Jesus Christ is our only 'mediator' as stated by St. Paul

[1beleevr]

elvisman: Oh, my arrogant, self absorbed, brother in Christ I am not self-separated(better to be separated from man then from God), rather separated from man; and their collective efforts to divide the Body of Christ, with their man-made rules In my 42 year walk with Christ, I have met many people, from different walks of life, different political and religious persuasions, who attempt to tell you, “Well, if you want to get to Heaven, you need to…”. And I also have stated my position, albeit different from yours, and have shown scripture, and Jesus’s words(which I live by), to bolster my position. And think of the “personal choices” you make on a daily basis. What to eat, which route to drive to work, venti, or grande, wheat or white, suit and tie, or Levi’s to church Wom you confess your sins to, or whom your prayers go through, are also personal choices! If I decide that 1John 1: 9 means that He(God) forgives my sins, if I confess and repent, ds that upset Him, or just you? And did the discipkles/apostles receive the Holy Spirit twice or just once(John 20:23, Acts 2:4). If they received in John 20:23, why were they so fearful, and hiding in the upper room, from the wrath of the Sanhedrin? And the reason I mentioned catholics starting threads, was because they always complain that we Gentiles suborn the thread, by going off topic, when it takes two to tango, and catholics, along with everyone else, join right in, and go off topic, on occasion. I like all of the following passages, where it alks about false teachings, and people coming, professing to preach in His name, but trying to make us stray from the Truth! Blessings upon you, my hard core catholic friend:thumbsup:

 

[1beleevr]

elvisman: I believe this white-tipped cane, and dark glasses are for you And unless you serve God, by serving others(beyond your church walls), then you really don’t have the right to condemn those who do(Mark 10:45, Matthew 25:31-40). And obviously, all the scriptures you cied, mean something different to me, than they mean to you! What does Matthew 6:14 mean to you? Could John 20:20-23, mean that Jesus is empowering His disciples to go forward with the Gospel, and to teach everyone about forgiveness and being forgiven? I can’t fathom the idea, that Jesus gave His disciples the same power that God has to forgive sins; nor did He instruct anyone to visit a priest for forgiveness of said sins. Why can’t I say to God(in prayer), “Forgive me Father, for I have sinned?” I would think, that if/when you confess to a priest, you would have to say, "Forgive me father(small ‘f’’), for I have sinned. You see, I would have a hard time, after I left the confessional, believing that my sins were truly forgiven

 

[elvisman]

elvisman: I believe this white-tipped cane, and dark glasses are for you And unless you serve God, by serving others(beyond your church walls), then you really don’t have the right to condemn those who do(Mark 10:45, Matthew 25:31-40). And obviously, all the scriptures you cied, mean something different to me, than they mean to you! What does Matthew 6:14 mean to you? Could John 20:20-23, mean that Jesus is empowering His disciples to go forward with the Gospel, and to teach everyone about forgiveness and being forgiven? I can’t fathom the idea, that Jesus gave His disciples the same power that God has to forgive sins; nor did He instruct anyone to visit a priest for forgiveness of said sins. Why can’t I say to God(in prayer), “Forgive me Father, for I have sinned?” I would think, that if/when you confess to a priest, you would have to say, "Forgive me father(small ‘f’’), for I have sinned. You see, I would have a hard time, after I left the confessional, believing that my sins were truly forgiven

**NOBODY has the power to condemn and I haven’t condemned you. You bear false witness, my friend.

Your feelings about John 20:20-23 and confession are very telling. You say things like, "I would have a hard time believing" and "I can’t fathom the idea".

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The disciples who abandoned Jesus John 6:66 also felt that way when Jesus was telling them that they had to eat his flesh and drink his blood to have eternal life.
They - like you - lacked the faith to trust in the words of Christ.

 

[elvisman]

elvisman: Oh, my arrogant, self absorbed, brother in Christ I am not self-separated(better to be separated from man then from God), rather separated from man; and their collective efforts to divide the Body of Christ, with their man-made rules In my 42 year walk with Christ, I have met many people, from different walks of life, different political and religious persuasions, who attempt to tell you, “Well, if you want to get to Heaven, you need to…”. And I also have stated my position, albeit different from yours, and have shown scripture, and Jesus’s words(which I live by), to bolster my position. And think of the “personal choices” you make on a daily basis. What to eat, which route to drive to work, venti, or grande, wheat or white, suit and tie, or Levi’s to church Wom you confess your sins to, or whom your prayers go through, are also personal choices! If I decide that 1John 1: 9 means that He(God) forgives my sins, if I confess and repent, ds that upset Him, or just you? And did the discipkles/apostles receive the Holy Spirit twice or just once(John 20:23, Acts 2:4). If they received in John 20:23, why were they so fearful, and hiding in the upper room, from the wrath of the Sanhedrin? And the reason I mentioned catholics starting threads, was because they always complain that we Gentiles suborn the thread, by going off topic, when it takes two to tango, and catholics, along with everyone else, join right in, and go off topic, on occasion. I like all of the following passages, where it alks about false teachings, and people coming, professing to preach in His name, but trying to make us stray from the Truth! Blessings upon you, my hard core catholic friend:thumbsup:

Jesus only has ONE body - not many - and you certainly are a seperated brother in Christ.

The reason I call you a seperated brother in Christ is because, although you believe that Jesus died for your sins and that he rose from the dead and ascended into heaven, you deny his word by your disobedience. You disobey the authority he left behind and have chosen to seperate yourself from it.

As for confessing, binding and loosing - Jesus didn’t give us personal choices on the matter - other than to be sincere or not. He gave the power to forgive and the power to NOT forgive to the Church.

PS - For your information, friend, those of us who aren’t Jewish are ALL gentiles. Maybe you should study these terms before making such glaringly ignorant statements.

 

[elvisman]

elvisman: In response to post#976, “I I could speak all the languages of this earth, but did not love others, I would be as a loud gong, clanging, or a cymbal crashing.”(1Cor 13:1) That’s what this post sounds like. And recount for me the last time YOU, elvisman, went to a public place, or knocked on the door of a stranger, and shared the Good News of Christ; or gave them food, showed compasion, or just showed them God’s love? What does Mark 10:45 mean to you? And you, like many others(too countless to name), errantly(not surprisingly) deduce that when God’s servants rejoice about the opportunity to reach out to those less fortunate, that they are boasting in their own good works. Not bragging on myself, but I have made anonymous donations, or prayed for people without being in their presence, without telling anyone. I don’t know about you, but when I have the honor and privilege of serving my Lord, by helping others, I find it very difficult to keep it to myself. Jesus told us not to keep our LIGHT under a bushel, but to let it shine! So, you can chastise me all you want, but I will continue to extol the glorious works of my Saviour in me, and thank Him endlessly for allowing me to go boldly forward in His Name, showing others, what God can do for them:thumbsup:

Fortunately, I don’t have to give an account to you about my charitable efforts - only to God. I will be judged according to my works (Rev. 20:12-13), as will you.

Funny that you should speak of the necessity of working in love, seeing as how you believe in faith alone. Sounds pretty Catholic to me . . .

 

[elvisman]

:thumbsup:And I agree, that in Acts 8:22, Jesus is in that scripture, as He was fully God and fully man. The trinity is, of course, made up of three entities, existing as one, working together. The reason Jesus was able to do miracles, was because of the indwelling of the Spirit of God within Him!

Hmmmm . . . do you believe that Mary was the Mother of God, then?

 

[1beleevr]

elvisman: I think I will begin referring to your posts as “angry rants” !. Whether you believe it or not, I live by every Word that Jesus spoke/speaks! And I still believe that ONLY God has the power to forgive sins. Subsequently, I do not fully believe that down through history, mere mortal men, continued to “pass on” this supposed gift from Christ Let me ask you a question, which may be totally off topic: Think about a typical day or week, in the life of elvisman; now, when going about your business, and personal life, do you think more about your needs, or are you able to put others feelings, and needs before your own? Christ has taugh, or is still teaching us to love others, as ourselves, and to be selfless, rather than selfish. Finally, we are all BLIND to certain things in our Christian walk, but Jesus promises that one day, we will Know the Truth, and the Truth shall set us free. It is too bad that all of God’s children do not share the same desire to serve Him, and to have a ravenous desire for more of Him. When you put out all those scriptures about “blowing a trumpet before you”, etc, you are falsely condemning those in service to our who are overwhelmed with joy, for the privilege of serving. Are there those who do it for their own glory, and boast of it accordingly? Yes, there are, I have witnessed alongside many who do. They say things like,“Did you see what I did?”, instead of saying, “Isn’t it amazing what God is doing?” You don’t even know me, but you include those scriptures, supposedly to suggest, that I boast of my own successes! So, my separated brother, whose arrogance sometimes causes you to spout off without knowing the evidence, I say, May the Lord of all Creation, bless you with mercy, peace and understanding, that is beyond all comprehension! And You really didn’t make a credible defense for the idea of us all having the opportunity to exercise personal choice in how we worship, with whom we worship, who we pray yo, whom we confess our sins to, or anything else. It’s like you don’t believe in personal choice! No matter how you twist John 20:20-23, there are no red letter words, which state, "CONFESS YOUR SINS TO A PRIEST! Ciao, my equally blind friend:thumbsup:

 

[1beleevr]

I do believe that Mary was the mother of Christ in whom the Spirit of God resides, so in essence, she was the mother of God!

 

[1beleevr]

elvisman: I don’t remember asking you for an account of your charitable contributions; just curious if you have ever, or are now engaged in any service opportunities outside of serving your church? I am constantly sharing with fellow Christians about different avenues of service, and we all wind up learning from each other! Our tenet for service is of course mark 10:45, because Jesus came to serve, so we should be equally stoked to serve others in His name. And it makes me sad when others, such as yourself call me separated. But better to be separated from man, than from God!!! And yes, I do dwell in the shelter of the Most High:thumbsup: And yes, I live on the “Bread of Life.”

 

[1beleevr]

elvisman: Okay, maybe condemn is too strong a word Then you are judging me without knowing all the facts, believing that I am doing the works I do for my own glory, and believing that you owe me an account of you charitable actions. As with me, those things, and whether either one of us does get involved with helping our fellow humans, and spreading the Gospel, is between us and God! But, then you accuse me of disobedience, when serving was one of Christ’s commands/ desires for us! On ward Christian Soldiers!!!

 

[avflf]

Hmmmm . . . do you believe that Mary was the Mother of God, then?

Good heavens, Almighty God requiring a human female as a mother??/ What utter nonsense.

 

[placido]

Good heavens, Almighty God requiring a human female as a mother??/ What utter nonsense.

Yes, incarnation - God becoming man - is foolishness to those who perish. And before responding you needed to make sure you know the difference between a mother and a creator. Mary is Mother (not creator) of God because God Himself decided to be born into this world. To say that is “utter nonsense” is to deny the incarnation. To deny the incarnation is to have the spirit of the antichrist. Make your choice.

placido

 

[elvisman]

Good heavens, Almighty God requiring a human female as a mother??/ What utter nonsense.

The Hypostatic Union is utter nonsense?
The fact that Jesus is 100% God and 100% man is utter nonsense?

You, my friend are guilty of the Nestorian heresy which denied these very things and was squelched at the Council of Ephesus in AD 431.

 

[elvisman]

elvisman: I think I will begin referring to your posts as “angry rants” !. Whether you believe it or not, I live by every Word that Jesus spoke/speaks! And I still believe that ONLY God has the power to forgive sins. Subsequently, I do not fully believe that down through history, mere mortal men, continued to “pass on” this supposed gift from Christ Let me ask you a question, which may be totally off topic: Think about a typical day or week, in the life of elvisman; now, when going about your business, and personal life, do you think more about your needs, or are you able to put others feelings, and needs before your own? Christ has taugh, or is still teaching us to love others, as ourselves, and to be selfless, rather than selfish. Finally, we are all BLIND to certain things in our Christian walk, but Jesus promises that one day, we will Know the Truth, and the Truth shall set us free. It is too bad that all of God’s children do not share the same desire to serve Him, and to have a ravenous desire for more of Him. When you put out all those scriptures about “blowing a trumpet before you”, etc, you are falsely condemning those in service to our who are overwhelmed with joy, for the privilege of serving. Are there those who do it for their own glory, and boast of it accordingly? Yes, there are, I have witnessed alongside many who do. They say things like,“Did you see what I did?”, instead of saying, “Isn’t it amazing what God is doing?” You don’t even know me, but you include those scriptures, supposedly to suggest, that I boast of my own successes! So, my separated brother, whose arrogance sometimes causes you to spout off without knowing the evidence, I say, May the Lord of all Creation, bless you with mercy, peace and understanding, that is beyond all comprehension! And You really didn’t make a credible defense for the idea of us all having the opportunity to exercise personal choice in how we worship, with whom we worship, who we pray yo, whom we confess our sins to, or anything else. It’s like you don’t believe in personal choice! No matter how you twist John 20:20-23, there are no red letter words, which state, "CONFESS YOUR SINS TO A PRIEST! Ciao, my equally blind friend

Can you show me the “red letter words” that say “Scripture alone”? How about “Faith alone”? How about an approved list of books that are supposed to make up the Bible? In fact – how about the word, “Bible” itself?

You claim to know the scriptures yet you cannot discern what is explicitly taught and implicitly taught.

Secondly, we ARE blind to some things. the difference is – you CHOOSE to be blind about certain things and therein lies the sin (John 9:41).

Lastly, I’m not angry. You claim that I am because unlike some other poorly-catechized Catholics, I won’t let you get away with misrepresenting the Church.
No** free rides here, my friend.**

elvisman: I don’t remember asking you for an account of your charitable contributions; just curious if you have ever, or are now engaged in any service opportunities outside of serving your church? I am constantly sharing with fellow Christians about different avenues of service, and we all wind up learning from each other! Our tenet for service is of course mark 10:45, because Jesus came to serve, so we should be equally stoked to serve others in His name. And it makes me sad when others, such as yourself call me separated. But better to be separated from man, than from God!!! And yes, I do dwell in the shelter of the Most High And yes, I live on the “Bread of Life.”

You most certainly did ask me for an account:
And recount for me the last time YOU, elvisman, went to a public place, or knocked on the door of a stranger, and shared the Good News of Christ; or gave them food, showed compasion, or just showed them God’s love?.

Also – I call you separated with the hope that someday, you will voluntarily join the body of Christ that you have separated yourself from. Like I said – Jesus only has ONE body – the Catholic Church.

 

[elvisman]

elvisman: Okay, maybe condemn is too strong a word Then you are judging me without knowing all the facts, believing that I am doing the works I do for my own glory, and believing that you owe me an account of you charitable actions. As with me, those things, and whether either one of us does get involved with helping our fellow humans, and spreading the Gospel, is between us and God! But, then you accuse me of disobedience, when serving was one of Christ’s commands/ desires for us! On ward Christian Soldiers!!!

**You are disobedient to Christ because you are disobedient to his Church. Jesus identified himself with his church in Acts 9:4-5. He ****DIDN’T identify himself with the Baptists, Lutherans, Evangelicals or the tens of thousands of other splinter groups and non-denominational “Bible churches”. **
There was only ONE Church at the time and that was the Catholic Church.

 

[1beleevr]

Wasn’t the early church called The Way; and weren’t its “members” called Christians(Antioch)? And watch outfor elvisman, swinging his club of religion and judgement But behold, the Lamb of God, who comes with forgiveness, and salvation! You mentioned the word love in your previous post, but I have yet to feel that in your posts(or many others for that matter) If the “love” you put out on this thread, is representative of the catholic church, then I don’t want any! And blind is as blind does, and if you want to keep me separate, keep up your same posting! You still have not responded as to what personal choice is to you> Did God give us free will? Don’t we choose to go to Heaven or Hell, based on our acceptance or rejection of Christ?

 

[avflf]

The Hypostatic Union is utter nonsense?
The fact that Jesus is 100% God and 100% man is utter nonsense?

You, my friend are guilty of the Nestorian heresy which denied these very things and was squelched at the Council of Ephesus in AD 431.

For Jesus to be 100% human he would have to have two (2) human parents.
Mary was the mother of Jesus who is known as the son of God, not God the Son. There is no such title in Scriptures so the CC must have got it through word of mouth, the so called traditions. To refer to Mary as the Mother of God is obscene for she was only mother to the “human part” and further more, Jesus’ father was God the Holy Spirit, according to your warped view of the Godhead, thus relegating God the Father to being God the Son’s uncle. And you really believe your church has the truth? How gullible…

 

[elvisman]

Wasn’t the early church called The Way; and weren’t its “members” called Christians(Antioch)? And watch outfor elvisman, swinging his club of religion and judgement But behold, the Lamb of God, who comes with forgiveness, and salvation! You mentioned the word love in your previous post, but I have yet to feel that in your posts(or many others for that matter) If the “love” you put out on this thread, is representative of the catholic church, then I don’t want any! And blind is as blind does, and if you want to keep me separate, keep up your same posting! You still have not responded as to what personal choice is to you> Did God give us free will? Don’t we choose to go to Heaven or Hell, based on our acceptance or rejection of Christ?

It is because I love that I’m trying to show you the way home. Nobody likes to be told that they need help. It’s called denial.

Yes, the Way was the code word for the Catholic Church in the middle of the 1st Century, but we have writings from the Early Fathers that show the name was the Catholic Church by the end of that century.

As for free will - we indeed have free will and we are responsible for what we know.
If you reject his Church, you reject him (Luke 10:16, Acts 9:4-5).

 

[elvisman]

For Jesus to be 100% human he would have to have two (2) human parents.
Mary was the mother of Jesus who is known as the son of God, not God the Son. There is no such title in Scriptures so the CC must have got it through word of mouth, the so called traditions. To refer to Mary as the Mother of God is obscene for she was only mother to the “human part” and further more, Jesus’ father was God the Holy Spirit, according to your warped view of the Godhead, thus relegating God the Father to being God the Son’s uncle. And you really believe your church has the truth? How gullible…

Luke 1:43 states emphatically:
"And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?"
STRAIGHT outta the bible!

Congratulations, my uneducated friend - you have fallen into the Nestorian Heresy.

Most Protestant denominations adhere to the Hypostatic Union of Jesus. How is it that you don’t?
Boy, talk about going backwards in the wrong direction . . .

 

[heiscominginthe]

heiscominginthe;5588414:

what man can say that sin is or is not forgiven, for only God can see into the heart of a man.

=onenow1. Absolutely no-one but God can see into the hearts of men; And perhaps your sins were forgiven, but that in itself I think,would be a sin of presumption. But ! heis the question was on John 20: 22-23 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said to the apostles to receive the Holy Spirit, which was symbolic to what would occur on the day of Pentecost. For the Holy Spirit had not been sent as yet, for Jesus had not yet be resurrected.

Do you not realize that this applies to all born again believers who receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit? So we are to pray for each other, we are to confess our sins with each other, we are to pray the Lord keep us from temptation.

The question was :heis how can you retain a sin unless you know what it is ?

One problem is justified sin. The multitude of those who claim to be christian have in one way or another justified this sin or that, often times convincing themselves it is not sin. So is this really sin if the believer claims it is not, even if written in the Word of God as sin?

If a man truly asks Jesus for forgiveness, if a man is truly submissive to the will of God, his sins will be forgiven, regardless if he has a list of remembered sins or not.

Forgiveness comes by way of a truly repenting heart. I don’t care if a man has hundreds of thousands of priests praying for him for an unforgiven sin, he will not be forgiven unless he is truly repenting in his heart.