Jews--Christians--Muslims...same God?

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You assume that I have an ego similar to your own. I do not.
What does ego have to do with it? I am merely asking about inconsistencies between the Bible and people’s claims about the Bible. If you do not believe the Bible word-for-word, then that can explain the nature of your responses to my questions.

I am not out to prove that I am right and you are wrong. That would involve ego. On the other hand preaching can be motivated by ego.
 
So, when folks get wiped out, you will notice that something in the Bible will follow it that says something like “and you will know that I am God”. We don’t have to like His methods. We don’t have to understand the why behind His actions. It is of no use to protest, for He is God…
… His concern is for our souls and He acts to bring our souls back home to Him. If it means we have to get hit upside the head a thousand times over to see Him and fully appreciate and understand Him to the full human capacity of understanding, so it will be.
If you disapprove of His methods, that is just too bad. He is not trying to please you. He is elevating you. Once you are there, you will plainly see it was worth whatever it took to get you there. There is a play, the title of it is “Your Arms Are Too Short to Box with God”. You can try, but you wont like where it takes you.

No Christianity does not label God, nor any of the three religions, as having “cruel streak”. Most Christians understand that we cannot direct the actions of God and judging them will do us no good–because He is God. The Old Testament shows man’s journey from a pretty low minded creature to one that was deserving of having the Holy Spirit placed within us–a spark of the divine. It unites us with God. It does not make us God. It allows us to feel His presence around us at all times to aid us in moving closer to Him as we go through various challenges in life. Christians see the mercy and grace of God through the Holy Spirit. One has to take a journey within oneself to find this spark and to act in life to keep it lit. Each person is to be and can be transformed so that the idea of ever criticizing God wont come into your mind. But, even if you do, God certainly understands that we get frustrated. But, even our frustration will be seen as a blessing once we come in full understanding.
Some very good reasoning and comment here. I want to add something, that we tend to recognize God’s wrath throughout the Old Testament, working though armies, killing off the unbelievers, infidels, idol worshippers of the Golden Calf, etc, etc, right? And we all nod our heads in agreement that this is God’s way.
Then what troubles people about the Quran is that it exactly depicts the same thing, only in greater detail, and demonstrates the power of God (Allah, Great Spirit) crushing the idolators yet again.
Moses came down from the mountain, and the people were partying on.
Jesus walks into the Temple, and the money changers were busy partying on.
Muhammad walks into the Ka’aba, and the idolators were partying on.
God says “NO! NO!! NO!!!”

What part of this don’t we understand? hmmm…
 
So, when folks get wiped out, you will notice that something in the Bible will follow it that says something like “and you will know that I am God”. We don’t have to like His methods. We don’t have to understand the why behind His actions. It is of no use to protest, for He is God…
… His concern is for our souls and He acts to bring our souls back home to Him. If it means we have to get hit upside the head a thousand times over to see Him and fully appreciate and understand Him to the full human capacity of understanding, so it will be.
If you disapprove of His methods, that is just too bad. He is not trying to please you. He is elevating you. Once you are there, you will plainly see it was worth whatever it took to get you there. There is a play, the title of it is “Your Arms Are Too Short to Box with God”. You can try, but you wont like where it takes you.

No Christianity does not label God, nor any of the three religions, as having “cruel streak”. Most Christians understand that we cannot direct the actions of God and judging them will do us no good–because He is God. The Old Testament shows man’s journey from a pretty low minded creature to one that was deserving of having the Holy Spirit placed within us–a spark of the divine. It unites us with God. It does not make us God. It allows us to feel His presence around us at all times to aid us in moving closer to Him as we go through various challenges in life. Christians see the mercy and grace of God through the Holy Spirit. One has to take a journey within oneself to find this spark and to act in life to keep it lit. Each person is to be and can be transformed so that the idea of ever criticizing God wont come into your mind. But, even if you do, God certainly understands that we get frustrated. But, even our frustration will be seen as a blessing once we come in full understanding.
Some very good reasoning and comment here. I want to add something, that we tend to recognize God’s wrath throughout the Old Testament, working though armies, killing off the unbelievers, infidels, idol worshippers of the Golden Calf, etc, etc, right? And we all nod our heads in agreement that this is God’s way.
Then what troubles people about the Quran is that it exactly depicts the same thing, only in greater detail, and demonstrates the power of God (Allah, Great Spirit) crushing the idolators yet again.
Moses came down from the mountain, and the people were partying on.
Jesus walks into the Temple, and the money changers were busy partying on.
Muhammad walks into the Ka’aba, and the idolators were partying on.
I agree. I can’t figure out what it is about His actions in the past that makes folks think He is ambiguous in His intent and purposes. Politics, the news, magazines, television shows, the violence,wars, murder, thief, we allow hunger, we allow homelessness, we allow sexual slavery, we run full throttle in our pettiness, we bow to the all mighty dollar more than we do our Lord, and then there is the simple minded way we go about our lives (common vs. wise).

Over and over again we show Him we don’t take Him seriously and then, as we proceed to wipe each other out in thought, deed and/or words every day, we actually have human beings that think they rank high enough in the manner of things, to cry out that “he isn’t a nice guy” or “what kind of god would allow this or that”.

What type of human allows it? Aren’t we here to see what we can do to change all of these things for all of mankind? Isn’t it just that we have failed to adjust our actions to the challenge He has put before us? He sure has given us plenty examples of what He does not tolerate well. He has given us a way to live differently. He had shown us that when we do follow His way, He will hold us up and keep us strong and protected. We just fail to follow.

Instead of asking if it is proper to worship a Creator that has destroyed a bunch of despots and just plain rotten and no good people, how about asking what is wrong with us that after all this time we still refuse to be better?

Good thing another one of His characteristics is patience.
 
Over and over again we show Him we don’t take Him seriously and then, as we proceed to wipe each other out in thought, deed and/or words every day, we actually have human beings that think they rank high enough in the manner of things, to cry out that “he isn’t a nice guy” or “what kind of god would allow this or that”.

What type of human allows it? Aren’t we here to see what we can do to change all of these things for all of mankind? Isn’t it just that we have failed to adjust our actions to the challenge He has put before us? He sure has given us plenty examples of what He does not tolerate well. He has given us a way to live differently. He had shown us that when we do follow His way, He will hold us up and keep us strong and protected. We just fail to follow.
Little Star. You state the truth very well, without trying to rationalize our behavior as humans who are “supposed” to be spiritual and obedient to God. He sends us His Prophets and Messengers and what do we do with them? Every single one of them? Deny, turn away, scoff, behead, crucify, etc. Is it any wonder we are in such a fallen state, that we continue to do the things you say?
Please tell me, Little Star, if this is too much quoting from Baha’i, but this is what my spirit calls me to share to what you have said, for I think that we yearn for the truth it speaks to:
“The first duty prescribed by God for His servants is the recognition of Him Who is the Day Spring of His Revelation and the Fountain of His laws, Who representeth the Godhead in both the Kingdom of His Cause and the world of creation. Whoso achieveth this duty hath attained unto all good; and whoso is deprived thereof, hath gone astray, though he be the author of every righteous deed. It behoveth every one who reacheth this most sublime station, this summit of transcendent glory, to observe every ordinance of Him Who is the Desire of the world. These twin duties are inseparable. Neither is acceptable without the other. Thus hath it been decreed by Him Who is the Source of Divine inspiration.
They whom God hath endued with insight will readily recognize that the precepts laid down by God constitute the highest means for the maintenance of order in the world and the security of its peoples. He that turneth away from them, is accounted among the abject and foolish. We, verily, have commanded you to refuse the dictates of your evil passions and corrupt desires, and not to transgress the bounds which the Pen of the Most High hath fixed, for these are the breath of life unto all created things. The seas of Divine wisdom and divine utterance have risen under the breath of the breeze of the All-Merciful. Hasten to drink your fill, O men of understanding! They that have violated the Covenant of God by breaking His commandments, and have turned back on their heels, these have erred grievously in the sight of God, the All-Possessing, the Most High.”

I hope this isn’t too much from an unfamiliar source to you. Thank you for all of your good and thoughtful comments. You are right on. God bless you, and keep your Faith, please. Pay no mind to those who argue with you and don’t appreciate the depth of your understanding. You lift my heart. 😉
 
Thanks CU…BUT lol…Salvation is not the topic here.
I think CU makes a good point. God (Father, Son, Holy Ghost) is the only One who gives salvation. The worship of the True God is equivalent to salvation. If you are not worshipping the True God because you believe in the True God, you will not be given salvation. Salvation is through Christ alone. Without the Saviour…YOU CANNOT BE SAVED…He would not be called Saviour then and if anyone can get into Heaven then there would be no use for Hell and Jesus would not have brought it up so frequently.
 
So, when folks get wiped out, you will notice that something in the Bible will follow it that says something like “and you will know that I am God”. We don’t have to like His methods. We don’t have to understand the why behind His actions. It is of no use to protest, for He is God…
What part of this don’t we understand? hmmm…
Once again we have a diatribe. Can this be summarized?
 
According to Karen Armstrong, it is not clear of the nature of Yahweh at the time of Abraham:

"Yet we should not assume that either Abraham or Moses believed in their God as we do today. We are so familiar with the Bible story and the subsequent history of Israel that we tend to project our knowledge of later Jewish religion back onto these early historical personages. Accordingly, we assume that the three patriarchs of Israel----Abraham, his son Isaac and his grandson Jacob----were monotheists, that they believed in only one God. This does not seem to have been the case. Indeed, it is probably more accurate to call these early Hebrews pagans who shared many of the religious beliefs of their neighbors in Canaan. They would certainly have believed in the existence of such deities as Marduk, Baal and Anat. They may not all have worshipped the same deity: it is possible that the God of Abraham, the “Fear” or “Kinsman” of Isaac and the “Mighty One” of Jacob were three separate gods.
 
Little Star 'quoting from Baha’i, but this is what my spirit calls me to share to what you have said, for I think that we yearn for the truth it speaks to:

“The first duty prescribed by God for His servants is the recognition of Him Who is the Day Spring of His Revelation and the Fountain of His laws, Who representeth the Godhead in both the Kingdom of His Cause and the world of creation. Whoso achieveth this duty hath attained unto all good; and whoso is deprived thereof, hath gone astray, though he be the author of every righteous deed. It behoveth every one who reacheth this most sublime station, this summit of transcendent glory, to observe every ordinance of Him Who is the Desire of the world. These twin duties are inseparable. Neither is acceptable without the other. Thus hath it been decreed by Him Who is the Source of Divine inspiration.
They whom God hath endued with insight will readily recognize that the precepts laid down by God constitute the highest means for the maintenance of order in the world and the security of its peoples. He that turneth away from them, is accounted among the abject and foolish. We, verily, have commanded you to refuse the dictates of your evil passions and corrupt desires, and not to transgress the bounds which the Pen of the Most High hath fixed, for these are the breath of life unto all created things. The seas of Divine wisdom and divine utterance have risen under the breath of the breeze of the All-Merciful. Hasten to drink your fill, O men of understanding! They that have violated the Covenant of God by breaking His commandments, and have turned back on their heels, these have erred grievously in the sight of God, the All-Possessing, the Most High.”

I hope this isn’t too much from an unfamiliar source to you. Thank you for all of your good and thoughtful comments. You are right on. God bless you, and keep your Faith, please. Pay no mind to those who argue with you and don’t appreciate the depth of your understanding. You lift my heart. 😉
Thank you so much for your kind words. You lift my heart as well. I find great wisdom in the direction given in by the text you quoted. I do have some familiarity with your faith. There was an American singing group that wrote and performed very lovely songs about your faith., Seals and Crofts. Two of their songs were “Summer Breeze” and “Humming Bird Don’t Fly Away”. I also had a close friend in college, an Iranian, that grew up in India. that was of your faith.

While I am a Christian, I see a bit more in Jesus’ teachings than most Christians. First, he is our friend if we so desire. Second, he will guide us to the place within us where God resides as part of us, to a strengthen our ability to live our lives with greater wisdom, patience, and love than we can do on our own. We are to seek this, and live from that place, not just pray and read the Bible.

Please don’t think I am saying it requires a special knowledge or for one to call themselves a Christian. If you believe in God and love God and seek God, you will find Him inside of you. The main requirement, and God could not have made this any clearer, is that you love each other and Him. Now, I was never taught about going within to find God in church and church always left me feeling a bit empty. This was something that came to me when I was a child.

I do believe Jesus is the Son of God. I do believe that we are all God’s children just as Jesus said we were. I do believe that if you believe he was the Son of God and that He and the Father are one, and that He died for your sins, you have a tough road to walk if you want to truly be a Christian. If this was not part of the faith that your soul was born into, God finds a way to bring you home.

I believe that anyone that seeks to walk with God, seeks to know Him intimately, is seeking after what Christians call the Holy Spirit. You don’t have to call the giver of that peace by that name or even acknowledge or understand that this aspect of living is there. You just have to seek it. We are what we are. Seeking it, and living it, and loving God and your fellow man is all that is necessary. It is Truth. God gives all access to the Truth.

I believe in a just God that will not condemn His children just because their souls were born in a faith that calls Him by a different name or describes Him in terms that are the same as what Jesus taught, but worded in a way that reaches the people within that culture. He wants obedient and loving children no matter what they call themselves and He will hold you to Himself as long as you seek Him and love Him and each other.

God is quite clear on the reasons why He will obliterate a people. I have not read anything in the Bible where He says, you gotta call yourself this or that. He says “Know that I am God.” Jesus said that he was the truth and the light and through him we come before God. I truly believe he was talking about how we are to live and treat each other and seek God within. If you are seeking to know God in your heart, and to walk with Him, you are seeking friendship with His Son, even if you don’t say or know that is what you are doing. Any other conclusion is ludicrous.

I frankly don’t worry if some Christians think I am wrong minded in believing this way. God is my judge and I worry that I am in His favor, not that of man. When I was a younger woman there was a Muslim that I would pass everyday going to and from work who was praying to God. The sight of him doing this on the street gave me much peace and a sense of joy. His daily presence in my life was a blessing and he didn’t even know it.

Oops, did a bit of preaching again. I really don’t mean to do that. I just love Him so very much I could go on and on and on. I feel His love when I speak of Him.
 
Continuing with Karen Armstrong’s text:
“We can go further. It is highly likely that Abraham’s God was El, the High God of Canaan. The deity introduces himself to Abraham as El Shaddai (El of the Mountain), which was one of El’s traditional titles. Elsewhere he is called El Elyon (The Most High God) or El of Bethel. The name of the Canaanite High God is preserved in such Hebrew names as Isra-El or Ishma-El. They experienced him in ways that would not have been unfamiliar to the pagans of the Middle East. We shall see that centuries later Israelites found the mana or “holiness” a terrifying experience. On Mount Sinai, for example, he would appear to Moses in the midst of an awe-inspiring volcanic eruption, and the Israelites had to keep their distance. In comparison, Abraham’s god El is a very mild deity. He appears to Abraham as a friend and sometimes even assumes human form. This type of divine apparition, known as an epiphany, was quite common in the pagan world of antiquity. Even though in general the gods were not expected to intervene directly in the lives of moral men and women, certain privileged individuals in mythical times had encountered their gods face to face.”
 
Thank you so much for your kind words. You lift my heart as well. I find great wisdom in the direction given in by the text you quoted. I do have some familiarity with your faith. There was an American singing group that wrote and performed very lovely songs about your faith., Seals and Crofts. Two of their songs were “Summer Breeze” and “Humming Bird Don’t Fly Away”. I also had a close friend in college, an Iranian, that grew up in India. that was of your faith.

While I am a Christian, I see a bit more in Jesus’ teachings than most Christians. First, he is our friend if we so desire. Second, he will guide us to the place within us where God resides as part of us, to a strengthen our ability to live our lives with greater wisdom, patience, and love than we can do on our own. We are to seek this, and live from that place, not just pray and read the Bible.

Oops, did a bit of preaching again. I really don’t mean to do that. I just love Him so very much I could go on and on and on. I feel His love when I speak of Him.
Whose benefit are you writing for? It seems that you approach this subject as an artist, whose motivation is for self expression rather to offer information. This type of response appears to be more for your benefit than for ours.
 
Continuing Karen Armstrong’s text:
“The world was full of gods, who could be perceived unexpectedly at any time, around any corner or in the person of a passing stranger. It seems that ordinary folk may have believed that such divine encounters were possible in their own lives: this may explain the strange story in the Acts of the Apostles when, as late as the first century CE, the apostle Paul and his disciple Barnabas were mistaken for Zeus and Hermes by the people of Lystra in what is now Turkey.
In much the same way, when the Israelites looked back to their own golden age, they saw Abraham, Isaac and Jacob living on familiar terms with their god. El gives them friendly advice, like any sheikh or chieftain: he guides their wanderings, tells them whom to marry and speaks to them in dreams. Occasionally they seem to see him in human form----an idea that would later be anathema to the Israelites.”
 
Continuing Karen Armstrong’s text:
“The world was full of gods, who could be perceived unexpectedly at any time, around any corner or in the person of a passing stranger. It seems that ordinary folk may have believed that such divine encounters were possible in their own lives: this may explain the strange story in the Acts of the Apostles when, as late as the first century CE, the apostle Paul and his disciple Barnabas were mistaken for Zeus and Hermes by the people of Lystra in what is now Turkey.
In much the same way, when the Israelites looked back to their own golden age, they saw Abraham, Isaac and Jacob living on familiar terms with their god. El gives them friendly advice, like any sheikh or chieftain: he guides their wanderings, tells them whom to marry and speaks to them in dreams. Occasionally they seem to see him in human form----an idea that would later be anathema to the Israelites.”
I"God is my judge and I worry that I am in His favor, not that of man."
 
Whose benefit are you writing for? It seems that you approach this subject as an artist, whose motivation is for self expression rather to offer information. This type of response appears to be more for your benefit than for ours.
“God is my judge and I worry that I am in His favor, not that of man”.
 
What nonsense you write, twisting this persons words.
Not the actions of a person that follows Christs teachings, far far removed.
Explain please. I am not preaching. I am not necessarily following Christ’s teachings because that is a biased approach. I am merely asking for Little Star’s reasons for writing. Is it wrong to do that?
 
Explain please. I am not preaching. I am not necessarily following Christ’s teachings because that is a biased approach. I am merely asking for Little Star’s reasons for writing. Is it wrong to do that?
Why do you feel that I am compelled to explain myself to you? I am not. Anyway, be at peace.
 
Why do you feel that I am compelled to explain myself to you? I am not. Anyway, be at peace.
I am not compelling you to do anything. Why do you infer that? Merely asking questions is merely pursuing a dialogue. If you want to preach, then say so.
 
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