Joe Biden Denied Holy Communion

[ForeverLearn]

If the “most” were publicly disobeying Christ, as Biden is, yes.

I don’t think Biden has aborted anyone. He has stated that he is personally against the practice. He just believes it is not the government’s right to make the decision. Render unto Caesar…

 

[Fauken]

I stand by my comments… I find it sad that some of our priests feel compelled to weaponize the Eucharist.

Take it up with the Pope then, since he’s the one who can revise the law that requires it.

 

[Thom18]

Thom18:

Protecting the Eucharist from an unworthy person

I guess we all should abstain from receiving then…

The medicine of the soul does no good to the one who rejects Him whom the medicine is.

Pretty bold statement… seems to imply that you know the state of someone’s relationship with God… I’d refer you back to the litany of bible quotes against doing that.

I stand by my comments… I find it sad that some of our priests feel compelled to weaponize the Eucharist.

1. Not all of us are in a state of mortal sin.
2. I just quoted from 1 Corinthians. Saint Paul didn’t believe that someone in a state of serious sin should receive the Eucharist, and nor do I (or the Church).

Preventing someone in manifest sin from receiving the Eucharistic Lord unworthily is not “weaponizing” Him, no matter how many times you repeat it. Canon Law disagrees with your assessment.

 

[skelly]

I take it to mean Biden’s pastor should talk to him. A priest that is presented with a famous person that isn’t from his parish still has a responsibility to honor both the sacrament and the communicant guarding against sacrilege.

 

[melonhead]

Aquinas11:

If the “most” were publicly disobeying Christ, as Biden is, yes.

I don’t think Biden has aborted anyone. He has stated that he is personally against the practice. He just believes it is not the government’s right to make the decision. Render unto Caesar…

Now flip that mentality onto other evils that have existed.
“I’m personally against slavery, but it’s not the government’s right to tell someone they can’t own a slave.”
“I’m personally against murdering Jews in camps, but if I’m not doing it…”
“I’m personally against euthanasia, but it’s not the government’s right to tell someone they can’t whack their elderly parents.”

Openly supporting an evil practice make one complicit.

 

[Aquinas11]

He has stated that he is personally against the practice. He just believes it is not the government’s right to make the decision.

This year he now says he opposes Hyde amendment (banning government funding of abortion) so now he supports taxpayer money (including from Pro Life Catholics) paying for abortion, and thus supports forcing Pro Life Catholics to fund the murder of babies that contradicts their faith.

“I laid out a health care plan that’s going to provide federally funded health care for all women and women who now are denied even Medicare in their home states,” he said. “It became really clear to me that although the Hyde Amendment was designed to try to split the difference here, to make sure women still had access, you can’t have access if everyone’s covered by a federal policy. That’s why at the same time I announced that policy, I announced that I could no longer continue to abide by the Hyde Amendment.”

 

[ForeverLearn]

Not really, because virtually no one (outside psychopaths) support the atrocities you just mentioned.

 

[Aquinas11]

I don’t think Biden has aborted anyone.

“formal cooperation” is what is required…

Ratzinger’s letter to the US Bishops on Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion. General Principles

1. Regarding the grave sin of abortion or euthanasia, when a person’s formal cooperation becomes manifest (understood, in the case of a Catholic politician, as his consistently campaigning and voting for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws)

 

[Aquinas11]

Yes its like saying “I don’t think Bin Laden killed anyone on 9-11, it was those 15 hijackers…”

 

[PetraG]

That’s odd. I would think Communion lines would always be at least as long as the lines of all the people that went to Reconciliation beforehand.

----EDIT FROM:
Well, no, not exactly. The Church teaches that one of the effects of Holy Communion is to wipe away venial sin. —

----CHANGE TO: Exactly!! The Church teaches that one of the effects of Holy Communion is to wipe away venial sin. If the lines for Reconcillation were longer than the line to receive Holy Communion, it would betray a misunderstanding concerning some of the effects of Holy Communion, one of which is as a weapon against committing mortal sins.—

CCC 1415 Anyone who desires to receive Christ in Eucharistic communion must be in the state of grace. Anyone aware of having sinned mortally must not receive communion without having received absolution in the sacrament of penance.

CCC 1416 Communion with the Body and Blood of Christ increases the communicant’s union with the Lord, forgives his venial sins, and preserves him from grave sins. Since receiving this sacrament strengthens the bonds of charity between the communicant and Christ, it also reinforces the unity of the Church as the Mystical Body of Christ.

CCC 1417 The Church warmly recommends that the faithful receive Holy Communion each time they participate in the celebration of the Eucharist; she obliges them to do so at least once a year.

CCC 1496 The spiritual effects of the sacrament of Penance are:

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  • reconciliation with God by which the penitent recovers grace;
  • reconciliation with the Church;
  • remission of the eternal punishment incurred by mortal sins;
  • remission, at least in part, of temporal punishments resulting from sin;
  • peace and serenity of conscience, and spiritual consolation;
• an increase of spiritual strength for the Christian battle.

CCC 1493 One who desires to obtain reconciliation with God and with the Church, must confess to a priest all the unconfessed grave sins he remembers after having carefully examined his conscience. the confession of venial faults, without being necessary in itself, is nevertheless strongly recommended by the Church.

 

[melonhead]

Yet someone can support the right of a mother to rip apart the child right up until the baby passes through the birth canal, and not be considered a psychopath. Huh.

Perhaps they were extreme examples, but the point was supporting an evil act still has a level of moral culpability associated with it.

 

[Thom18]

Not really, because virtually no one (outside psychopaths) support the atrocities you just mentioned.

You’re right. Instead of supporting slavery, the masses now support the genocide of the unborn. A significantly greater crime against humanity.

 

[yankeesouth]

Fr. Morey is a good priest who is not afraid of doing his job by acting on Jesus’ commandment to love thy neighbor as reflected in Jesus’ warning through St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:27.

 

[Aquinas11]

You’re right. Instead of supporting slavery, the masses now support the genocide of the unborn. A significantly greater crime against humanity.

Slavery = blacks aren’t real people

Abortion = babies aren’t real people

See the pattern? Not ironic both supported by same Party

 

[PetraG]

I don’t think Biden has aborted anyone. He has stated that he is personally against the practice. He just believes it is not the government’s right to make the decision. Render unto Caesar…

This argument carries some weight in Biden’s case, since he does support the Hyde Amendment and has gotten himself into trouble with Democrats for consistently opposing federal funding or direct cooperation with abortion, including “exceptions” such as rape or incest. It is believable that he believes that criminalization is not the way to reduce the prevalence of abortion, rather than that it is not gravely wrong. (The high prevalence of abortions in some countries that do criminalize the practice does give some credibility to this theory.)

Having said that, and even though he voted in favor of a Constitutional amendment to allow states to overturn Roe v. Wade and continues to oppose direct federal support for abortion, he has still failed to uphold the right of a person to life from conception as a human rights matter rather than a religious view. He still uses language like a woman’s right to choose. Even when a prevalent evil is not best opposed by criminalization, nobody ought to talk about the “right” to choose to do it.

In the end, he is the most pro-life of Democrats in national politics and more pro-life than the Republican candidate for governor for 2018. He wouldn’t have been my choice as Exhibit A of a pro-abortion Democrat who claims to be Catholic. That prize goes to the Speaker of the House.

 

[ForeverLearn]

Yes its like saying “I don’t think Bin Laden killed anyone on 9-11, it was those 15 hijackers…”

No it is not. He commanded them to kill and give their lives. Abortion could be legal and 0 of them could be performed. That would be the ultimate goal, to have no reason for the law to even exist.

 

[Aquinas11]

He commanded them to kill and give their lives.

As does Biden to abortion doctors when he says he will keep their pockets filled with taxpayer dollars.

 

[PetraG]

No it is not. He commanded them to kill and give their lives. Abortion could be legal and 0 of them could be performed. That would be the ultimate goal, to have no reason for the law to even exist.

In Biden’s case, he at least has opposed government funding for abortions.

As does Biden to abortion doctors when he says he will keep their pockets filled with taxpayer dollars.

Actually, Planned Parenthood is unhappy about Biden’s continued opposition to federal funding for abortions. He is actually different from essentially every other Democrat in national politics on that front.

 

[ForeverLearn]

Yet someone can support the right of a mother to rip apart the child right up until the baby passes through the birth canal, and not be considered a psychopath. Huh.

Perhaps they were extreme examples, but the point was supporting an evil act still has a level of moral culpability associated with it.

So over 50% of Americans are psychopaths?

 

[godisgood77]

That’s not how I meant to come across… instead I meant to share a consistent theme in the bible wich says that it is wrong for one man to judge the state of another man’s soul… to do so publicly seems scandalous