Judge rules Obamacare unconstitutional, endangering coverage for 20 million

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JonNC said:
The latter part concerns me, too. The legacy of the so-called Great Society programs and those that have followed is inter-generational poverty, the destruction of the nuclear family, particularly in the black community, and an explosion of the out of wedlock birth rates.
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But is there anything to this? I am having a hard time seeing the link between healthcare and the destruction of the black nuclear family.
 
Abortion in considered health care by many. Why would one set it aside as a separate topic?
 
Which is true, but can we stop with the “compassion for the poor” talk as well? It isn’t compassion to expect someone else (citizen or government entity) to do the good deeds you believe should be done.

Legally, I agree with you, but the veneer of loving thy neighbor as though people who opposed the ACA somehow loved them less is irksome and arrogant.
 
As well, the way people are spoken of who disagree with you on the ACA is troubling at this time of year. Throwing around words like greed ( as if you had any idea if that was a poster’s motivation) is as rude as you perceive their attitudes to the poor, but that’s just how opposing sides always end up. Merry Christmas indeed…
 
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The latter part concerns me, too. The legacy of the so-called Great Society programs and those that have followed is inter-generational poverty, the destruction of the nuclear family, particularly in the black community, and an explosion of the out of wedlock birth rates.
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But is there anything to this? I am having a hard time seeing the link between healthcare and the destruction of the black nuclear family.
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Sure there is. As soon as an income level determines the cost of care, the incentive will be for the income earner to vacate. It is simple human nature.
It will also discourage charitable giving, the true action of compassion, as opposed to government coercion.
 
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Since we forgot about the common good perhaps?

1908 Second, the common good requires the social well-being and development of the group itself. Development is the epitome of all social duties. Certainly, it is the proper function of authority to arbitrate, in the name of the common good, between various particular interests; but it should make accessible to each what is needed to lead a truly human life: **food, clothing, health, work, education and culture, suitable information, the right to establish a family, and so on**

And it goes on.
Many of us are lucky that health is somehow covered and very very honestly…it is a real relief to know that wherever we are there is that hospital,that big or small health center that will look after us.
It doesn t feel like charity honestly not even compassion,but as the least we can do for each other . And this isn t judging anyone ,just sharing.
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I don’t think anyone here has argued against caring for the needs of those who cannot provide for themselves.
The discussion is about how best to help those in need. My view is that the general government is the least capable entity.
 
Then consider it a straw man. We all agree abortion is bad.

I know many consider abortion as part of healthcare because pregnancy is seen as a disease. But I don’t see that here very often.
 
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Which is true, but can we stop with the “compassion for the poor” talk as well?
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When the Church does, I will.
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As well, the way people are spoken of who disagree with you on the ACA is troubling at this time of year.
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You are welcome to re-read my posts and note I accused no person of greed, nor suggested no person is lacking in compassion. What I said was the opposite of judging:

Because if the issue is just money, then whether greed is greater than one’s compassion is a question between that soul and God.

This is still a Catholic website. I would not think bringing up how both sin and virtue can play a part in the views we develop would be inappropriate. If I have spoken against the Church, then show me where. If not, then why would it be unwelcome?

The USCCB has reiterated the need for healthcare for the poor. I know it is not doctrinal, but it is by no means inappropriate for a Catholic website. Everything I have said is sound and in accord with doctrine.
 
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The USCCB has reiterated the need for healthcare for the poor. I know it is not doctrinal, but it is by no means inappropriate for a Catholic website. Everything I have said is sound and in accord with doctrine.
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I haven’t heard anyone say there shouldn’t be healthcare for the poor.
 
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pnewton:
The USCCB has reiterated the need for healthcare for the poor. I know it is not doctrinal, but it is by no means inappropriate for a Catholic website. Everything I have said is sound and in accord with doctrine.
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I haven’t heard anyone say there shouldn’t be healthcare for the poor.
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The big problem is that we subsidize healthcare for the middle and upper class, there is no reason for that.
 
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pnewton:
The USCCB has reiterated the need for healthcare for the poor. I know it is not doctrinal, but it is by no means inappropriate for a Catholic website. Everything I have said is sound and in accord with doctrine.
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I haven’t heard anyone say there shouldn’t be healthcare for the poor.
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The big problem is that we subsidize healthcare for the middle and upper class, there is no reason for that.
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Why do we subsidize it? I think it provides government power over the individual.
 
I am of the opinion that such care can also be the proper role of government.
The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops urges you to oppose any effort to repeal the Affordable Care Act (ACA) without a concurrent replacement plan that protects poor and vulnerable people, including immigrants, safeguards the unborn, and supports conscience rights.
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http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...-senate-on-affortable-care-act-2017-07-20.cfm
"All people need and should have access to comprehensive, quality health care that they can afford, and it should not depend on their stage of life, where or whether they or their parents work, how much they earn, where they live, or where they were born. The Bishops’ Conference believes health care should be truly universal and it should be genuinely affordable.
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I was referring to the poor ending up bankrupt if they weren’t already.
 
pnewton said:
I am of the opinion that such care can also be the proper role of government.
The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops urges you to oppose any effort to repeal the Affordable Care Act (ACA) without a concurrent replacement plan that protects poor and vulnerable people, including immigrants, safeguards the unborn, and supports conscience rights.
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If it is gone by government, it is then by coercion. As such, it is not compassion. It is not charity. It is solely government power.
As long as we recognize this, then we simply return to the fact that government does not do it well, does not do it economically, will use it Un political ways, will deny coverage when the individual is deemed not worthy for any reason, such as cost, age, severity of condition, health habits, etc.
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