Jews and Traditional Catholics

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I don’t buy it. Obviously the temple and the Messiah were key figures in Ancient Judism because the post temple survivors made another Messiah Simon bar Kokba and they tried to rebuild the temple under the Roman Emperor Titus.

The Catholic Church is God’s chosen people now, because Divine authority has made it so. Abraham our Father in faith pray for us.
 
From my understanding the rabbinical Judaism of today may have descended from the Pharisees of Jesus’s time. I believe I was listening to a talk given by Dr. Bergsma where he made reference to this.

Unfortunately, there were some who incorrectly stated that Jews could not be saved simply because they were Jewish. So even if they wanted to convert it wouldn’t do them any good.

Obviously this line of reasoning was grossly in error, however they attempted to rectify this false teaching by going to the opposite extreme in saying that Jews were saved simply by being Jewish. The two covenant theory.

That view isn’t biblical, but to say otherwise gets you labeled as anti-Semitic. There is no privileged vs non-privileged route to salvation. Jesus is the only way. We can’t get around it.
 
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Do not fear, our Jewish brothers and sisters will convert but even that term is false. They will come to the fullness of the faith. There is so much bigotry towards Jews and sadly I have seen it since my childhood by the ignorance of SOME Catholics, I just pray. Also many Jews no longer practice their faith, just like Catholics who say they are Catholic but live differently.
 
Why not. If you carefully read all Abrahamic religions, there are certain believes on opposite eschatology within the religions. Jews in Israel knows who he will be.
 
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I love it that we have instant telepathy pertains to the topic. However, if you judge it according to Medievalist Catholic, you obviously knows that they’re indeed lacking of knowledge of “other’s scriptures”. You know what I mean? We’re modern Catholic, hence we could easily gathering top secret texts and interpret it with what actually happen or how those prophecies will turn out. So, one could oppose to what previous Church Father thought on the vision of anti Christ.
 
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What is the mainstream opinion on Jews and their leaders among Traditional Catholics
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If by Traditional Catholic you mean a Roman Catholic who favours the TLM I can’t say.

If by Traditional Catholic you mean a Catholic who is faithful to the Church’s teachings and the Magisterium then the mainstream “opinion” is that we should love Jews as we are called to love everyone else.

Opinions on Judaism itself may vary. I personally operate on a live and let live basis. I have a great admiration for many aspects of Judaism, but ultimately, I believe the fullness of truth lies in Catholicism.
 
I am waiting for the OP to flesh his or her question out a bit more
 
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It seems that no one on this thread has addressed the issue I suspect the OP might be getting at… that there is a very real strain of anti-Semitism in some radical traditionalist circles. Bishop Williamson, who is very famously a holocaust denier, comes to mind. He leads the Remnant, which broke away from the SSPX.
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@preacher_of_christ

I’m going to address it like this: Dr. Taylor Marshall is NOT anti-semitic. Plain and simple.

He actually credits a Jewish rabbi as the person who kick started his journey to the Catholic Church.

Dr. Taylor Marshall, like most faithful Catholic, others simply pray that EVERYONE will one day be Catholic.

I’m sorry, but the so called anti-semitic trend is really among sedevacantists. You will be hard pressed to find this among people who attend diocesan, FSSP, etc Latin Masses. I would even argue that this is rare among the SSPX Chapels.

So - again: where do you find this among so-called “traditionalists” - sedevacantists. Who by the way are not really traditionalist because they are schismatics.

Furthermore, I don’t think these anti-semetic people are limited to the Latin Mass. You can find anti-semites attending the Ordinary Form of the mass too. Bigots are everywhere.

Finally, if the Latin Mass was a place that drew a lot of anti-semitism, then you would be hard pressed to find Jewish converts at the Latin Mass. However, on the contrary, there are many Jewish converts attending the Latin Mass (esp from Orthodox and Conservative Jewish families).

At the FSSP parish near me, there is a Jewish convert who wrote a book and she does local talks about her conversion. Today, one of her sons is in the seminary.

Plus, two “famous” Jewish converts both love and attend the Latin mass. Roy Schoeman (who wrote Salvation is from the Jews) is a Jewish convert and attends a FSSP parish in FL, while Mother Miriam of the Lamb of God (Rosalind Moss) started an order of nuns who prefer the Latin Mass.

Point is: the idea that Catholics who prefer the Latin mass are more likely to be anti-semitic is just ridiculously, scandalous, and wrong.
 
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Bishop Williamson, who is very famously a holocaust denier, comes to mind. He leads the Remnant, which broke away from the SSPX
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False, the Remnant is a newspaper led by Michael Matt
 
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Oh yes, the Temple and the Messiah were important in Ancient Judaism, and still are. Belief in the coming of the Messiah is, after all, one of the 13 tenets of Judaism according to Maimonides. However, more important BY FAR is the Torah (the Written Law) and practicing its commandments. Any Jew of ancient or modern times was/is able to follow the commandments of the Law regardless of whether they ever even set foot in a synagogue.
 
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Thank you, @meltzerboy2. Hope you had an easy fast this Yom Kippur.
 
In your opinion when a Jew becomes a Christian you see it as a conversion. But most Jewish Catholics would differ with you, but would understand your misunderstanding. I am just being picky with words. We are rooted in our Jewish liturgical life as Catholics. You can see this reality when you go to a Synagogue. Have you ever gone to a synagogue for their Shabbat service?
 
Yes, we are also the chosen people, but God has not taken his faithfulness away from the Jews. They too are the chosen ones. We need to share this reality in Christ.
 
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