Joe Biden Vows National Mask Mandate if Elected President

[Cathoholic]

umamibella . . .

We have learnt this virus is air borne, We thought it wasnt. We have also learned is is not primarily a respiratory causing disease, it is a vascular causing disease.

It is not an either/or (respiratory vrs. microvasculitis) umamibella.
It is a yes/and.

Did you know it has one side effect that acts like mumps in the male testes?

Yes I did.

When you have microvasculitis, you can get inflammatory changes potentially in ANY organ due to the inflammation of those organ’s blood vessels.

Meanwhile there is still not an iota of evidence mandated masks on a societal scale can halt corona virus or its spread.

Not one.

 

[Cathoholic]

@Rockoh22 stating a fact about the corona virus pandemic . . .

When this all started, everyone played it down.

LeafByNiggle’s response? . . .

Maybe in some fantasy world, but not this one.

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(The “last month” in the title below was from when the video was put up on Youtube. The video was put up Published on Mar 28, 2020. The date she said this is stamped right on the video in the upper left hand corner - Feb 2.)

NYC Health Commissioner (Orixis Barbot) Last Month: Go Out, Take The Subway, Bus, Attend Parades!​

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Here’s political satirist Mark Dice with some very real video footage that has been much more difficult to find lately on Youtube . . . .

(Footage on Bill de Blasio, Oxiris Barbot, and Nancy Pelosi)

Great Job! 😂

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And from Tucker Carlson . . .

Tucker: How local leaders failed their cities​

732,576 views

Published on Mar 26, 2020

Why has the coronavirus outbreak been so especially devastating in New York City? #FoxNews #Tucker

Tucker: How New York's leaders failed their city | On Air Videos | Fox News

Tucker: How New York's leaders failed their city | Fox News Video

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To the readers here.
Draw your own conclusions.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

@Rockoh22 stating a fact about the corona virus pandemic . . .

When this all started, everyone played it down.

Orixis Barbot is not “everyone”.

To the readers here.
Draw your own conclusions.

I don’t think readers here need your invitation to do that. They all draw their own conclusions anyway.

 

[Cathoholic]

LeafByNiggle . . .

Orixis Barbot is not “everyone”.

Orixis Barbot is also not “in some fantasy world”.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

a mask not only protects you but also protects other people

I dont get why wearing a mask isn’t a pro-life position.

But hey, everyone else’s body, your choice.

 

[umamibella]

It wasn’t when it was implimented though. Just ask the Italians.

That doesnt mean it isnt now. All they need is one burning ember.

How social distancing wasn’t enough.

Science has shown how this virus can spread and how far. The 1.5 M social distancing norm is ineffective in stopping the spread because the virus travels much further.

How quarantining HEALTHY people just did not get us to where we need to go.

Healthy? tested? You do know the biggest spreading group is young people right now, right.

Then you or at least others with those ideas, will be here telling me about the necessity for a rushed-vaccine too.

I am totally against, as are most people, vaccines not rigourously tested for safety. That is a strange thing for you to claim. Just look at the Oxford trial if you need confirmation.

I will try to remember that. The next time I see you “dis” our President.

Right now you are going to have to show me where I dissed your president. Thanks.

It is not an either/or (respiratory vrs. microvasculitis) umamibella.
It is a yes/and.

Actually no, its classification is not either or

Meanwhile there is still not an iota of evidence mandated masks on a societal scale can halt corona virus or its spread.

Not one.

So again, with your claims, show me where one person , an educated science type, who has ever said masks halt the virus dead in its tracks.

Because that is not, nor has ever been the discussion surrounding masks and the science behind their use.

You have a lot of errors in your arguments here. Are you reading media mis information by groups who are against these things?

 

[Cathoholic]

umamibella . . .

We are not about flattening the curve here, in Victoria. We are about eliminating the virus.

Sure.

To everybody else.

Check out the non-mask wearing (in addition to other “non-scientific stuff” to aid in being all about “eliminating the virus”)
in the recent photo from Milton, Australia (admitedly not in Victoria). . . .

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WATCH: Half-naked indigenous man invokes pagan spirits during dance at Australian deacon’s ordination​

‘I asked for protection from the air, the earth, and then the ocean,’ the man said from the ambo after the dance. ‘And then that dance to call the spirits of all those animals to look after us all and keep up safe.’

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A man dressed savage-like dances prior to the ordination of a deacon in an Australian parish in Milton, New South Wales, Aug. 28, 2020.Milton Parish / Youtube

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MILTON, New South Wales, Australia, September 8, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) — Pagan spirits were invoked via drumming, chanting, and a ritual dance by a man dressed savage-like prior to the ordination Mass of a married deacon in Australia. . . .

WATCH: Dancer invokes pagan spirits during ceremony at Australian deacon’s ordination - LifeSite

'I asked for protection from the air, the earth, and then the ocean,' the man said from the ambo after the dance. 'And then that dance to call the spirits of all those animals to look after us all and keep us safe.'

www.lifesitenews.com

 

[umamibella]

Sure.

To everybody else.

Check out the non-mask wearing in the recent photo from Milton, Australia (admitedly not in Victoria). . . .

Victoria is not Milton . NSW has it own rules. Whats you point? Its like comparing DC and NYC.

Also what does that link have to do with this thread? That news link is absolutely disgusting in its lack of sensitivity about cultural reporting.
Its lifesitenews which explains it.

Are you trying to offer an article from lifesitenews ,unrelated to mask wearing and eliminating covid as some sort of proof?

Are you serious?

‘A man dressed savage like’ come on. Try saying that in your country and see where it ends.

’ A man dressed savage like’

Do you believe that is acceptable language?

 

[Cathoholic]

Victoris is not Milton . . . Whats you point?

The point is obvious. At least I thought so.

How is mask wearing over here, going to help when there is wanton NON-mask wearing over there?

Are you isolated from one another?

Even pretending masks were efficacious,
common sense tells you this is a policy based upon failure.

Mask people comingling with non-mask people (even pretending masks work) = Failure.

(Not to mention calling upon animal spirits to protect them. Does not sound to me like this is “about eliminating the virus” to me either.)

 

[umamibella]

Victoris is not Milton . . . Whats you point?

So you condone lifesitenews printing such drivel, not knowing whats going on, obviously.
You also condone
’ man dressed like a savage’

As far as mask wearing in Victoria is concerned, mate, its going quite well. Thanks for asking.

Ever been to Australia and traveled here? any idea of the distance between NSW and Vic?

Keep dragging the bottom of the barrel to win internet debates. That is what you just did. The standard being a lifesitenews article claiming

‘A man dressed savage like’ Good on you.

My advice is go for a breather from the internet.

 

[Cathoholic]

umamibella on getting exposed as at least partially maskless (now attempts to switch gears to ad hominem LifeSiteNews) . . .

So you condone lifesitenews printing such drivel

Ahhhaa. Now the problem is LifeSite and me.

Meanwhile you are still maskless in one sense, and telling me about the virtues of masking and all about how serious you are in “eliminating the virus”.

With nowhere to go scientifically with your argument against the picture, why not just admit you are wrong? Or at least lack evidence on being right about all about “eliminating the virus”?

Why go to the ad hominem fallacy?

Ever been to Australia and traveled here?

I’m not telling you.

any idea of the distance between NSW and Vic?

It is irrelevant if they are comingling.

 

[umamibella]

umamibella on getting exposed as at least partially maskless (now attempts to switch gears to ad hominem LifeSiteNews) . . .

What on earth are you on about? You really should quit this because you are not listening.
Again NSW has different mask rules to Victoria. Dont you get that. NSW dont have mandatory mask wearing, we do in Victoria. Its not rocket science to understand.

NSW still has Mass, we dont in Victoria. Its on hold in lockdown.

Ahhhaa. Now the problem is LifeSite and me.

Meanwhile you are still maskless in one sense, and telling me about the virtues of masking and all about how serious you are in “eliminating the virus”.

With nowhere to go scientifically with your argument against the picture, why not just admit you are wrong?

Why go to the ad hominem fallacy?

You can cry wolf all you want but to condone ’ a man dressed savage like’’ is all sorts of unbelievable.

I’m not telling you.

Clearly not, given you dont understand our distance. We have had this conversation on another thread where I had to educate you on our borders between states and roads system.

It is irrelevant if they are comingling.

See again I have to educate you about whats happening at the moment because from this statement you have no idea.

This is getting pretty old pretty fast.

 

[Cathoholic]

umamibella . . .

Again NSW has different mask rules to Victoria.

So what?

If you are comingling with each other it is irrelevant to a certain extent. Do you have a travel ban from NSW to Victoria and back?

It’s not rocket science to understand.

 

[umamibella]

So what?

If you are comingling with each other it is irrelevant to a certain extent.

It’s not rocket science to understand.

So what? great question, why so what.

Co mingling again. This statement tells me you have absolutely no clue whats going on here and whats more, rather then asking what is going on with different states and ’ co mingling’ as it is quaintly put, you still insist in posting inaccuracies and arguing non existent points.

Do you have a travel ban from NSW to Victoria and back?

Heres a clue, google is your friend since you would not listen to me, a Victorian in lockdown.

 

[umamibella]

I look forward to your nuanced post on our current borders in Covid. Include some border crossing pictures .
While you are at it, include other interstate and overseas travel.

 

[Cathoholic]

umamibella . . .

I look forward to your nuanced post on our current borders in Covid.

Well await no more.

umamibella . . .

Co mingling again. This statement tells me you have absolutely no clue whats going on here and whats more, rather then asking what is going on with different states and ’ co mingling’ as it is quaintly put, you still insist in posting inaccuracies and arguing non existent points.

You are 550 miles away from each other.

Big deal.

Don’t you drive cars?

Don’t you take airplanes?

Don’t you visit one another?

If you run around with a mask for a month in Vic. then go to NSW and get infected, and don’t realize it till you are back in Victoria for a week, you could have passed on the infection to many others and start the cycle all over again. (Or vice versa.)

That is NOT “eliminating the virus”. It is passing it on via comingling.

I have no idea why you cannot see your own self-contradictions.

The 500 plus miles from each other is not any more
mask insulation than Wuhan China to New York (which is a lot further than 500 + miles away). IF you are comingling.

It’s not rocket science to understand.

 

[umamibella]

You are 550 miles away from each other.

Big deal.

Don’t you drive cars?

Don’t you take airplanes?

Don’t you visit one another?

If you run around with a mask for a month in Vic. then go to NSW and get infected, and don’t realize it till you are back in Victoria for a week, you could have passed on the infection to many others and start the cycle all over again.

That is NOT “eliminating the virus”. It is passing it on via comingling.

I have no idea why you cannot see your own self-contradictions.

The 500 plus miles from each other is not any more insulation than Wuhan China to New York (which is a lot further than 500 + miles away). IF you are comingling.

It’s not rocket science to understand.

And yet, none of this addresses whether we are able to cross borders or not at the moment.

So yeah,

Well await no more.

I will await your nuanced post on this issue, there is tonnes of reporting on it as its a hot item

Given this is your thread and you have dragged it way off topic I wont flag as off topic either.

 

[Cathoholic]

umamibella . . .

And yet, none of this addresses whether we are able to cross borders or not at the moment.

Well I’ve asked you about that several times and have had no direct answer.

Here is one of those times . . .

Do you have a travel ban from NSW to Victoria and back?

So I am assuming you ARE comingling with each other.

If you are not, why not just say so a half dozen posts ago? Just tell me if you do not have open borders between Victoria and NSW (within Australia).

Are you or are you not comingling?

This suggests you ARE comingling . . .

https://www.google.com/flights?prmd...9-25*./m/0chgzm.2020-09-29;c:USD;e:1;sd:1;t:e

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umamibella . . .

Given this is your thread and you have dragged it way off topic I wont flag as off topic either.

Huh!!??

What are you referring to?

This is as much about mask mandates or no mask mandates,
as it is about Joe Biden favoring mask mandates, but now flopping on mask mandates.

 

[Cathoholic]

umamibella . . .

Include some border crossing pictures .

I went one better and got you flight ticket cost information not only with Melbourne Victoria Australia to Sydney NSW Australia, but out of the country as well.

Notice by the way, there is comingling not only with other Australian states but other countries too from my flight ticket info.

 

[Cathoholic]

umamibella to me . . .

Again NSW has different mask rules to Victoria. Dont you get that.

Yes. Of course I get that.

That is the whole foundation for my argument.

If you have different rules, but are comingling, you are not isolating from people who are maskless.

You are just selectively masking in some cases.