When this all started, everyone played it down. Trump was one of the first “big” figures to do something about it. When he made the travel ban, he was called xenophobic and many democrat leaders went out telling people not to fear and celebrate the Chinese “New Year”
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Leaf. How long of a “not-endemic” do you need to admit you are wrong here?
Maybe in some fantasy world, but not this one. It was not that long ago and we all know what we saw and heard.
Another distortion. The fact is at that time, people were going to restaurants without worry, because at that time the virus was not widespread yet. However there was an exception: Chinese restaurants. Rumors were going around that you are much more likely to catch this virus in a Chinese restaurant than in a Perkins or Applebees. This was unfair. If everyone is going to other restaurants, but not Chinese restaurants because of a false idea, it was totally appropriate for mention by the Democrats. At that same time, Republicans were encouraging people to keep going to other restaurants. So if you are going to bring up the Democrats telling people to continue going to Chinatown, make sure you tell the whole story.
Selective hearing? I said this. But I did not think I needed to spell everything out, and give a history lesson.
How silly. Trump’s handling it poorly, but public health people are handling it extremely well. Just politics.
No. They did. I hear Fauci say it myself. So did that fellow at WHO.
Yet, you have given us no evidence whatever to the contrary. No evidence that any of the experts expect it to go away completely…ever. If you have such evidence, share it.
Yet Biden says he’ll do it again if the “experts” think it’s warranted.
I don’t know why you are presenting this fiction. It just did not happen at all like that. Are you trying out for the part of Gregory Anton?
Please do easily debunk me. Give me the examples when the Democratic leaders agree with Trump.
I listened to that clip. He did not say it is no big deal. He said we need to take it seriously. But when the right-wing media engages in prooftexting they can manufacture all sorts of scandals for the gullible.
The important qualifier is “Now, in the United States”. Dr. Fauci is a smart man. He does not make unqualified remarks when a qualified remark is called for.
I did. I said that public health officials are fighting this virus as if it is important to beat it. They are not treating it like something that everyone is going to have catch some day.
Do what again? No more vague accusations, please. “Shut down the economy” is too vague a term to use without qualification.
They are still doing better than the US, which is also on the rise in many places, but at much higher levels.
Now count again, but this time only count developed countries.
The burden of proof is on you for saying those things happened.
Leaf, you said I wrote fiction. Great. I do live in Fantasy. Bring me to the real world. You said I was wrong. Then correct me, otherwise, what is even the point of you “correcting” me? To argue? If I am wrong, I can change.
Flattening the curve is an outdated and ineffective strategy. It just doesnt work. It made great pr though and fed the masses in the initial stages of the virus.
Just doesnt work. Why? because as soon as the virus takes off again, the medical system is overwhelmed and or hospitals and their wards have to close and staff go into iso because of the virus in the hospital itself and running riot through the staff.
Its hard to believe people are dying from economic woes in first world countries. That is an issue that the government of the country should be addressing.
I dont really care about who says what , I care about the spread of this virus and stopping its spread. WE are never going to get back to normal globally until this is addressed. Masks work. They limit the spread. Thats a scientific proven. It doesnt matter who disses what policy of a politician, it matters that the science has proven that masks limit the spread of a virus that lives and replicates in the upper respiratory tract.
In other words, I was right but you attribute it to a “right wing media” guy ignoring, of course, the left wing media pressure the guy gets.
In other words, he said exactly what I said he did; that at that time at least, he saw no reason whatsoever to wear a mask. As I said before, these people can change their minds about things like masks, and Fauci is one who did.
In other words, I was right. You have never seen any of these experts say Covid is going to go away completely…ever.
Biden was, of course, vague when he said it. Don’t blame me.
In other words, you acknowledge that there is a second wave going on in Europe, just as I said. In case doubling time, the U.S. is 94th worldwide.
And do you think you’ll eliminate it forever with masks? Or are you simply going to suppress it for awhile?
Nope not just with face masks, that is just part of our arsenal. When we are in a war , with each battle we use what weapons we have at our disposals. Masks are one of our weapons.
I don’t think anybody knows for sure. But among the stronger possibilities are:
If that has been done in the U.S. I have not heard of it.
Supposedly, the more successful diseases are the least harmful because the less harmful don’t kill their hosts. But I don’t think anybody has a prediction at this point.
interesting thought but does it work for novel viruses. So many indigenous died here from small pox and the common cold brought here by settlement.
95% of the time, when people say “in other words”, they are grossly changing what was said to suit their argument. These are both such times. Fauci never said the exact words “no big deal” with regard to the threat of covid-19, and he always qualified his statements about masks, never claiming that his recommendation applied to anything more than the current time at which he said it.
Another misuse of “in other words.” Why do we need to pretend that “other words” mean the same thing as the actual words. Why not use the actual words themselves and not try to spin them?
In which case what he said was no threat to you or your way of life.
Misuse #4 of “in other words”.
This sounds like one of those obscure statistics that a baseball color announcer comes up with during a lull in the action. Meaningless to current game.
If we keep it in check until a vaccine is available, thousands of lives will be saved. And some day they may even find an effective post-infection treatment. So the masks do not have to carry the load all themselves.
It wasn’t when it was implimented though. Just ask the Italians.
It has worked. Our health care system did not destruct in any sense of the word.
Government mandated masks make great PR too.
In a year or two or whatever the rushed-vaccine crowd will be telling you how masks did not do it.
I will try to remember that. The next time I see you “dis” our President.