John Kasich Thread

[In_Hoc_Signo312]

I don’t like the plan Kasich and Cruz have put together.
Rush Limbaugh commented Kasich has a Walter Mitty fantasy going on. I think it makes both Cruz and Kasich look weak and desperate.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[_Abyssinia]

I don’t like the plan Kasich and Cruz have put together.
Rush Limbaugh commented Kasich has a Walter Mitty fantasy going on. I think it makes both Cruz and Kasich look weak and desperate.

Whether it’s desperate or not, if it’s helps to take it a contested convention…

 

[Crossbones]

I don’t like the plan Kasich and Cruz have put together.
Rush Limbaugh commented Kasich has a Walter Mitty fantasy going on. I think it makes both Cruz and Kasich look weak and desperate.

It does make them look weak and desperate. It also creates the boogey man that Trump is seeking to say that the establishment is against him to excite his voters. Smooth move all around.

 

[_Abyssinia]

I don’t like the plan Kasich and Cruz have put together.
Rush Limbaugh commented Kasich has a Walter Mitty fantasy going on. I think it makes both Cruz and Kasich look weak and desperate.

Trump is losing against Clinton in what should be a safe red state for Republicans in presidential elections, Arizona: thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/277607-arizona-poll-clinton-beats-trump

There was another poll that found Utah in play if Trump were the nominee. Another state which should be safe for Republicans.

It may be a desperate move from Kasich and Cruz, but it’s possible it will stop Trump from getting 1237 delegates!

 

[7_Sorrows]

And, the opposite has happened as well.

Sometimes, when an assault happens, the accused might be a star athlete or similar VIP, and the college looks the other way. There was a whole book about this scandal a while back.

there also is a documentary movie called The Hunting Ground which is worth seeing that gives an idea of how athletes are handled when an accusation is made against them. It was eye opening.

 

[Peter_J]

Trump is losing against Clinton in what should be a safe red state for Republicans in presidential elections, Arizona: thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/277607-arizona-poll-clinton-beats-trump

There was another poll that found Utah in play if Trump were the nominee. Another state which should be safe for Republicans.

It may be a desperate move from Kasich and Cruz, but it’s possible it will stop Trump from getting 1237 delegates!

Let’s hope.

One thing that doesn’t help: about six weeks ago, Rubio (who was still in the race) said something like “I expect that many of my supporters who live in Ohio will end up voting for Kasich” and then Kasich responded in a way that seemed rather ungracious.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Let’s hope.

One thing that doesn’t help: about six weeks ago, Rubio (who was still in the race) said something like “I expect that many of my supporters who live in Ohio will end up voting for Kasich” and then Kasich responded in a way that seemed rather ungracious.

how did he respond?

 

[Joe_5859]

I don’t like the plan Kasich and Cruz have put together.
Rush Limbaugh commented Kasich has a Walter Mitty fantasy going on. I think it makes both Cruz and Kasich look weak and desperate.

It hasn’t really changed my perception of them. Neither of them can obtain a majority of delegates by the convention anymore, so the only option left for either of them is to at least stop Trump from getting the majority, too.

It makes sense to me. With limited campaign funds, they can avoid wasting time and money campaigning against each other when Trump is the only person they have to defeat. And stating such strategies publicly can potentially make a difference. It certainly seemed to do so in Ohio. In Ohio, Trump took pretty much the same percentage of the vote that he had been polling at, whereas Kasich took much more. I think that can be attributed, at least in part, to Rubio’s comments along similar lines at that time. Of course, that didn’t really pan out for Rubio in Florida, so maybe not.

I guess we’ll see what happens.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Yesterday, during an interview with CNN’s Dana Bash, Kasich was confused about why his comments last week were problematic:

There are about two dozen different reasons that Kasich’s “advice” is undiluted garbage, but perhaps the most obvious is this: Telling women how to avoid rape, instead of telling men not to rape, is straight-up rape culture garbage.

Be careful, Kasich says. As if “carelessness” is why women get raped.

Here’s the thing about rapists: They rape people. They rape people who are strong and people who are weak, people who are knowledgeable and people who are ignorant, people who fight back and people who submit just to get it over with, people who are virgins and people who are not, who rich and people who are poor, people who are tall and people who are short, people who are fat and people who are thin, people who are conscious and people who are incapacitated, people of every race and shape and size and ability and circumstance.

The only thing that the victim of every rapist shares in common is the bad luck of being in the presence of a rapist.

Rapists are determined to rape. And if this woman doesn’t go to a party “where there’s a lot of alcohol” and (more importantly) a rapist, another woman would. It doesn’t make that woman any more responsible for being raped. And if no women at all went to that party, that rapist would find another way to obtain his victims.

Victim-blaming is based on the damnably notion that people (and women in particular) allow themselves to be victimized by virtue of carelessness or stupidity, and we need to be warned and educated and lectured and hectored and cajoled and shamed into never being victims.

No.

Our culture creates rapists—and they create victims. No one has ever been a victim of rape, until they had the horrendous luck of being in the presence of a rapist.

Enough victim blaming. Enough.

That Kasich doesn’t agree we’ve had quite enough of this reprehensible rhetoric already is just another one of many reasons that no one should cast another vote for him ever again.

I agree with you. This is blaming the victim, not the victimizer. As someone who teaches at a college, I do have to say that it is prudent for all students to avoid parties where there is a lot of alcohol. Students should just avoid alcohol, period. Bad things happen when people drink. That said, I would never hike up to the rim of a volcano about to erupt. I never skied in an avalanche zone, but some people do. I wouldn’t go to a party where there is a lot of alcohol.

I agree with Kasich in part. But I think he needed to expand on what he said. He should have added that boys need to take responsibility for their actions and be held accountable, but often they don’t and they aren’t, and it’s the girls who suffer. So be proactive. He should have added a message to the boys out there. Don’t rape. Don’t drink to excess. Respect women, and if you can’t respect women, get some professional help.

This is part of the reason I can’t stand Kasich. While he’s nowhere near as outrageous as Trump, he says the first thing that comes into his mind without thinking it through. The person we elect as president has to be capable of thinking things through.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Let’s hope.

One thing that doesn’t help: about six weeks ago, Rubio (who was still in the race) said something like “I expect that many of my supporters who live in Ohio will end up voting for Kasich” and then Kasich responded in a way that seemed rather ungracious.

Kasich is an ungracious person. He’s brusque and uncaring.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

It does make them look weak and desperate. It also creates the boogey man that Trump is seeking to say that the establishment is against him to excite his voters. Smooth move all around.

I think it was rather clever of Cruz and Kasich, and probably the RNC as well. I don’t think it makes them look desperate at all. The person who looked desperate yesterday was Trump, yelling and whining and making such a fuss. It’s politics, Donald! The rules are dirty. Better learn them! I think it may be too late, however. Maybe not, but it’s looking more and more like it is. Indiana will tell the story.

 

[Peter_J]

how did he respond?

There was a video online of Kasich’s interview on MSNBC where he talked about that. The video seems to be gone now, but to me it sounded a ungracious (and a bit mocking).

Though there’s always the question, was it partly an honest misunderstanding? Ie that Kasich thought Rubio had said “If you live in Ohio, don’t vote for me vote for Kasich.”

 

[Peter_J]

Kasich is an ungracious person. He’s brusque and uncaring.

I can’t say that I haven’t wondered about that.

I think it was rather clever of Cruz and Kasich, and probably the RNC as well.

Pottery will get you nowhere.

 

[mary_bobo]

I think it was rather clever of Cruz and Kasich, and probably the RNC as well. I don’t think it makes them look desperate at all. The person who looked desperate yesterday was Trump, yelling and whining and making such a fuss. It’s politics, Donald! The rules are dirty. Better learn them! I think it may be too late, however. Maybe not, but it’s looking more and more like it is. Indiana will tell the story.

Agree. If Trump, or anyone else, wants to change the system, get elected and work on that from the inside. This just makes Trump look bad, IMO.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Kasich could have, instead, told young men not to rape. But how much sense would that have really made? I daresay there isn’t a young man in the country who doesn’t know you can go to prison for decades, even life, for committing rape. Was he supposed to say “Now, you young men out there, don’t rape anybody. Rape is a terrible thing.” he would have sounded like the dumbest person alive, and it would certainly have been pointed out incessantly that he sounded like a fool. More than that, it would have sounded so supercilious that people would be howling that he was treating it lightly.

Instead, he said what every conscientious parent says to their daughter. “Watch out for parties where there’s a lot of alcohol. Protect yourself.”

And that’s interpreted as “blaming the victim” when Kasich said it. If Hillary Clinton had said it, it would have been interpreted as a wise caution to young women about the predation of young males in a male-dominated society in which rape is considered a primeval male right.

 

[ringil]

Kasich is an ungracious person. He’s brusque and uncaring.

I find the guy fairly likable. Much mores than any of the other GOP nominees have been.

Bush seemed like a swell guy as well.

Crus just gives an air of arrogance and even meanness.

Don’t even get started on Trump though. . . .

 

[ringil]

And that’s interpreted as “blaming the victim” when Kasich said it. If Hillary Clinton had said it, it would have been interpreted as a wise caution to young women about the predation of young males in a male-dominated society in which rape is considered a primeval male right.

I don’t believe that is true.

 

[TMC]

Kasich could have, instead, told young men not to rape. But how much sense would that have really made? I daresay there isn’t a young man in the country who doesn’t know you can go to prison for decades, even life, for committing rape. Was he supposed to say “Now, you young men out there, don’t rape anybody. Rape is a terrible thing.” he would have sounded like the dumbest person alive, and it would certainly have been pointed out incessantly that he sounded like a fool. More than that, it would have sounded so supercilious that people would be howling that he was treating it lightly.

Instead, he said what every conscientious parent says to their daughter. “Watch out for parties where there’s a lot of alcohol. Protect yourself.”

And that’s interpreted as “blaming the victim” when Kasich said it. If Hillary Clinton had said it, it would have been interpreted as a wise caution to young women about the predation of young males in a male-dominated society in which rape is considered a primeval male right.

I think you make an excellent point. The problem, I think, is that Kasich is running for President, not Father in Chief. The way he responded made it sound (at least to many people) like he was not concerned about the issue and was simply saying young women should be more careful. The thing is, young women should be more careful. But there is a lot more to the issue than that. If he had given the same advice, and gone on to talk about other aspects of the problem, I think it would have been received differently. But Kasich sometimes seems very tone deaf about that kind of thing. (BTW, I say that as a Kasich fan.)

 

[Peter_J]

Kasich could have, instead, told young men not to rape. But how much sense would that have really made? I daresay there isn’t a young man in the country who doesn’t know you can go to prison for decades, even life, for committing rape. Was he supposed to say “Now, you young men out there, don’t rape anybody. Rape is a terrible thing.” he would have sounded like the dumbest person alive, and it would certainly have been pointed out incessantly that he sounded like a fool. More than that, it would have sounded so supercilious that people would be howling that he was treating it lightly.

Instead, he said what every conscientious parent says to their daughter. “Watch out for parties where there’s a lot of alcohol. Protect yourself.”

And that’s interpreted as “blaming the victim” when Kasich said it. If Hillary Clinton had said it, it would have been interpreted as a wise caution to young women about the predation of young males in a male-dominated society in which rape is considered a primeval male right.

I think if you read the entire transcript, he also spoke about doing a better job of catching and prosecuting rapists.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Agree. If Trump, or anyone else, wants to change the system, get elected and work on that from the inside. This just makes Trump look bad, IMO.

I wish he could learn to take criticism and even defeat with some graciousness. Calling Ted Cruz Lyin’ Cruz all the time offends even me, and I’m not a Cruz fan, but I’ll take him over Trump.