True, fortunately I’m in the minor league as far as sin goes so the odd lie here, unkind word there would be quickly forgotten if I had to wait before confessing. My mind is not as it used to be. Another thing that is on my mind is not knowing for sure if the priest I’m confessing my little sins to is not one of those in the major pedophilia league
Your excuse is well taken but …
That is a dangerous error to think that the validity of a sacrament depends on the sanctity of the minister. Baptism is valid even when administered by a sinning minister. So is confession.
It sounds to me that you are saying that we must go though a priest in order to reach God.
That is between you, and God. If you are bold enough to circumvent His directions, then you are bold indeed. Perhaps fortune will favor the bold?
God has commanded that we confess our sins to one another. He empowered the Apostles to forgive and retain sins.
All believers, not just priests and deacons and bishops are to confess our sins with eachother, but it is Christ who forgives.
I appreciate you sincerity, I really do and it makes me love you the more.
I don’t believe there is anything in scripture that says those who died in Christ can make intercession for us. It does say that Christ can make intercession of us. So let’s stick with Jesus praying the the Father on our behalf. For no man cometh unto the Father, but through the Son.
As long as they are on this earth, and not yet in heaven.
So you know the conversation that took place? Interesting.If your premise were correct, then it would either not be possible, or would have been inappropriate for Moses and Elijah to have a conversation with Jesus about His crucifixion. They should have been too busy praising the MOST HIGH to pay attention to what was going on here on earth, and should not have had any interest in what was going to happen to Jesus, since His life was in the hands of His father.
So by my telling you that if you do not pray to the Father through the Son, which is scriptural, is instructing you on that which you should already know? If you did not already know this, then it could be said I was instructing you. Yet, if you did know, then I only am bringing it into rememberance.
And when would you believe any authority given me is of my heavenly Father? If the rain ceased or all women who have abortions starting this January 1 will become barren?
As I said before, I could care less if you are catholic or methodist. We must look past these chains that bind us and seek the gospel of Jesus Christ. We must take down these wall we have built that keeps us from eachother and from God.
The prayer of a righteous man availeth much. I pray the Lord remove that which is between us, in Jesus’ name.
When you can back your argument up with scripture, you can then believe what you wrote above. Yet, if you cannot support is with scripture, then it is a doctrine written by man, adding to the Word of God. And it is written that we are not to add or take away from the Word of God.
Yes, of course, we must all confess, and it is Christ who forgives. When the priest gives absolution, he does so in the name of Christ, acting in the person of Christ. This is what He meant when He authorized them by breathing upon them, saying "whose sins you forgive are forgiven, and whose sins you retain are retained.
This sentence makes no sense to me. Furthermore, there is nothing in scripture that supports such ideas.
This is a tradition of men, started in America in the early 1930’s by the fundamentalist movement. There is nothing wrong with such traditions, but neither do they come from the Apostles.
You are so right! He says we are to render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar’s. that means obedience to the laws of the land (unless they contradict His Laws). Also, if we are faithful in obedience to little things, then He will give us bigger things.
That is why we need a guide that is outside of ourselves. that is why He gave us the Church.
You erroneously conclude that those who offer prayers for others do so apart from the intercession of Christ. This is not the case.
Scritpure does not say this, either.
We know a conversation took place. We know that they were aware of what was happening here on earth, and could speak intelligently about it. Same with Samuel when he appeared to Saul.
All intercession for the good of others is for the glory of God.
You are on a Catholic forum, instructing Catholics to abandon their faith practices because you don’t receive what the Apostles believed and taught as it was delivered to their successors.
When you are in unity with those who were commissioned by Christ.
I trust that you believe this with all sincerity.
Oh, trust me, I see what it is into which I have been indoctrinated. However such a statement indicates that you believe I have been wrongly indoctrinated by the Catholic Church, and that I need to be converted away from it. This is an evangelistic mission on your part.
The Word of God is not confined to Scripture.
If this were true, you would have to throw out your whole NT, since the Catholic Church added the whole thing!
Amen!
You are saying that being Catholic “binds us”, and creates a wall. This is part of your anti-Catholic evangelistic mission on this site. The purpose of CAF is not to give you a venue for converting Catholics into “bible christians”.
Amen! and may all the prayers of the righteous who have gon on before us in the faith be added to ours.
There you go again, heis, telling us what we are allowed to believe, or not.
No, heis. The Christian faith is not “bible based” as you have been led to believe. it is based on the person and Teachings of Jesus, which preceeded the NT. The NT was never intended to contain all of what He revealed to the Church.
I am not saying that. I am saying God commanded you to summon a priest/elder to pray for you when you are ill and God commanded us to confess our trespasses, not to God but to one another (James 5:14-16). Secondly, Jesus gave men power to forgive and retain sin and to bind and loose (regardless whether one deceives oneself saying he would rather go straight to God).
That is what we are saying. Immediately under the High Priest, there are “lower” priests.
No problem with that. But you have to confess your sins to a fellow human being and summon a priest when you are sick, so don’t discount priests entirely.
So confessing my sins to Jesus will not save me?
So scripture is not bible based? Does not the written Word come from spiritually moved men who are submissive to the will of God? And once it is written, does it not stand as proof and reproof. And once written, does it not become bible based? I believe the apostles were chosen for the purpose of bringing about the Word of God into writing, establishing it from what was already written on the fleshly tablets of their hearts. Yet, it was written.
You show me where the Bibles commands us to confess our sins TO JESUS and I will show you where the Bibles commands us to confess our sins TO ONE ANOTHER.
The validity of God’s Word increases “once it is written” down? The same as saying what God said to Abraham, Noah, Lot and others did not have real value until it was finally “written down” by Moses. That is interesting.
So if it is not written, then why do you continue to believe it?
Scripture talks of believers on earth praying for eachother. Yet, it says nothing of praying to those in heaven to make intercession for us. It does say that Christ makes intercession for us, so let us stick with the what is written.
The appearing witness by the apostles were for the benefit of the apostles. For what they witnessed was not of this world, revealing to them even more that Jesus Christ is Lord. Does it not also say they Jesus was visited at times by angels?
Yet, intercession comes only by way of the Son.
It doesn’t matter what forum I am on. As for being taught, do you not know that when a man is born again, the Word of God is written in his heart? Who is the greater teacher, the Holy Spirit or men? And when one does learn a truth from a man, does not the truth come from the Holy Spirit?
Scripture, whether on the heart or on paper is scripture. I will stick with what is written.
The only thing the CC did was compile that which was already written, and even that eventually changed to what we have today, the Authorized King James Bible. It is amazing you believe the CC had a monopoly on the Word of God. I know that many times men from the CC were sent out to confiscate scripture, but were unsuccessful. Do you know how many copies of the Holy Writ were used in the translation of the KJ? And guess what, the CC sure did not offer up any scripture, for they believed that only the priests and above were to control the Word of God, including interpretation.
Well, for every time you claim I am promoting anticatholic propaganda, I could claim your lack of faith in the written Word of God. It is for that reason why you claim I am anticatholic.
Well, for every time you claim I am promoting anticatholic propaganda, I could claim your lack of faith in the written Word of God. It is for that reason why you claim I am anticatholic.
Amen.
MOST, if not ALL threads are started by Catholics? Can you actually read?Hey, everyone, I’d like you to meet my friend, The Wall; I mean elvismanWell, at least God forgives(1John 1:9). Aren’t most if not all threads, started by catholics? Most of them start out on message, and then go sideways, whether by design or accidentally! And of course, it is usually easier to blame us Gentiles for going off topic. Listen, whether we agree, or we’re both a bit stubborn or not, you are my brother in Christ, and I love you for that. And your so called proof, mostly dealt with praying for others while alive. The other examples seemed to be from priests or others in authority, perhaps based in scripture, I don’t know. Jesus is my only mediator, always has been, always will be. I pray to God through Jesus, and catholics may or may not use the saints, and Mary. It doesn’t really matter, when you get right down to it. Ignoramuses?Liars?Blasphemers? C’mon, elvisman, your post does not contain the love of Christ, and you know it:thumbsup:And I was not aware that the church had the authority to alter God’s Law
And like, prayer, confession is a personal choice; no one should feel compelled to go to a priest!
Can a thought be used as proof or does the proof occur once it has been written?
Matt. 6:1-4elvisman: All right, my young brother, I guess we’ll lock horns again next week