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Psa 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Suppose these verses are true and when you died you really did go down into silence, your thoughts really did perish, and the dead really did know nothing. If that is true and it certainly is because the bible says so then it would make a big difference whether or not these people were being used for a mediator.
There are so many errors in here, it is hard to know where to begin. One is that Catholics do not use saints for “mediators” in the sense that Christ is our mediator. Only He can mediate salvation for us before God. We request their intercession, which is different.
You have cherry picked out a few verses from scripture, and tried to extract a doctrine from them, ignoring what the Apostles taught, and what the other scriptures record about these matters. This is a very dangerous practice.
Because it would be a big waste of time for those praying to ones who couldn’t hear and for the ones being prayed for in that the ones being prayed to cannot hear. He tells us to pray to the Father. Noone else.
It would be a waste of time, if in fact it were true, but it is not, so it is not a concern.
We are exhorted in scripture many places to pray for one another. The Apostles taught that there was no separation between those who are here on earth, and those who have gone on before us in faith. We are all members of One Body.
And to those who erroneously believed as you do, that the “dead know nothing”, He told them that they know neither the Scriptures, or the power of God, since those in Christ live forevermore.
Let’s look at how you have taking these scriptures out of context:
Psa 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
Look at the very next verse!
Ps 115:17-18
17 The dead do not praise the LORD,
nor do any that go down into silence.
18 But we will bless the LORD
from this time forth and for evermore.
Sounds to me like those who die in the Lord never stop praising Him!
And again:
Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Let us read on…
Ps 146:4-7
When his breath departs he returns to his earth;
on that very day his plans perish.
5 Happy is he whose help is the God of Jacob,
whose hope is in the LORD his God,
6 who made heaven and earth,
the sea, and all that is in them;
who keeps faith for ever;
7 who executes justice for the oppressed;
who gives food to the hungry.
Does it not look to you like the one who hopes in the Lord will be happy? How can the faithful be “happy” forever if they “know nothing”?
On the contrary, the Psalmist here is contrasting the fate of the faithless to that of the faithful.
The Preacher is writing cynically, and if you want to take this verse in Eccl. literally, then you will have to do the same with all the others. Would you like to extract some more doctrine in this bizarre manner?
Let’s try making a doctrine out of this verse:
Eccl 7:15-16
16 Be not righteous overmuch, and do not make yourself overwise; why should you destroy yourself?
Dont’ you think we should not try too hard to be good? Trying to obey God’s commandments, or be too wise will destroy us! Instead, we should strive for mediocrity, don’t you think?
Or how about this one:
Eccl 7:26-28
26 And I found more bitter than death the woman whose heart is snares and nets, and whose hands are fetters; he who pleases God escapes her, but the sinner is taken by her. 27 Behold, this is what I found, says the Preacher, adding one thing to another to find the sum, 28 which my mind has sought repeatedly, but I have not found. One man among a thousand I found, but a woman among all these I have not found.
There is really no point in looking for a godly woman, is there? A woman whose heart is snares and nets is more bitter than death! Is this not an encouragement to the celibate life?
I hope you can see how foolish it is to pick out a verse like this, and try to build a doctrine around it.