Jesus Christ is our only 'mediator' as stated by St. Paul

[SHW]

No, they don’t. The 1Jn passage is talking about the unpardonalbe sin. Which is any sin that is not confessed and repented of. The Matt Passage is talking about quantity.
Rom6:23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Where are the classifications of sin in this v. Don’t you see how dangerous this idea is. Number one. It minimizes the hatefulness and destructive nature of sin. And number two and probably the worst it minimizes Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. That He didn’t die for all sin, because some sin just isn’t that bad and we can take care of those ourselves.

Mortal sin is all sin which causes the loss of eternal life; not just the unpardonable sin which is final unrepentance.

Do you really believe that the punishment for a person who commits murder will be the same as for a person who yells at his children? I don’t.

Here are some examples of mortal sins, and if they are not repented before death, eternal life is forfeited:

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

So, how can you repent when you are six weeks old. …
Our baptism is an announcement to the world that we have taken Jesus as our Lord and Savior.

A six week old child has no need to repent. He is baptized in order to wash away/remit original sin from the soul. (Romans 5) Jesus died on the cross to redeem us from Adam’s original sin. His sacrifice also remits/removes the personal sins from our souls at the time of our baptisms if we do have any personal sins on our souls, because His perfect sacrifice suffices for all sins on our souls at the time of Baptism. Babies are baptized in order to remove original sin from their souls. It makes them disciples of Christ. (Proverbs 22:6)

The main purpose of Baptism is for the remission of Original Sin. This is the sin for which no one except Jesus can atone. No works of the law and no righteous works of man can atone for Original Sin. Also, Jesus’ sacrifice pays the blood atonement for our personal sins which we commit after baptism, but it does not let us off the hook for our own responsibility for atoning for them. OT men and women were righteous because they worshiped and obeyed God. They were called “righteous” thousands of years before Christ was even born. We must take responsibility for our own sins and repent and bear fruits worthy of repentance in order to continue to be saved. (Matthew 3:8) Otherwise we believed in vain and we are not saved.

1 Corinthians 15:2
by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

If you disobey God’s commandments and to not repent before death, then you have believed in vain because you will not inherit eternal life.

Rev 21:4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
How can this v. be true and the idea of a place of eternal torment also be true?

Only the “righteous” have every tear wiped away; not the “damned.”

The biblical definition of “destroy” means that “eternal life is destroyed” and you are damned in hell forever as a consequence of this “loss of eternal life.”

Revelation 20:10
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. All damned persons will be tormented in hell forever and ever. (Matthew 25:41)

This is why Jude 1:23 states: “but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.” Scare them into repenting by telling them about hell and its torments.

Above you said we could atone for our sins by our works. Now you are saying we need Christ. What gives?

Jesus saves. We cooperate with His plan of salvation in order to be saved. Adam’s sin made us all enemies of God. Adam’s sin made it impossible for us to inherit eternal life. Only Jesus could mediate our reconciliation with God because only Jesus is both God and Man. Jesus’ death on the cross redeemed us from Adam’s sin. No works of the law nor righteous works could ever atone for original sin. We could not earn this redemption by any works of our own, so Christ gave redemption to us as a free gift. This gift of redemption does not guarantee that we will inherit eternal life. This gift of redemption gives us HOPE of eternal life only. (Titus 3:7)

In order for us to actually inherit eternal life when we die, we must fear/obey God and work righteousness in order to be accepted (approved) to inherit eternal life. (James 1:12)

Acts 10:34-35
Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.

 

[Richard_Kastner]

They taught the Gospel of Christ, but not all of it was written down. You want to say that it is, because you choose to reject the authority of His Church.

I don’t reject the authority of Christ’s church. I just reject your claim that that church is the CC

Scripture states that we must obey all the traditions. It does not state that we only have to obey the written traditions. I posted Scriptures which prove this very point.

Yea and I disproved every one of your claims.

No, what I am stating is that they taught the WORD OF GOD orally and by letter and this is backed up by Scripture.

I agree.

The CC speaks for Christ.

Again a very arrogant statement. Jesus is the word and that word, all that is necessary unto eternal life, is contained in the bible.

It cannot possibly teach anything contrary to Jesus’ teachings on faith and morals.

Why does it then?

Jesus promised to protect His Church from teaching error because He said that He would be with His Church until He returns. He promised to send the Holy Spirit to guide His one Church into all truth. If His Church teaches error, then this makes Jesus a liar. We know that Jesus is not a liar, therefore His one Church that He founded and built upon Peter first, and also the other apostles and prophets, cannot possibly teach error. Simple reasoning.

Jesus is and will be with His church until He returns. The Holy Spirit does guide His church into all truth. Christ’s church does not teach error and Jesus is not a liar. Jesus did give His word to Peter and the apostles and from them it spread to the world, but that church is not the CC.

Everyone is saved by the grace of God. No one is saved without the grace of God. No person can save himself or any other person without the grace of God. However, a person must cooperate with God’s grace in order to become saved and also to inherit eternal life. A person can reject the grace of God at anytime during his life and lose salvation. And, unless he repents before death, he will not inherit eternal life.

I agree

Quote:
The apostles wrote letters to the churches. Some of these letters are in the bible. They also preached in person to some of these churches.What they taught is JESUS CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED OR THE GOSPEL. There is nothing else needed.

Depends on what you believe the Gospel really is. The gospel is all that the Apostles taught. What else did they teach?

Obey the hierarchy. Go to Church. Live a Christian life. Receive the Eucharist, etc.

So, you are saying, what the apostles taught depends on what you beleive. Another very arrogant statment. The fact is that the gospel has nothing to do with churches or hierachies or eating little peices of bread. What it does have to do with is what Jesus Christ has done for all mankind and that is. He paid the price. I mean, it’s all done. all we have to do is reach out in faith and accept it.

You are making up your own interpretation again. The Church is comprised of all believers. It’s members are subject to the hierarchy. The hierarchy is subject to Christ. Heaven looses what the Church looses. Heaven binds what the Church binds, not the other way around. However, it is true that Jesus will prevent His Church from binding and loosing anything contrary to His Gospel.

Nope, again I’m afraid you and your church are wrong.

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Rich. How do you take this part of the Bible #1 Jn21:25 and also these 2thess2:15=2Tim 2:2=1Cor11:2= iTim 2:13,Acts 2:42–2Jn 1:12–3Jn 1;13-14 Is this the verse you do not believe.

Bill, first of all I would like to say there is no bible v. that I don’t beleive. I didn’t read the ones you posted because I don’t have the time or the incination to decifer your v. citations. If you have something to say why not just say it?

 

[BRB1]

Jesus is and will be with His church until He returns. The Holy Spirit does guide His church into all truth. Christ’s church does not teach error and Jesus is not a liar. Jesus did give His word to Peter and the apostles and from them it spread to the world, but that church is not the CC.

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And, what Church would that be, if not the Church Universal ?

Did the true Church go into hibernation for 1500 years … until your Protestant church came onto the scene ?

 

[SHW]

I’m sure you will agree that this doesn’t mean that we should submit ourselves to any and all that call themselves church hierarchy. I beleive I will submit only to a hierarchy that is in Christ

Of course not. We must submit to Jesus’ legitimate Catholic Church hierarchy which He Himself put into place before He ascended into heaven. We are definitely not supposed to submit to any other hierarchy or private individual who picks up a Bible and decides to interpret it for himself and who makes himself a pastor/priest/elder or bishop.

I beleive the pillar and ground of truth here is refering to the living God and if not I certainly do not beleive the church it is refering to is the CC.

It most certainly is the Catholic Church which is the Church of the living God and it alone is the pillar and ground of the truth. Scripture is not the pillar and ground of the truth, the CC is. If you understand basic sentence structure, you can reach no other conclusion. Jesus only founded one Church, not thousands of them with contradicting doctrines, and He built His one Church upon Peter and changed his name from Simon to Peter/Cephas “Rock” in order to show the significance of His choice for chief steward of His one Church. (Matthew 16:18-19)

Isaiah 28: 9Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

What do you feel was the other one that was not scriptural?

The Church was commanded to teach the gospel of Christ. It was not commanded to write a book and call it the Bible. The Church is responsible for making disciples of all nations through baptism and it alone is commanded to teach these new disciples to observe all that Jesus commanded.

I’m not sure what your point is with all this.

Private interpretation of Scripture leads to heresy. (2 Peter 2:1)

2 Peter 3:15-16
our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

Jesus gave His one Catholic Church only the authority to interpret Scripture infallibly concerning faith and morals. (2 Peter 1:20) The Church speaks for Christ. (Luke 10:16) If you reject His Church, then you reject Him.

 

[SHW]

Gen2:7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. The word for breath here is neshama which also means spirit, so the breath of God is the animating force of man or his spirit. The two together make a soul. You cannot have a soul without both the breath of God and a body. At death the breath or spirit goes back to God who gave it Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. And the body goes into the grave to await the resurrection.
Did you read the above text and my explanation? Just wondering.

Obviously I disagreed with your explanation. Your soul does not need a body in order to be alive. Your body needs a spirit in order to be alive. But, your spirit does not need a body in order to be alive.

We will have to agree to disagree.

There are a few humans in heaven, but only the ones that the bible say are there. the angels certanly do have bodies and yes they do praise God, never said they didn’t.

All humans who are in heaven are saints. The patriarchs and other righteous waited in Limbo (Abraham’s bosom) until Jesus opened the gates of heaven after His death, and then they were allowed to enter heaven. No one could enter heaven until after Jesus died on the cross because no one could enter heaven until Adam’s original sin was atoned for.

Others who were left to die during the deluge but who repented while Noah was safe in the ark were preached to by Jesus during the time period between His death and resurrection. They were still in purgatory (prison). (1 Peter 3:18-20)

Even the rich man in hell was conscious and wanted Lazarus to bring him some water.
(Luke 16:19-26)

Have you not heard any “near death” experiences? Thousands of people refute your “opinion;” your mistaken interpretation of Scripture.

 

[SHW]

I don’t reject the authority of Christ’s church. I just reject your claim that that church is the CC.

Nope, again I’m afraid you and your church are wrong.

Time will tell.

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Mortal sin is all sin which causes the loss of eternal life; not just the unpardonable sin which is final unrepentance.

I was replying to your post on 1 John 15-16 which says:16If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
The sin not unto death here is sin that is repented of. The sin unto death is the unpardonable sin and that sin is any sin that is not repented of.

Do you really believe that the punishment for a person who commits murder will be the same as for a person who yells at his children? I don’t.

I don’t either, because yelling at your children is not sin. 1John3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Breaking God’s law is sin.

You said:

No, once I repent, I become sanctified. This means that I am holy. I first became sanctified at Baptism. I remain sanctified until I commit sin and I still have sanctifying grace if I commit venial sins. I do not remain sanctified if I commit mortal sins such as adultery.

If once you repent you became sanctified and you were first sanctified at your baptism and you were baptised as a baby, you must have repented as a baby. How is that possible.

A six week old child has no need to repent. He is baptized in order to wash away/remit original sin from the soul. (Romans 5) Jesus died on the cross to redeem us from Adam’s original sin. His sacrifice also remits/removes the personal sins from our souls at the time of our baptisms if we do have any personal sins on our souls, because His perfect sacrifice suffices for all sins on our souls at the time of Baptism. Babies are baptized in order to remove original sin from their souls. It makes them disciples of Christ. (Proverbs 22:6)

The main purpose of Baptism is for the remission of Original Sin. This is the sin for which no one except Jesus can atone. No works of the law and no righteous works of man can atone for Original Sin. Also, Jesus’ sacrifice pays the blood atonement for our personal sins which we commit after baptism, but it does not let us off the hook for our own responsibility for atoning for them. OT men and women were righteous because they worshiped and obeyed God. They were called “righteous” thousands of years before Christ was even born. We must take responsibility for our own sins and repent and bear fruits worthy of repentance in order to continue to be saved. (Matthew 3:8) Otherwise we believed in vain and we are not saved.

This is extremely confusing You are basicilly saying here that Jesus sacrifice washes us from the sin that was washed away at baptism. How many times does it have to be washed away? This doesn’t make any sense.

1 Corinthians 15:2
by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

If you disobey God’s commandments and to not repent before death, then you have believed in vain because you will not inherit eternal life.

True, True!

continued

 

[Richard_Kastner]

continuation

Only the “righteous” have every tear wiped away; not the “damned.”

That’s not what it says. It says:3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. The former things have passed away. The dead are destroyed for all eternity

The biblical definition of “destroy” means that “eternal life is destroyed” and you are damned in hell forever as a consequence of this “loss of eternal life.”

No it doesn’t. Where do you come up with these off the wall definitions.

Revelation 20:10
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. All damned persons will be tormented in hell forever and ever. (Matthew 25:41)

You need to understand what forever can mean in the bible. Jude 7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. It says here that Sodom and Gomorrha suffered the vengence of eternal fire. Are they burning today? No, Fire in the bible refers to judgment. So, what this is saying is that the results of Sodom and Gomorrha’s judgment is eternal. They are destroyed forever. It’s the same with Rev20:10 The results of their being thrown into the lake of fire is eternal death

This is why Jude 1:23 states: “but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.” Scare them into repenting by telling them about hell and its torments.

This is talking about fear of the Lord. Jesus doesn’t want anyone to come to Him because they fear eternal punishmet. He wants them to come to Him because they love Him.

Jesus saves. We cooperate with His plan of salvation in order to be saved. Adam’s sin made us all enemies of God. Adam’s sin made it impossible for us to inherit eternal life. Only Jesus could mediate our reconciliation with God because only Jesus is both God and Man. Jesus’ death on the cross redeemed us from Adam’s sin. No works of the law nor righteous works could ever atone for original sin. We could not earn this redemption by any works of our own, so Christ gave redemption to us as a free gift. This gift of redemption does not guarantee that we will inherit eternal life. This gift of redemption gives us HOPE of eternal life only. (Titus 3:7)

In order for us to actually inherit eternal life when we die, we must fear/obey God and work righteousness in order to be accepted (approved) to inherit eternal life. (James 1:12)

Acts 10:34-35
Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.

We aren’t nor were we ever God’s enemy. Romans 5:8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. It is us that have turned our backs on Him. Isaiah 59:1Behold, the LORD’s hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
2But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

The righteous works come as a result of our being saved. They are not some required adendum added to Christ’s free gift. That wouldn’t make it free would it?

 

[Richard_Kastner]

And, what Church would that be, if not the Church Universal ?

Did the true Church go into hibernation for 1500 years … until your Protestant church came onto the scene ?

That church would be the remnant church that keep the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Yes it did go into hiding Rev 12:14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

 

[Bill_Pick]

Rich, The Church does not have to tell you NOT ALL IS IN THE BIBLE,the Bible it self tell you not all is in the BibleJn 21:25 it also tell us the Church is the Pillar of truth 1Tim 3;15

 

[Sellers1]

Rich, The Church does not have to tell you NOT ALL IS IN THE BIBLE,the Bible it self tell you not all is in the BibleJn 21:25 it also tell us the Church is the Pillar of truth 1Tim 3;15

If you wouldn’t have read that in Scripture, how would you ever know that the Church is the pillar of truth?

 

[Bill_Pick]

Bill, first of all I would like to say there is no bible v. that I don’t beleive. I didn’t read the ones you posted because I don’t have the time or the incination to decifer your v. citations. If you have something to say why not just say it?

Rich, I was not trying to offfend I just gave you some Bible verse to read that do not go with your private or your individual interpretations,I was thinking you are looking for the truth,Sorry I can see you are just looking to keep bashing the Chruch ,-BTW what Church do you belong if you do not mind

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Obviously I disagreed with your explanation. Your soul does not need a body in order to be alive. Your body needs a spirit in order to be alive. But, your spirit does not need a body in order to be alive.

Just so you have both eyes open you’re not only disagreeing with me. You are disagreeing with what the bible says. The soul or human being is a combination of a body and spirit or breath of God. At death the breath/spirit goes back to God. The body goes into the ground and the soul ceases to exist.

All humans who are in heaven are saints.

There are very few that are in heaven. Most are either dead awaiting the resurrection or are still alive on this earth, doing God’s work.Rev14: 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

The patriarchs and other righteous waited in Limbo (Abraham’s bosom) until Jesus opened the gates of heaven after His death, and then they were allowed to enter heaven. No one could enter heaven until after Jesus died on the cross because no one could enter heaven until Adam’s original sin was atoned for.

Do you have a biblical precedent for this or is this another example of your oral tradition?

Others who were left to die during the deluge but who repented while Noah was safe in the ark were preached to by Jesus during the time period between His death and resurrection. They were still in purgatory (prison). (1 Peter 3:18-20)

My commentary says this about that.
Textual evidence attests the reading “in spirit” or “as to spirit.” The reading “by the Spirit” (en tō pneumati) has no ancient manuscript support. The latter part of the verse may literally be translated “put to death, indeed, in flesh [sarki], but made alive in spirit
2. “By which” refers back to the preferred reading, “spirit,” which is a reference to Christ in His pre-existent state, a state that, like His post-resurrection, glorified nature may be described as in “spirit.” Compare the expression, “God is spirit,” RSV (see on John 4:24). Christ’s preaching was to the antediluvians, “while the ark was a preparing,” and hence during His pre-existent state. Compare on Heb. 9:14.

Even the rich man in hell was conscious and wanted Lazarus to bring him some water.
(Luke 16:19-26)

The rich man and Lazarus story of Luke 16:19-26 is a parable and should not be taken literally. Also many people use this parable to “prove” that you go to either heaven or hell immediately after death. This is completely missing the point of this parable which is faith. Also v. 31 says And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. They would not hear Jesus because Moses (The Law) and the prophets spoke of Jesus. Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Have you not heard any “near death” experiences? Thousands of people refute your “opinion;” your mistaken interpretation of Scripture.

Yea, I have. The key word is “near”. No one that has had a near death experiece has actually died. Take for instance Lazarus. He had a death experience. According to you he was in the presence of God and Jesus calls him from that perfect presence back to this sinful world. You would have thought he would have said something. But, nothing, that is because he was dead in the grave. Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. I’m not to concerned with what thousands of people think, and this is not my “opinion”. Everything I have said is bcked up by the clear word of God.

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Rich, The Church does not have to tell you NOT ALL IS IN THE BIBLE,the Bible it self tell you not all is in the BibleJn 21:25 it also tell us the Church is the Pillar of truth 1Tim 3;15

Tolstoy’s War and Peace is not in the bible either but I don’t care because reading it will not lead me to eternal life.** Jn21:25And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.** All this is saying is that Jesus did a lot more things than was necessary to put in the bible.

 

[Bill_Pick]

OK I,m sorry I did not see the word NECCESSARY,and did God tell you this or you just know thats what is means.,Rich after reading your post you can write your own Bible and find people to read it,God help us all, and I think you can get Ben to help you write it.
Have a great day and may Our Lord bless you and yours

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Of course not. We must submit to Jesus’ legitimate Catholic Church hierarchy which He Himself put into place before He ascended into heaven. We are definitely not supposed to submit to any other hierarchy or private individual who picks up a Bible and decides to interpret it for himself and who makes himself a pastor/priest/elder or bishop.

The CC is not Jesus church

It most certainly is the Catholic Church which is the Church of the living God and it alone is the pillar and ground of the truth. Scripture is not the pillar and ground of the truth, the CC is.

I don’t beleive I said scripture is the pillar and ground of truth. Here is **1Tim3:15But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. **
I beleive what pillar and ground of truth is refering to is the living God and not His church.

If you understand basic sentence structure, you can reach no other conclusion. Jesus only founded one Church, not thousands of them with contradicting doctrines,

Again a very arrogant statement. I have at least a rudimentary knowledge of sentence structure and I came away with a different conclusion than you. I beleive that you implying that if people don’t come away with the same conclusion that you do are somehow grammatically ignorant is a very presumptuous and haughty statement

and He built His one Church upon Peter and changed his name from Simon to Peter/Cephas “Rock” in order to show the significance of His choice for chief steward of His one Church. (Matthew 16:18-19)

He built His church upon Himself THE ROCK OF AGES

The Church was commanded to teach the gospel of Christ.

True, very true

It was not commanded to write a book and call it the Bible.

Jesus said Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. Jn5:39 While He was talking here primarily about the scriptures that had been written. Do you think that He was excluding the ones that would be written.

The Church is responsible for making disciples of all nations through baptism and it alone is commanded to teach these new disciples to observe all that Jesus commanded.

Actually this command is given to all of us Matt 28:19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Private interpretation of Scripture leads to heresy. (2 Peter 2:1)
2 Peter 3:15-16
our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

Since the CC teaches heresy I would invite you along with any other Catholic reading these posts to **Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.Rev 18:4 **

Jesus gave His one Catholic Church only the authority to interpret Scripture infallibly concerning faith and morals.

The CC is not Jesus church nor did He give it the authority to interpret on fath and morals or anything else.

(2 Peter 1:20) The Church speaks for Christ. (Luke 10:16) If you reject His Church, then you reject Him.

Jesus was talking to His disciples in luke 10:16He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
Since the CC does not teach what He taught this admonition is for it. Again, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Rev 18:4

 

[onenow1]

HI, All
I don’t know if this response has been given, but dosen’t mediator mean to settle differences between two or more persons etc. And if this is the case what does petition prayer ]have to do with mediation? Would I be wrong in saying Jesus has already mediated for us by His incarnation and crucifixion for the world. My thoughts:???

Just as God told Cain we must conquer sin or more precisely temptation to sin. Gen.4.

Peace, onenow1opcorn:

 

[Bill_Pick]

The CC is not Jesus church

I don’t beleive I said scripture is the pillar and ground of truth. Here is **1Tim3:15But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. **
I beleive what pillar and ground of truth is refering to is the living God and not His church.

Again a very arrogant statement. I have at least a rudimentary knowledge of sentence structure and I came away with a different conclusion than you. I beleive that you implying that if people don’t come away with the same conclusion that you do are somehow grammatically ignorant is a very presumptuous and haughty statement

He built His church upon Himself THE ROCK OF AGES

True, very true

Jesus said Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. Jn5:39 While He was talking here primarily about the scriptures that had been written. Do you think that He was excluding the ones that would be written.

Actually this command is given to all of us Matt 28:19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Since the CC teaches heresy I would invite you along with any other Catholic reading these posts to **Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.Rev 18:4 **

The CC is not Jesus church nor did He give it the authority to interpret on fath and morals or anything else.

Jesus was talking to His disciples in luke 10:16He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
Since the CC does not teach what He taught this admonition is for it. Again, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Rev 18:4

Rich This is what you said “The CC is not Jesus church nor did He give it the authority to interpret on fath and morals or anything else” Please show us your prove for this statement and facts

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Rich This is what you said “The CC is not Jesus church nor did He give it the authority to interpret on fath and morals or anything else” Please show us your prove for this statement and facts

Show me the proof that it is.