John 3:16

[MDK]

I have posted nothing falsley. I believe what I can believe and that is that Systematic Reformed Theology has done the best at explaining the meaning of scripture. You probably don’t agree. However it doesn’t mean that this verse isn’t inspiring to many people.

RSV

[16] For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Unfortunately and sadly, you have indeed posted falsely. We prefer that you don’t, but please recognize and adhere to a higher standard, as is held in the Catholic teaching. You have provided contradictory statements within the thread, but nothing as bad as posting God’s word in the false context.

The verse is inspiring to many. It inspires those truthfully who know the truth of what it means. But, I wouldn’t say that God is likely pleased by what you’re doing in the false context.

 

[DD2007]

Unfortunately and sadly, you have indeed posted falsely. We prefer that you don’t, but please recognize and adhere to a higher standard, as is held in the Catholic teaching. You have provided contradictory statements within the thread, but nothing as bad as posting God’s word in the false context.

The verse is inspiring to many. It inspires those truthfully who know the truth of what it means. But, I wouldn’t say that God is likely pleased by what you’re doing in the false context.

You are the only one trying to define any “context” I simply posted the scripture. I’m sorry if the scripture bothers you. I wish it didn’t. It’s a very good one, really.

 

[MDK]

… I believe what I can believe and that is that Systematic Reformed Theology has done the best at explaining the meaning of scripture…

Is that the standard for which God asks… what about truth, what about the true meaning as God intended? No, they don’t do this. It’s simply men doing what they understand, instead of listening to God.

That is why when you join them in false understanding, when you quote John 3:16 in the context of Calvinism, you twist God’s word. **I make no apology for not accepting false and twisted context of God’s Holy Word. **

 

[PJM]

Perhaps a different approach to your thoughful question may shed additional light on the issue?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. 18 He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

What John 3:16 does NOT mean.

This beautiful verse does not mean that:

1. we are all saved
2. That all we have to do is believe in Him and have a personal relationship with Jesus to be saved
3. It does not SAY, we only have to believe to be saved.

How can we know what I ma sharring is The TRUTH?

John 3:5 " Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

John 3:6 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him.

So here we see that at least two additional conditions exist to be Saved. And this from the same Book, Author and Chapter. There is much more, but this clearly debunks the theory og “belief alone.”

 

[Randy_Carson]

Understood.

Great.

What is your opinion of what Brother Ray had to say?

 

[MDK]

You are the only one trying to define any “context” I simply posted the scripture. I’m sorry if the scripture bothers you. I wish it didn’t. It’s a very good one, really.

I will pray for you. Anyone knows what I have claimed, and has a basic respect for truth knows that I’ve shown love of God’s Word… and sought to preserve it in correct context and meaning… while you’ve promoted the opposite.

You come with context, and you have confirmed it as we’ve gone through the thread. We know that Satan desires that we forget he exists, so he can mislead further while we would not have very important and relevant context of understanding this world. Are you following from this kind of playbook, asking that we forget the context? But, it won’t go away from you… it is part of who you are… your belief system right or wrong (in this case yours is wrong). You’ve confirmed with fidelity what I instinctively have known from your first post in this thread.

My context is Catholicism, the pillar and bulwark of the truth. Your context is Protestantism, protesting the pillar and bulwark of the truth to make your own gospel. We’ve both lived up to our context.

What I didn’t know is that you would be willing to forget God’s eighth Commandment, regarding bearing false witness against another, in addition to putting God’s Holy Word in false context. The Scriptures tells us there is some sin that we should not even pray for… unfortunately you could be bordering that kind of case. If you recognize that those shoes fit, I would recommend a new pair of shoes.

 

[DD2007]

I will pray for a basic decency for you. Anyone knows what I have claimed, and has a basic respect for truth knows that I’ve shown love of God’s Word… and sought to preserve it in correct context and meaning… while you’ve promoted the opposite.

You come with context, and you have confirmed it as we’ve gone through the thread. We know that Satan desires that we forget he exists, so he can mislead further while we would not have the full context of understanding this world. Are you following from this kind of playbook, asking that we forget the context? But, it won’t go away from you… it is part of who you are… your belief system right or wrong (in this case yours is wrong). You’ve confirmed with fidelity what I instinctively have known from your first post in this thread.

My context is Catholicism, the pillar and bulwark of the truth. Your context is Protestantism, protesting the pillar and bulwark of the truth to make your own gospel. We’ve both lived up to our context.

What I didn’t know is that you would be willing to forget God’s eighth Commandment, regarding bearing false witness against another, in addition to putting God’s Holy Word in false context. The Scriptures tells us there is some sin that we should not even pray for… unfortunately you could be bordering that kind of case. If you recognize that those shoes fit, I would recommend a new pair of shoes.

You sure have plenty of accusations for me. All I did was post John 3:16, try to keep the thread on that topic, you knew I was a Presbyterian if you looked at my profile at all anyway. However not once have I told anyone what to think. I simply posted John 3:16. I answered your questions, unless they were so far off topic I had to steer us back to the book of John third chapter sixteenth verse.

[16] For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Can’t we just have a mutual appreciation for this verse in common Christian unity?

 

[DD2007]

Great.

What is your opinion of what Brother Ray had to say?

He’s free to say it.

 

[MDK]

You sure have plenty of accusations for me. All I did was post John 3:16, try to keep the thread on that topic, you knew I was a Presbyterian if you looked at my profile at all anyway. However not once have I told anyone what to think. I simply posted John 3:16. I answered your questions, unless they were so far off topic I had to steer us back to the book of John third chapter sixteenth verse.

[16] For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Can’t we just have a mutual appreciation for this verse in common Christian unity?

So, if we look back at all the your posts, we would see nothing other than John 3:16? Unfortunately, you’ve just added another false statement, which we’ve been asking you to refrain from.

Let’s not pretend that you and I both quoting the same text from Scriptures conveys different intended meanings. I think people are smart enough to know that. Evidence is that’s true, due to asking you to come clean.

Where did anyone claim that you told others how to think? This would be called a straw man, where you make a false argument to knock it down. Poor way to make a statement, as it’s false from the start.

I love unity… Christ gave us a means for that… in His Church… but, you’ve seemed too busy protesting that. How can we really have unity?

So, for unity’s sake as Christ intended, do you agree to John 3:16 in the full context of Catholicism? If you really believe in unity, you will agree to what Christ established for unity. If you continue to protest, then you are presenting yet another false front by pretending.

 

[Randy_Carson]

You are the only one trying to define any “context” I simply posted the scripture. I’m sorry if the scripture bothers you. I wish it didn’t. It’s a very good one, really.

Amen, DD!

Catholics love that verse as we do every single one found in all 73 inspired books of the Bible.

Thanks!

 

[DD2007]

Amen, DD!

Catholics love that verse as we do every single one found in all 73 inspired books of the Bible.

Thanks!

I agree. It’s a wonderful verse. Maybe we should start a thread posting our favorite verses?

The bible is a great gift to us. John 3:16 is my absolute favorite verse though. There are a wealth of others too.

 

[MDK]

I agree. It’s a wonderful verse. Maybe we should start a thread posting our favorite verses?

The bible is a great gift to us. John 3:16 is my absolute favorite verse though. There are a wealth of others too.

Bravo! The Bible is indeed a great gift to us. Have you thanked the Church who brought it to the world with the protection of the Holy Spirit… Will you join me in thanking the Catholic Church, for the sake of Christian unity?

 

[DD2007]

So, for unity’s sake as Christ intended, do you agree to John 3:16 in the full context of Catholicism? If you really believe in unity, you will agree to what Christ established for unity. If you continue to protest, then you are presenting yet another false front by pretending.

Look. I’m not protesting anything. I’m just trying to fellowship with others who are interested in John 3:16 and so far all I have is you trying to question all my beliefs.

Can we just talk what God has done for us as opposed to talking about which Church we should go attend?

 

[DD2007]

Bravo! The Bible is indeed a great gift to us. Have you thanked the Church who brought it to the world with the protection of the Holy Spirit… Will you join me in thanking the Catholic Church, for the sake of Christian unity?

Sure. I’m very pleased with the Church for not losing this one. That would have been very unfortunate.

 

[Randy_Carson]

I agree. It’s a wonderful verse. Maybe we should start a thread posting our favorite verses?

The bible is a great gift to us. John 3:16 is my absolute favorite verse though. There are a wealth of others too.

Here’s one I think of often:

1 Timothy 3:15
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

From this we see that the Bible itself actually points to the Church (and not itself) as the support and defense of truth. Consequently, Catholics are right to look to the Church and not just a book for guidance.

Neat, huh?

 

[MDK]

Look. I’m not protesting anything. I’m just trying to fellowship with others who are interested in John 3:16 and so far all I have is you trying to question all my beliefs.

Can we just talk what God has done for us as opposed to talking about which Church we should go attend?

Let’s just celebrate what God has done in bringing us His word. I appreciate the Catholic Church for bringing it to us. Even Luther said that without the Catholic Church, we would know nothing of Scriptures. So, what do you say! If you love Scriptures, you’ve gotta love the one who brought them to you!

Join me in Christian unity… Thank You Catholic Church for bringing us the Scriptures!

 

[MDK]

Sure. I’m very pleased with the Church for not losing this one. That would have been very unfortunate.

Well, at least you have the minimal grace to provide a backhanded compliment. That’s a start toward hopefully greater grace.

At least many can have knowledge of the words of the Scriptures. I guess this means that God chose to work through the Catholic Church. Join me in Christian unity… Thank you Catholic Church for providing the Scriptures with the protection of the Holy Spirit!

 

[DD2007]

Let’s just celebrate what God has done in bringing us His word. I appreciate the Catholic Church for bringing it to us. Even Luther said that without the Catholic Church, we would know nothing of Scriptures. So, what do you say! If you love Scriptures, you’ve gotta love the one who brought them to you!

Join me in Christian unity… Thank You Catholic Church for bringing us the Scriptures!

You do know that we Presbyterians hold to the Apostles and Nicene Creed as well as our confessions and catechisms right? We’re reformed Catholics. Actually all christians are catholic if you use that word as universal. There is indeed only one church and you and I are both a part of it.

I’m very happy that through God working through christians in the catholic church we have the scriptures in hand today!

But, I’d be a lot happier if we would focus on the greatness of God as revealed to us in John 3:16 though.

 

[DD2007]

Here is John 3:16 from the ESV (My Favorite Translation )

John 3:16

16"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Here is a bonus link: biblegateway.com/ This is a search engine with many different translations so if you ever have a verse you really like, such as John 3:16 , you can look it up in all kinds of different versions.

 

[DD2007]

Here’s one I think of often:

1 Timothy 3:15
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

From this we see that the Bible itself actually points to the Church (and not itself) as the support and defense of truth. Consequently, Catholics are right to look to the Church and not just a book for guidance.

Neat, huh?

This is an interesting passage indeed. The gospel truth which is recorded in scripture from the witness of the apostles is that very truth that the church is upholding! This is the truth that all the various denominations in the one Universal Church have in common. We are apostolic because we follow the teachings of the apostles as recorded in scripture and we are the pillar and buttress upholding the truth which is the gospel of Jesus Christ. This gospel is very well summarized in out topic verse John 3:16.

[16] For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.