John 14:6

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Nice attempt at trying to divert the main point of the tread.
I hope you put as much effort into telling people that the Lord Jesus says He is the ONLY way to God.
Thanks. lol Not much effort. I was blind in one eye and half-delirious (kept seeing tiny green men dancing around a pot of applejacks) and needed to be in bed when I wrote this, but at least someone appreciates my “work.”

Where was the diversion, though? :confused: I addressed the question posed and offered logic to back up the Church’s position.

Where was I in err? I’m not “proud” or anything. What is the error in my logic?🤷

Pax, bro
 
So it’s clear that the Lord Jesus’ statement in John 14:6 is 100% true. Therefore it’s also 100% true that anyone who is trying to get to God by any other means/way other than by the Lord Jesus is going to hell.

So should ALL people who believe that the Lord Jesus is the only way to God be seeking to tell ALL other people the truth? ** I mean if a true follower of the Lord Jesus meets people of the Islamic faith** should they be telling them that the Lord Jesus is the ONLY way to God, surely this is speaking the truth in love.
This reminds me of the time i visited one of the few mosques in Akron Ohio and had asked a Muslim his views on this very verse. He had told me that, according to him, Jesus meant his guidance. That is to say, that only through following Christ guidance can one go to heaven. Remember, for followers of the Islamic faith it is incumbent for them to accept the Injeel (Gospel) and the Torah as Truth. Now, there are some major points of disagreement that shouldnt be ignore. Still, i feel as though this interpration of John is worth discussing.
 
Coming from a fundamentalist background, I get where the poster of this thread is coming from to a degree. Still, I remembered hearing my old pastor say that God did not hear–that is, neglected or ignored–the prayers of Jews, as well as other nonbelievers. As I thought about this, I was troubled, because in my heart I knew better. I thought of a Jewish woman praying night and day for her deathly ill son of 9, thought of her tears and her cries. I then realized that if what he was saying was true, I didn’t want a part with that god. I pittied those who made the gracious and all-embracing God that I knew Christ was into this person that he simply wasn’t.

I’ve heard this verse addressed in many ways. Sometimes it’s a more complex response, with serious theological grounding, employing biblical examples and logical scriptural analysis.

Othertimes, it’s simpler than that. My RCIA teacher explained it as Christ saying that it is his teaching that is the way, his instruction and his principles. I like this very much, because if he is truth and love, then it naturally followed to assume that Buddhist monks who were walking in such a way were, unbeknownst to them, walking the way of Christ.

I realized that God, who is Christ, is both truth and love, and that those who walked upon these certainly then make Christ their “way,” their path, even if they don’t know the name of the road they’re walking.
This reminds me of the time i visited one of the few mosques in Akron Ohio and had asked a Muslim his views on this very verse. He had told me that, according to him, Jesus meant his guidance. That is to say, that only through following Christ guidance can one go to heaven. Remember, for followers of the Islamic faith it is incumbent for them to accept the Injeel (Gospel) and the Torah as Truth. Now, there are some major points of disagreement that shouldnt be ignore. Still, i feel as though this interpration of John is worth discussing.
Yes, I’m not far along in the Qur’an at all (what a beautiful text!) but already it has dealt with both the Gospel and the Law. It calls itself a “confirmation” of those. I thought, “How amazing!” Muslims may not believe in Christ (Isa) as God, but they do as Prophet, Messiah, Sinless One, and Son of Mary (by a virgin birth)… and the God they proclaim is one, holy, merciful, gracious, creator and sustainer, judge of all mankind. When I read, I see so many themes in common with us.

It to me is a reminder that God has gifted us all with an innate sense of truth, that it is everywhere, to varying degrees. It is the Christian conviction that the fullness of Truth is wrapped up in the Person of Christ and his Church, but it will always excede the Church’s visible barriers and make itself present in others’ lives. It will penetrate those who let it, and thus so will God. I do not believe Christ will let religious or cultural limitations hinder us from coming to know him, even if our image of him is a hazy one.

These are my thoughts, at least. Far from dogma…but mine nonetheless.
 
You are getting pretty desperate when you start using movie illustrations to support your views re the Sacred Scriptures.

How is using comparisons from films any more desperate than using comparisons from widows, leaven, or harvest-time 🙂 ?​

If Christians can attract people to Christ by using comparisons from baseball, films, or any other modern thing that people are familiar with - surely that is exactly what should be done 🙂 ?

Many people know nothing about farming in Palestine - so comparisons from unknown things like that may not be any help in showing forth Christ. But He is not an irrelevance (He is anything but that); & people need to be met where they are, not where we might like them to be.

Christ must be preached - & what is the use in doing so in a way that the hearers cannot understand ?
 

How is using comparisons from films any more desperate than using comparisons from widows, leaven, or harvest-time 🙂 ?​

If Christians can attract people to Christ by using comparisons from baseball, films, or any other modern thing that people are familiar with - surely that is exactly what should be done 🙂 ?

Many people know nothing about farming in Palestine - so comparisons from unknown things like that may not be any help in showing forth Christ. But He is not an irrelevance (He is anything but that); & people need to be met where they are, not where we might like them to be.

Christ must be preached - & what is the use in doing so in a way that the hearers cannot understand ?
Amen, Amen! We must reach people where they at. Which in fact brings up a merciful view: even though our modern society is apostate, they are not UTTERLY bereft of goodness. There can be powerful metaphors or lessons drawn from films or other entertainment, simply because, even with reason, persons can find good lessons and beauty, even if they have not Divine Revelation.

Thanks for pointing this out, Gottle. I pray God Bless you.

🙂
 
Is the following statement by the Lord Jesus 100% true?

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6
Yes

It means that Jesus is THE JUDGE. He, and He alone, will decide who He chooses to spend the rest of Infinity with.

Sooo … be nice to Him … and also to His Mother.
 
Nice attempt at trying to divert the main point of the tread.

I hope you put as much effort into telling people that the Lord Jesus says He is the ONLY way to God.
Don’t put too much effort without love.
Without love, your effort will be worthless.
Love without patience will lead you to quick temper.
Patience without understanding will lead you to pride.
Pride is the way to Hell.
 
Nice attempt at trying to divert the main point of the tread.

I hope you put as much effort into telling people that the Lord Jesus says He is the ONLY way to God.
Your posts make it appear that you are angry. You came her with an obviously loaded, typical Catholic baiting question. We have seen hundreds of these same questions and have more than adequately answered each and every one. You can only learn here, but your attitude is very similar to those who come only to condemn. Since your eternal salvation depends upon it, why not listen and learn?

Since you are in Christ, all of us wish you a very merry Christmas and a blessed new year.
 
In John 16 Jesus does state clearly he is the “the way, the truth, and the life…” the focus so far seems to be on Jesus being “The Way” but are we not forgetting Christ is also the “Truth”. And at the heart of all religions is the search for the truth essential?

I realize I may be bordering on Rahner’s “Anonymous Christian” but I think there is some truth in what he taught. And doesn’t the Church’s doctrine on Religious Freedom and her teachings based on St Thomas Aquinas’ teachings on the imperitive of following owns well informed conscience also point to the possibility that even non-christians who sincerely seek God as best they can are in truth seeking Christ? I think of Pope Gregory the Great’s instuctions to missionaries, I think they were off to England on how they should treat the temples and symbols of the pagans these missionaries were about to evangelize which was they should use what they encountered but teach the pagans that these symbols pointed to the truth which is Christ. One thing I found interesting about this particular instruction was how it was almost the opposite of a set of instructions he gave earlier - namely they should destroy the pagan symbols and temples his missionaries would encounter - but on deeper reflection Pope Gregory saw that even though these symbols and temples were pagan still he perceived in them man’s search for God.

I think we run the risk of creating our own god if we attemp to limit God’s saving activity to what we think it should be - by doing this all we really do is to deify our own perspective and outlook on life.
We box God into our own construct and isn’t this forbidden by the Fisrt and Second Commandments?

Before anyone here jumps to the conclusion that I don’t think that the fullness of God’s revelation and saving activity does not subsist in the Catholic Church let me state I do. However, what I think should be stressed here is our own personal response to Christ through the quality of our own life. A fundamental principle of Catholic theology (which is truly distinctive with other Christian theologies) is the concept of “Sacramentality”. Christ is present and active in the world but ordinarily (can “ordinarily’” be used as a hyperboly?) Christ works in and through us.

I think of the narrative of Jesus coming to Zacchaeus a sinner - one who didn’t really know God - but still sought to see Jesus. And Jesus came to him and Zacchaeus was saved. If we are the Body of Christ, if Christ lives and works through us (The Church) then shouldn’t the quality of each of our personal lives in communion with each other be such that people will seek us out and for those whom we seek they will recognize Christ’s authority, not a “De Jure” authority so much as a “De Facto” such as Christ’s?
 
(post #69 continued)

Over the past few centuries, especial with the rise of the Reformation, was a growing dichotomy between Christology and Soeteriology. In protestant theology we find the emphasis on soeteriology that is the stress of why Christ died for us what the effects of Christ’s Paschal Sacrifice in regards to personal salvation. We hear often from reformed christians that what is means to be saved to to accept Christ as my savior (this is expressed in a particular way - often very beautifully - in the hymns of the protestant schurchs. However, the seperation of Christology and soeteriology is not in keeping with the traditions of the teaching of the Church especially expressed in the writings of the Church Fathers. Christology and Soeteriology, are so to speak, the opposite sides of the same coin. Soteriology teaches how and why Christ is our savior however Christology shows of if we accept Christ as our Savior - the “Way, the Truth and the Life” then this puts demands on us who profess to be Catholics and Christians.

I always find it interesting when the topic of what it means to have Christ as our savior and judge too often (but not always) I don’t see Christ’s own words on how he will judge us - namely Matthew 25.

In the end the basic point I wish to stress is our response to John 14:6 must be a personal response but one lived in communion and service of one another. Words are important but didn’t Jesus say something about not everyone who says “Lord, Lord” will enter the Kingdom of His Father?
 
A couple of weeks ago i was at bordes and I came across a book i thought is peritinent to the discussion; The Gospel of John in Light of Indian Mysticism. I Looked in the back of the book to find out the author is genius. He has three degrees one of them is physics, i forgot what the others were in. It looked like a good read, even world religions author Huston Smith recommended it.
 
Asa,

There are 2 main fallacies to your argument. You quote one passage from scripture as if that is the beginning and end of the bible and contains its entire meaning. At the risk of offending your sensibilities with another movie analogy, you sound like someone who saw one brief scene from a movie and then talks about that scene as if it is the entire movie.

Secondly, there are more ways to evangelize than orally (or confrontationally). One may live a Christ-like life and let his/her actions speak for them. I give more credit to those who do than those who just speak. Is someone who is mute unable to evangelize? Is someone who is paralyzed and unable to write or communicate unable to evangelize?

Clearly the way you phrased your original post and the responses you have posted in this thread since then show that you did not wish a dialogue. You were not asking a question, you were making a statement and you are determined to convince the rest of us that your view is the only correct one.

I commend your knowledge and search of scriptures. I pray that you will continue in your search and someday come to realize the Bible (and scripture) is but one tool God/Jesus/HolySpirit use to bring folks to know Him and to be with Him eternally.
 
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