1 John 15-16 which says:16If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
The sin not unto death here is sin that is repented of. The sin unto death is the unpardonable sin and that sin is any sin that is not repented of.

No. All sin is unrighteousness/lawlessness. (1 John 3:4) Sin unto death is mortal sin (unrighteousness). Sin not unto death is venial sin. Mortal sin causes the death of eternal life in the soul. I gave examples of mortal sins which cause the death of eternal life in the soul. Venial sin is sin (unrighteousness), but it does not cause the death of eternal life of the soul.

1 John 5:17
All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

This “sin not leading to death” is venial sin because it does not cause the death of eternal life in the soul.

I don’t either, because yelling at your children is not sin. 1John3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Breaking God’s law is sin.

If you yell at your children because you are in a bad mood, but they have not done anything wrong, then you have sinned. This is a transgression (sin) against the Royal Law of love. This sin, however, does not cause the death of eternal life in the soul. (James 2:8)

If once you repent you became sanctified and you were first sanctified at your baptism and you were baptised as a baby, you must have repented as a baby. How is that possible.

A baby has committed no personal sin so has no need to repent. We do not need to repent of Adam’s original sin on our souls. Adam’s sin made us all enemies of God. (Romans 5:9-11) Babies are baptized in order to remove original sin from their souls. The main purpose of Baptism is to remove original sin from our souls (Baptism redeems us) so that we can be reconciled to God and become His adopted children. (Ephesians 1:4-6)

Baptism makes babies disciples of Christ since Baptism is the means of entering Christ’s New Covenant. We did not put original sin on our souls by our own actions. We can repent of our own personal sins only, not the sins of others such as Adam’s original sin, when we are baptized as adults. But, Baptism does wash away all the sins on our souls at the time of our Baptisms because Christ’s sacrifice is sufficient to remove all sins from our souls, not just original sin. This gives us a “clean slate” before God. We remain justified by obeying God’s commandments and producing good fruit/good works that He has planned for us to produce/do. (Hebrews 5:9, Matthew 7:21, Ephesians 2:10)

This is extremely confusing You are basicilly saying here that Jesus sacrifice washes us from the sin that was washed away at baptism. How many times does it have to be washed away? This doesn’t make any sense.

Baptism can only be done once because the main purpose of Baptism is to wash away Original Sin. Baptism redeems us from Adam’s sin. However, Baptism also washes away all personal sins on our souls at this same time. After Baptism, all personal mortal sins must be confessed and repented in order to become justified again because mortal sins cause us to lose our justification/salvation. Repenting and confessing these mortal sins (to a priest) re-justifies us. (1 John 1:9, John 20:23)

 

[tmac1956]

I’m afraid that doesn’t quite work with John 14:2In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

This says that Jesus will receive us when He comes again, not at death.

Oh really… What about the good thief on the cross – TODAY you will be with me in Paradise.

 

[SHW]

That’s not what it says. It says:3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. The former things have passed away. The dead are destroyed for all eternity

The tabernacle of God is with righteous men/women only. I have explained that Scripture is telling us that God “destroys” the unrighteous by denying them “eternal life.” Eternal life is happiness in heaven forever. Eternal life in the souls of the damned has been destroyed by their own free will choices. Now, they will have torment forever and ever. All damned angels and humans will be in hell forever.

Revelation 20:10
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And** they will be tormented day and night forever and ever**.

Matthew 25:41-45
Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’

It is very plain. The damned, both human and angel, are tormented in everlasting fire (forever).

No it doesn’t. Where do you come up with these off the wall definitions.

Scripture and reasoning/logic.

You need to understand what forever can mean in the bible. Jude 7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. It says here that Sodom and Gomorrha suffered the vengence of eternal fire. Are they burning today? No, Fire in the bible refers to judgment. So, what this is saying is that the results of Sodom and Gomorrha’s judgment is eternal. They are destroyed forever. It’s the same with Rev20:10 The results of their being thrown into the lake of fire is eternal death

Forever has different meanings in Scripture. A covenant is in force forever. This means that the covenant is in force until one of the covenant makers breaks the covenant.

Concerning Sodom, the city was destroyed. It no longer exists except for its ruins.
bibleplus.org/discoveries/sodomfound.htm

Forever also can mean everlasting (never ending). (Matthew 25:41)

A soul is immortal. It can never be destroyed so that it no longer exists.

Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Here “soul” means both soul and spirit. A person’s spirit and body and soul are in hell for eternity. “Destroy” means that “eternal life” has been forfeited/destroyed through mortal sin.

This is talking about fear of the Lord. Jesus doesn’t want anyone to come to Him because they fear eternal punishmet. He wants them to come to Him because they love Him.

No, this is talking about fear of hellfire. Jesus desires everyone to come to Him because they love Him, however, He is realistic. He knows that some people will only obey Him because they fear eternal punishment.

We aren’t nor were we ever God’s enemy. Romans 5:8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. It is us that have turned our backs on Him. Isaiah 59:1Behold, the LORD’s hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
2But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Not true. Adam’s sin made us enemies of God. This is why He sent His Son to be mediator between us and Him. Only Jesus could mediate because only Jesus is both God and Man. Baptism is the means by which Jesus redeems us with His Blood. The merits of His sacrifice are applied to our souls through the waters of Baptism and this Baptism makes us disciples of Christ. (Matthew 28:19)

Romans 5:10
For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

The righteous works come as a result of our being saved. They are not some required adendum added to Christ’s free gift. That wouldn’t make it free would it?

Jesus redeemed all mankind by His death on the cross. He died as a ransom for all. We receive this free gift of grace through Baptism. (1 Timothy 2:6) We did absolutely no works to receive this free gift of grace.

Righteous works are required in order for us to not forfeit Christ’s free gift of grace which we received through Baptism which redeemed us from Adam’s sin and reconciled us to God. Obedience to God’s commandments until we die is required in order for us to inherit eternal life after we die. (Revelation 3:16, Hebrews 5:9, 1 John 2:3-5)

 

[Bill_Pick]

Show me the proof that it is.

The church is the body of all believe the very first Church is aCathloic Church,and you don,t need me to tell you ,your Bible will tell you Mt 16"18-19-- Mt 18-17-18,Luke 10-16 1Tim 3:15 the Pillar of truth…

 

[SHW]

Just so you have both eyes open you’re not only disagreeing with me. You are disagreeing with what the bible says. The soul or human being is a combination of a body and spirit or breath of God. At death the breath/spirit goes back to God. The body goes into the ground and the soul ceases to exist.

Just so you know , this is your private interpretation only. Persons in the OT did not have everything revealed to them so they wrote what they “understood” based on their own primitive viewpoint. Since they saw that people who “died” did not get up again, they assumed that they were no longer conscious of anything. However this is not true, and Jesus Himself shows this in His account/revelation about the rich man and Lazarus:

Luke 16:19-26
There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.

1. We are judged at our “own” particular judgment at the time of death. We go immediately to either hell, purgatory (prison - 1 Peter 3:19) or heaven.
2. Hellfire does not destroy the spirit/soul because the soul/spirit is everlasting/immortal.
3. Lazarus and Abraham are in Abraham’s bosom (Limbo - a place of refreshment) awaiting Jesus’ death and resurrection in order for Jesus to open the gates of heaven so that they can enter heaven. They cannot enter heaven until Jesus redeems them from Adam’s original sin.
4. The rich man is in hell and can never get out.

There are very few that are in heaven. Most are either dead awaiting the resurrection or are still alive on this earth, doing God’s work.Rev14: 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

This is in regard to “saints in the making” on earth. Paul calls the brethren “saints” as encouragement. (Romans 15:26)

1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

The rich man and Lazarus story of Luke 16:19-26 is a parable and should not be taken literally. Also many people use this parable to “prove” that you go to either heaven or hell immediately after death. This is completely missing the point of this parable which is faith. Also v. 31 says And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. They would not hear Jesus because Moses (The Law) and the prophets spoke of Jesus. Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

There can be and are many layers of meaning in Scripture. Jesus told the parable in order to show that there is “life” after death and that we are judged immediately after death. Jesus would not have wanted to mislead persons into thinking anything contrary to TRUTH in His parables, so if He states a rich man is in hell after death, I believe Him. This particular teaching also backs up Matthew 19:23.

 

[SHW]

The CC is not Jesus church

Jesus built only one Church. It is universal/catholic and is called the Catholic Church. It is built upon the rock/Peter. Scripture backs this claim. (Matthew 16:18) He built only one Church and it was built first upon Peter and also upon the other apostles and prophets. Jesus is the Cornerstone of His one Church. (Ephesians 2:20)

Here is **1Tim3:15But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. **
I beleive what pillar and ground of truth is refering to is the living God and not His church.

You are incorrect. The “Church” is the pillar and ground of the truth. The Catholic Church is the church of the living God. This one “Church” belongs to the living God. The Church speaks for God on earth. “Of the living God” explains which “Church” is the pillar and ground of the truth. It is God’s own Church which is the pillar and ground of His truth.

Again a very arrogant statement. I have at least a rudimentary knowledge of sentence structure and I came away with a different conclusion than you. I beleive that you implying that if people don’t come away with the same conclusion that you do are somehow grammatically ignorant is a very presumptuous and haughty statement

I am not haughty, I am being honest. You do not understand sentence structure. All people who do understand correct grammar, come up with the same conclusions as I have.

He built His church upon Himself THE ROCK OF AGES

The Lord is the Rock/stone in the OT. He becomes the Chief Cornerstone of His Church in the NT because the Jews rejected Him.

Matthew 21:42
The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the LORD’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’?

He builds His new Church upon the foundation of Peter, the apostles and the prophets. He solidifies this foundation Himself because He is its Cornerstone.

Jesus said Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. Jn5:39 While He was talking here primarily about the scriptures that had been written. Do you think that He was excluding the ones that would be written.

Of course not. But, Scripture also states:

John 21:25
And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.

2 Timothy 2:2
And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.

Some of these “many other things” that were not written down, such as the Divine Liturgy (Mass), were handed down by oral tradition through Apostolic Succession. This Divine Liturgy (Mass) is how we receive the Body and Blood of Christ which makes it possible for us to inherit eternal life.

John 6:53
Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.

Are you eating the Body and Blood of Christ so that you can have life in you?

His Flesh is real food and His Blood is real drink. It is not symbolic. It is literal. (John 6:55)

Actually this command is given to all of us Matt 28:19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

This command was given only to His apostles and disciples whom He personally trained in His gospel. Paul warns those who teach their own gospel fashioned after their own private interpretations and ideas:

Galatians 1:9
As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

to be continued…

 

[SHW]

Continued:

Since the CC teaches heresy I would invite you along with any other Catholic reading these posts to **Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.Rev 18:4 **

I suggest you keep your false beliefs based upon your own erroneous private Scripture interpretation to yourself since you are “untaught” by Christ’s one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church and therefore you are “unstable.” Ignorant people do not realize that they are ignorant, otherwise they would no longer be ignorant.

2 Peter 3:16
as also in all his (Paul’s) epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

The hierarchy of the Church (bishops, priests, and deacons) have the command and authority from Christ to pass on His gospel. This authority to preach Christ’s gospel was not given to people who pick up a Bible and think that they can interpret it correctly. The Bible was written by Catholics for Catholics and it shows how their faith “lives” the Scriptures when they are correctly interpreted by the Church. Only the Church hierarchy was given this responsibility. They rule over us.

Hebrews 13:17
Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.

This is a command, not a suggestion.

1 Corinthians 14:37
If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that** the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord**.

Jesus was talking to His disciples in luke 10:16He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
Since the CC does not teach what He taught this admonition is for it. Again, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Rev 18:4

Jesus was speaking to His handpicked Apostles and disciples whom He Himself trained in His gospel. He was not speaking to all members of the Church, only the chosen ones who are to rule over us.

2 Corinthians 10:8
For even if I should boast somewhat more about our authority, which the Lord gave us for edification and not for your destruction, I shall not be ashamed—

You are self-taught or else taught by someone else who was self-taught. Scripture states very clearly that those who are “untaught” by His one Church are “unstable” because they have not been taught the truth by the Church hierarchy (those who rule over us). These untaught and unstable persons twist the Scriptures and it leads to their own destruction.

2 Peter 3:16
as also in all his (Paul’s) epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

Paul is speaking of all those persons such as you who protest against the teachings of Christ’s one, holy, catholic/universal, and apostolic Church.

 

[SHW]

HI, All
I don’t know if this response has been given, but dosen’t mediator mean to settle differences between two or more persons etc. And if this is the case what does petition prayer ]have to do with mediation? Would I be wrong in saying Jesus has already mediated for us by His incarnation and crucifixion for the world. My thoughts:???

Just as God told Cain we must conquer sin or more precisely temptation to sin. Gen.4.

Peace, onenow1opcorn:

Christ is the Mediator between God and Men because only He is both God and Man. Christ mediated our reconciliation with God. Adam’s sin made us enemies of God. Christ’s sacrifice redeemed us from Adam’s sin. We accept His free gift of grace (redemption) when we receive baptism so Baptism therefore makes us “adopted” children of God. We are no longer His enemies, we have become His beloved children by receiving Baptism.

Intercessors appeal to God on behalf of others. They intercede by praying for them, etc.

 

[SHW]

If you wouldn’t have read that in Scripture, how would you ever know that the Church is the pillar of truth?

Christ’s Church has also taught us this by her oral teaching.

2 Timothy 2:2
And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.

Paul did not tell the bishop (Timothy) to go read Scripture and only preach what he finds written in Scripture. He said teach others what you have HEARD from me.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word (orally by our preaching) or our epistle (written as Scripture).

 

[Richard_Kastner]

No. All sin is unrighteousness/lawlessness. (1 John 3:4) Sin unto death is mortal sin (unrighteousness). Sin not unto death is venial sin. Mortal sin causes the death of eternal life in the soul. I gave examples of mortal sins which cause the death of eternal life in the soul. Venial sin is sin (unrighteousness), but it does not cause the death of eternal life of the soul.
1 John 5:17
All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.
This “sin not leading to death” is venial sin because it does not cause the death of eternal life in the soul. If you yell at your children because you are in a bad mood, but they have not done anything wrong, then you have sinned. This is a transgression (sin) against the Royal Law of love. This sin, however, does not cause the death of eternal life in the soul. (James 2:8)

Yelling at your chidren as a means of disciplining your children is not a sin unless it violates the law of love and then it becomes sin that if unrepented of will lead to loss of eternal life. There is no such thing as venial sin.

Adam’s sin made us all enemies of God. (Romans 5:9-11)

This doesn’t even make a little sense
Ezekiel 18:20The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Romans 5:9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Doesn’t say anything here about Adam’s sin

Babies are baptized in order to remove original sin from their souls. The main purpose of Baptism is to remove original sin from our souls (Baptism redeems us) so that we can be reconciled to God and become His adopted children. (Ephesians 1:4-6)

No sin is removed by anything man does. I thought you were a Christian. Christians beleive that we are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ.

Baptism makes babies disciples of Christ since Baptism is the means of entering Christ’s New Covenant. We did not put original sin on our souls by our own actions. We can repent of our own personal sins only, not the sins of others such as Adam’s original sin, when we are baptized as adults. But, Baptism does wash away all the sins on our souls at the time of our Baptisms because Christ’s sacrifice is sufficient to remove all sins from our souls, not just original sin.

This is all baloney. I think we’re through here. you keep throwing out the same nonsense. I don’t think we need to keep going around in circles. I will pray the Holy Spirit opens your mind to the truth.

 

[Sellers1]

Christ’s Church has also taught us this by her oral teaching.

2 Timothy 2:2
And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.

Paul did not tell the bishop (Timothy) to go read Scripture and only preach what he finds written in Scripture. He said teach others what you have HEARD from me.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word (orally by our preaching) or our epistle (written as Scripture).

I didn’t say that EVERYTHING is included in Scripture. I am eluding to the teachings that are included in Scripture and can be used for teaching, rebuking etc. Oh wow, look at that. I just quoted Scripture and didn’t even really mean to do it. See how that works?

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Oh really… What about the good thief on the cross – TODAY you will be with me in Paradise.

Let’s take a close look at this verse** Luke 23:43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.** Now, you know or maybe you don’t know that neither Greek nor Hebrew has any punctuation. Now consider these vs.** Jn20:1The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. And 15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. 16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. 17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.** Now, Mary sees Jesus on the third day after His crucifiction and He says that He had not yet raised to His Father. So, it would have been impossible for Jesus to have been in heaven with the theif on the cross on the day He died because He did not return to heaven until two days later. Ok, so what **does **Luke 23:43 say. As I have stated there is no punctuation in Greek. The language of the NT. This was put in when the bible was translated. They did the best job the could, but once in awhile they got it wrong. This is one of those times. The comma in Luke 23:43 should be after today instead of before. You can see how that would change the meaning of the v. Instead of promising the thief that He would be with Him on that same day. He was promising him right now, when you see me bleeding and dying a shameful death, that in this state of disrepair, I promise you that one day you will be with me in Paradise.

 

[BRB1]

There is no such thing as venial sin.

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Sacred Scripture disagrees with you. What traditions taught you this error ?

 

[BRB1]

That church would be the remnant church that keep the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Yes it did go into hiding Rev 12:14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

You belong to an INVISIBLE church … one which didn’t let its light shine bright for 1500 years ?

You must know what you are promoting is not scriptural. What sola tradition do you follow ?

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Sacred Scripture disagrees with you. What traditions taught you this error ?

What tradition taught you the error of venial sin?

 

[Sellers1]

Sacred Scripture disagrees with you. What traditions taught you this error ?

Where is venial sin in Scripture?

 

[Richard_Kastner]

You belong to an INVISIBLE church … one which didn’t let its light shine bright for 1500 years ?

You must know what you are promoting is not scriptural. What sola tradition do you follow ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Kastner
That church would be the remnant church that keep the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Yes it did go into hiding Rev 12:14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

I posted the scriptures that discribe Gods remnant church in the wilderness. So, you are calling these scriptures unscriptural. Open your eyes that you may see, brother or sister.

 

[BRB1]

Where is venial sin in Scripture?

1st John 5:16-17

If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but THERE IS SIN WHICH IS NOT MORTAL.

Thus, Mortals are the Big 10 level sins. Venials are the lesser ones … that the Eucharist will cleanse one of.

 

[BRB1]

That church would be the remnant church that keep the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

I posted the scriptures that discribe Gods remnant church in the wilderness.

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Trace your church through history for us. Who are your forebears ?

Why did they hide out in caves for many centuries … leaving the Catholic Church to produce all the martyrs and great saints ?

 

[Sellers1]

1st John 5:16-17

If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but THERE IS SIN WHICH IS NOT MORTAL.

Thus, Mortals are the Big 10 level sins. Venials are the lesser ones … that the Eucharist will cleanse one of.

It speaks of sin that leads to death and the sin that doesn’t lead to death. It is possibly talking about the Gnostics and how they flatly denied the truth.