Jews and Traditional Catholics

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Hmmm…wasn’t that quote from a Freemason?

From my understanding the HRE was indeed Holy (unified by the Catholic religion), Roman (literally crowned by the Pope), and an Empire (the Various germanic peoples didn’t identify as a unifed German people until Prussia unified Germany) The song Was ist des Deutschen Vaterland comes to mind


Or maybe I can’t see the sarcasm in your post 😬 if so, my apologies.
 
Oh my, well this a very general question, ‘thoughts on Jews’.

It would be like asking ‘what do you think about people’?

Also, define Jew? I mean, I have seen that even Jewish communities/groups, as well as rabbis, have very differing opinions on what it means to be Jewish. What one Jewish person says makes you a Jew, another disagrees with.
 
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A people God chose to have a relationship with and God will never revoke His covenant with.
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The old covenant has ended. The new covenant is in effect.
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The Old Covenant & the Jews Traditional Catholicism
Between the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), paragraph 121, and the writings of Cardinal Kasper, I am wondering if “The Great Commission” is still in effect? What about the “Theology of Return?” Have I missed something? Is the Roman Catholic Church still the Ark of Salvation, founded by Jesus Christ, or just one of many ways to the Father? Forty years after the closing of the Second Vatican Council, I’m still shaking my head in total amazement!
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Old Covenant Traditional Catholicism
I have been involved on a long debate in another thread about the possibility of the Old Covenant never being revoked. I wanted to get the opinions of some Traditional Catholics on this subject. I came across a very good article by Mr. John Salza on this very subject and believe it is quite good. Anyone who wants to read it, can look here: Check out question 13: scripturecatholic.com/misc_qa.html So, was the Old Covenant revoked? Please discuss, and use quotes pertaining to this subject b…
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Question about the Old Covenant and the New Covenant Sacred Scripture
I was wondering, I’ve heard that the Old Covenant was fulfilled by Christ and when he created the New Covenant, it voided the Old Covenant (Excluding the 10 commandments and some minor points). If so, from our perspective, Wouldn’t it make the Jewish People’s (who still awaits a messiah) rituals in Judaism useless since its Core Law is the Mosaic Law? Or Is the Old Covenant still valid to the Jewish People along side (if they wanted to) The New Covenant? aka Dual-Covenant Theology. I’m curious…
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I’m curious whether you believe that Jesus is G-d as well as the Messiah, or only the Messiah but not G-d? The Nazarene Jews of today believe the latter: are you a member of this group?
 
Yes, sometimes even when they know very little, if anything, about the subject. Opinions about everything under the sun (and over) are a dime a dozen. Informed opinions, though, are somewhat different.
 
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Also, define Jew? I mean, I have seen that even Jewish communities/groups, as well as rabbis, have very differing opinions on what it means to be Jewish. What one Jewish person says makes you a Jew, another disagrees with.
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In the mid-1990s, the Philadelphia Inquirer, the regional newspaper here in southeastern PA, had a front-page article on this subject. To paraphrase the article: In Israel, the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox rabbinical council decreed that in order to be considered Jewish a person must be at least half-Jewish through his or her mother. This makes the person eligible for Israeli citizenship through the “law of return”. If a person is half-Jewish through his or her father, they are not eligible.
 
Since 1970, the right to immigrate under this law has been extended to include the child and the grandchild of a Jew, the spouse of a child of a Jew and the spouse of the grandchild of a Jew. The purpose of this amendment is to ensure the unity of families, where intermarriage had occurred; it does not apply to persons who had been Jews and had voluntarily changed their religion

https://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/aboutisrael/state/pages/acquisition of israeli nationality.aspx
 
Of course Christ is the fulfillment of the covenant. He is the Messiah…but he is faithful and there is no time in God. He has never broken his covenant with his people…and has opened the door of salvation to we Gentiles. We all, in some way , become the new Israel … but like our Jewish brothers and sisters we keep sinning … breaking the covenant…the heart of Christ.
 
Yet in Reform Judaism, one can be Jewish through one’s father rather than mother if one chooses to identify as Jewish.
 
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The Philadelphia Inquirer had this article in the mid-1990s so that probably supersedes legislation from the 70s.
 
The extract that I posted previously is from the official page of the Israel government about immigration (see link at the bottom of my previous post) so I guess this is current version of the immigration law.
 
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He has never broken his covenant with his people…and has opened the door of salvation to we Gentiles.
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Both the old and new covenant cannot be in effect at the same time. If that were true, then we can have the Priests offer animal sacrifices in place of offering the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. The Old covenant ended 2000 years ago, and was replaced with the New Covenant.
 
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The Church teaches that the old covenant was not abrogated but was instead fulfilled through Christ.
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Council of Basel-Ferrara-Florence, 1431-49 A.D.
It firmly believes, professes and teaches that the legal prescriptions of the old Testament or the Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, holy sacrifices and sacraments, because they were instituted to signify something in the future, although they were adequate for the divine cult of that age, once our lord Jesus Christ who was signified by them had come, came to an end and the sacraments of the new Testament had their beginning. Whoever, after the passion, places his hope in the legal prescriptions and submits himself to them as necessary for salvation and as if faith in Christ without them could not save, sins mortally. It does not deny that from Christ’s passion until the promulgation of the gospel they could have been retained, provided they were in no way believed to be necessary for salvation. But it asserts that after the promulgation of the gospel they cannot be observed without loss of eternal salvation. Therefore it denounces all who after that time observe circumcision, the sabbath and other legal prescriptions as strangers to the faith of Christ and unable to share in eternal salvation, unless they recoil at some time from these errors. Therefore it strictly orders all who glory in the name of Christian, not to practice circumcision either before or after baptism, since whether or not they place their hope in it, it cannot possibly be observed without loss of eternal salvation.

Council of Basel 1431-45 A.D. Council Fathers - Papal Encyclicals
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To indicate that the Old Covenant was not abrogated implies that one can still put their faith in the Old Covenant.
 
The quote you provided explains that Christians are not required to follow all legal prescriptions of Judaism. It is hopefully obvious, though, that we are required to follow others, like the Ten Commandments. That is, moral laws remain but ceremonial laws largely do not.
 
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The quote you provided explains that Christians are not required to follow all legal prescriptions of Judaism. It is hopefully obvious, though, that we are required to follow others, like the Ten Commandments. That is, moral laws remain but ceremonial laws largely do not.
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Perhaps you aren’t reading what I wrote. The old covenant has ended. The new covenant is in effect.

From Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott. Page 292 (Chapter 3 Internal Constitution of the Church, #10 Christ and the Church, ##1 Founder of the Church)
b) On the Cross, Christ consummated the building of the Church. The Old Covenant ceased and the New Covenant sealed with the blood of Christ began. The Fathers and theologians see in the flowing forth of the blood and water from the opened side of Jesus a symbol the emergence of the Church.
 
Margaret_Ann said:
In the mid-1990s, the Philadelphia Inquirer , the regional newspaper here in southeastern PA, had a front-page article on this subject. To paraphrase the article: In Israel, the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox rabbinical council decreed that in order to be considered Jewish a person must be at least half-Jewish through his or her mother. This makes the person eligible for Israeli citizenship through the “law of return”. If a person is half-Jewish through his or her father, they are not eligible.
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Yes I am aware of the whole ‘mother must be Jewish for you to be Jewish’ rule. But it’s more complicated even than this. I’ve heard some Orthodox Jews claim that Jews who do not follow the Jewish faith and believe in God, and no longer Jews, something non religious Jews who see themselves as Jews, obviously reject.
 
My view of Jews come from a very Christian perspective, one that Dr Michael Brown (I don’t know if you have heard of him. He’s a Christian professor and author of Jewish heritage) has also stated.

I believe that Jews were indeed the chosen people and had a covenant with God, as we Christians do. They were chosen, God gave them something, let’s call it, the ‘God particle’, that something extra, that might explain why, despite there being relatively so few Jews in the world compared to others, a large proportion of them are in prominent positions, where they can exert great influence on the world. Generally speaking Jews are known also known to be very intelligent, that’s probably why so many Nobel Prize winners have been Jewish.

The great tragedy for Jewish people, is that when Jesus was sent to them, they turned their backs on him (those that didn’t became Christians). Even worse, many Jews now appear to be turning their backs on God entirely, becoming ‘atheist Jews’.

I remember reading a statistic that the majority of Jews in Israel are atheists. But these atheist Jews still have however, this ‘God particle’, but now, they use their influential positions, whether it be Hollywood, the media industry, wherever, to promote things directly against God. It’s very sad and I do think that by doing this, in some sense, and I know this might be controversial, Jews have betrayed God. They were supposed to be the light that leads by example, but have instead done the opposite. Of course I am generalising here and I am aware Jewish people are not the only ones responsible for spreading vice and evil around the world, but I believe with the high position they had with God, it’s almost worse that they are doing it than some ordinary non-Jewish atheist. Of course you may disagree, but Christian logic seems to be point to this being the case.
 
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