Joe Biden Vows National Mask Mandate if Elected President

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umamibella . . .
Its hard to believe people are dying from economic woes in first world countries.
REALLY?

If you want, I will be happy to post the suicide hotline statistics and how they have burgeoned since corona mania.
 
Well I’ve asked you about that several times and have had no direct answer.
Actually I have, but you did not listen, on previous threads. You even put up a map of Australia on one thread after we discussed it.
I went one better and got you flight ticket cost information not only with Melbourne Victoria Australia to Sydney NSW Australia, but out of the country as well.

Notice by the way, there is comingling not only with other Australian states but other countries too from my flight ticket info.
Again this does not address the question. But thanks anyway. Not that I, as Victorian would be legally allowed to go anywhere, let alone out of the State.

Here is a clue, the borders are SHUT.
REALLY?

If you want, I will be happy to post the suicide hotline statistics and how they have burgeoned since corona mania.
Suicide results from mental illness. If you meant suicide you should have said so rather then economic woes. If there is a rise in mental illnes then again,the Government of the country should be addressing it.
 
So I am assuming you ARE comingling with each other.
You assume wrong.

one more time

The borders are SHUT
Yes. Of course I get that.

That is the whole foundation for my argument.

If you have different rules, but are comingling, you are not isolating from people who are maskless.

You are just selectively masking in some cases.
SHUT

We might be shut until next year, We are not allowed to co mingle with anyone. We are also in lockdown in Victoria. That is to stop us co mingling ( such a quaint word) with each other.
 
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SuperLawyer:
Same thing with the Antifa/BLM rioting. He refused to say a word about it until polling showed that the American electorate doesn’t support it.
AFAIK, he still hasn’t condemned Antifa and BLM for their violence.
He has condemned all violence. That would include any violence by these groups.
 
interesting thought but does it work for novel viruses. So many indigenous died here from small pox and the common cold brought here by settlement.
At some point in ancient history, smallpox jumped from (probably cattle) some vector to humans, undergoing some mutational changes in the process. Immense numbers of people likely died of it, but some didn’t. Those who didn’t possessed some kind of resistance factor that allowed them to defeat the disease, though with difficulty. Those people lived and passed the genetic capability on to their progeny. Human immunity is as complex as bacterial and viral construction, and probably no known disease exists to which there is not some bit of inherent human immunity. People have even survived Ebola, though it’s extremely rare.

The same would be true of the common cold and the coronavirus we think of as a “cold”. As to the Indians, once those who had no inherent defense died, the extreme die-off was over. Those with some smidgen of inherent ability to resist lived on and passed the capability to their progeny.

There is no reason to think of Covid in any other way, and perhaps every reason to think Covid may be unusually susceptible to inherent human immunities. After all, probably many more are exposed than acquire infection and many who acquire it don’t even know it. Resistance is going on without a vaccine.
 
We are not allowed to co mingle with anyone.
Please take no offense, but this might be like New Zealand where isolation seemed to stop the disease, but then it broke out again. I don’t see how Victoria is going to keep all potentially infected outsiders out forever.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
He has condemned all violence. That would include any violence by these groups.
He won’t mention them by name. Trump was criticized for not mentioning white supremacists by name at first. Biden should be held to the same standard.
But Trump was not held to that standard. He stuck to his story and won.
 
Please take no offense, but this might be like New Zealand where isolation seemed to stop the disease, but then it broke out again. I don’t see how Victoria is going to keep all potentially infected outsiders out forever.
I was just reading that the source of the NZ issue is still an absolute mystery but the DNA shows a link to either Australia or UK. The question is will that mystery ever be resolved. I have a sneaking suspicion it might have been due to some sort of illegal goings on.

With our border shut down, its actually to keep us out of other states so we dont infect them. We may never be able to leave Victoria again, the other states dont want us! In all seriousness though, the borders out of Victoria may stay shut for 2 years, or until a vaccine.

No offense taken, you are raising very good points.
 
the borders out of Victoria may stay shut for 2 years, or until a vaccine.
And if, as Dr. Fauci opines, even a successful vaccine is unlikely to have lasting effect, does Victoria stay locked down? Obviously, I’m not very optimistic about this. If I had to guess, and at this point we’re all guessing, I would say it will become endemic or is already, and it will lurk around forever, just like the coronavirus that causes 20% of “colds”.
 
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And if, as Dr. Fauci opines, even a successful vaccine is unlikely to have lasting effect, does Victoria stay locked down? Obviously, I’m not very optimistic about this. If I had to guess, and at this point we’re all guessing, I would say it will become endemic or is already, and it will lurk around forever, just like the coronavirus that causes 20% of “colds”.
We are on our way out of lockdown, that is different to the borders staying shut. Lockdown means a list of what we can or cannot do here within Victoria. Other states have closed their borders to us. Even if they had not, while we are in lockdown we cannot go anywhere,
 
umamibella . . .
The borders are SHUT . . . . That is to stop us co mingling
Why not just say this a dozen posts ago?

I’ll be watching to see how it all goes.
If the virus is endemic, you will have a long wait.
 
Another example is when someone says “Black Lives Matter” others counter with “All Lives Matter”. They refuse to condemn violence against blacks, except under the heading of condemning violence against everyone. So it is illogical to claim that because Biden does not name every group that has ever committed violence that he implicitly tolerates violence from any of them.
 
I suspect you are misquoting the esteemed Dr. Fauci.
I didn’t quote him at all.

But he did say he questioned whether any vaccine would be of lasting benefit, saying vaccines for other coronaviruses have not been. He also didn’t think they would be more than perhaps 75% or even 50% of the time.
 
Another example is when someone says “Black Lives Matter” others counter with “All Lives Matter”.
One shouldn’t counter the other, as both are true.
They refuse to condemn violence against blacks, except under the heading of condemning violence against everyone.
That’s an accusation that lacks evidence. It is quite possible to condemn violence against blacks and still say “all lives matter”.
It is curious, however, that BLM seems uninterested in the violence against blacks everyday in places like Chicago by other blacks.
So it is illogical to claim that because Biden does not name every group
I’m not talking about naming every group. I’m talking about naming the two most violent groups in America today. Antifa and BLM.
he implicitly tolerates violence from any of them.
So, he should have no problem condemning BLM and Antifa for their violence.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
I suspect you are misquoting the esteemed Dr. Fauci.
I didn’t quote him at all.

But he did say he questioned whether any vaccine would be of lasting benefit, saying vaccines for other coronaviruses have not been. He also didn’t think they would be more than perhaps 75% or even 50% of the time.
If you are not quoting him then I think you are misinterpreting him. Find the source of your impressions and we can look at it together and see if that is what he opined.
 
As you have accused me of misrepresenting Fauci, I will not engage with you further on this. I won’t flag you because I don’t like that. But I’m not staying with this. You know what Fauci said.
 
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