JW's have literature that is only for their baptised

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BibleSteve said:
Yes, starting in 2008, the Watchtower Magazine will be published in 2 different versions.

One will be the standard version, which will explain very basic Bible truths for non-JW’s. This issue will carefully explain basic Bible terms and understandings not normally understood by many people of non-JW understandings.

The other will include more detailed articles directed towards JW’s who already know much about the Bible and don’t need explanations of basic Bible truths and various terms (like the Faithful and Discrete Slave, New Jerusalem, first fruits, 1st resurrection, etc.)
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Give me your P.O. box and I will send a bible with the original wording in it. Wording that was inspired by God and preserved by the early church fathers, who shed their own blood to preserve it. I wonder if the WTBTS shed any blood in the re-write?

BibleSteve, you have been mislead. God sent you here for a reason. LISTEN and learn the truth. Christ Himself founded one church. I’ve looked at your faith. I have listened. I am home here. I look forward to the day when your searching heart finds God’s truth, rather than man’s.

Christ’s peace.
 
BibleSteve said:
I never cease to be amazed at how JW critics can find fault in anything and everything related to Jehovah’s Witnesses.

It’s really amusing and faith strengthening to watch the routinue.

P.S. If you’re really so interested in reading the secondary issue of the Watchtower, stop by any Kingdom Hall for the Sunday Watchtower study. I’m sure they’ll be glad to give you a free copy.
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Have the members been instructed to give these “special” copies if asked for them?

Its not an unfair topic, especially since this is the first time its been done.

Was there any explaination given for this change officially in print?

Any major change in any faith will lead to questions about that change.

I am sure you can find something that will address this.

I cant take your personal word for why the change was made.
 
Is it possible that to avoid criticism from the general outside population, the JW’s have gone to a two tiered system of the Watchtower magazine? Does the dual publication point to secrecy and thus embolden critics complaints against TWBTS as being a cult, or cult like?
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JW critics don’t need any specific reasons to complain… they are simply fanatically driven to find fault with anything related to JW’s… If the WT and Awakes were combined into one magazine, they’d find a reason to be miffed…

When the Awake went from two issues to one each month there were howls from JW critics speculating all sorts of devious reasons.

Now, we simply want to split the Watchtower into two different versions with study articles in one and articles of more general interest in the other… Waaah… Waahh… hear the howls of complaint of secrecy and brain-washing, etc…

A simple explanation is provided and out comes the routinue… all the JW-critics flood the thread with their favorite anti-JW links complaining about anything and everything related to JW’s…(which of course are off topic for the thread)…

Pretty soon, we should expect Jeff to show up and remind people he’s the President of his own special group and post his favorite links JWcritic links.

It’s a funny routinue.

Folks… they’re simply breaking out the study articles… Your overwhelming bias against JW’s is showing on such a simple change of format in another religions magazine… Big deal…
 
BibleSteve said:
JW critics don’t need any specific reasons to complain… they are simply fanatically driven to find fault with anything related to JW’s… If the WT and Awakes were combined into one magazine, they’d find a reason to be miffed…

When the Awake went from two issues to one, there were howls from JW critics speculating all sorts of devious reasons.

Now, we simply want to split the Watchtower into two different versions with study articles in one and articles of more general interest in the other… Waaah… Waahh… hear the howls of complaint of secrecy and brain-washing, etc…

A simple explanation is provided and out comes the routinue… all the JW-critics flood the thread with their favorite anti-JW links complaining about anything and everything related to JW’s…(which of course are off topic for the thread)…

Pretty soon, we should expect Jeff to show up and remind people he’s the President of his own special group and post his favorite links JWcritic links.

It’s a funny routinue.

Folks… they’re simply breaking out the study articles… Your overwhelming bias against JW’s is showing on such a simple change of format in another religions magazine… Big deal…
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The exact same routine can be seen by you whenever you show up to defend the JW’s at all costs. You post your favorite links, or copy and paste from links with no source indicated, that only favors the JW’s position. When people point out that your reference material is in question, then you default to how comical it is that everyone else on the forum is critical of the JW’s. This is standard behavior on your part. You have been given huge amounts of referenced material that contradicts the teachings of the JW’s and you have not moved an inch away from doing anything except defending their position. It is disingenuous on your part to point out this behavior in anyone when you do the exact same behavior.
 
Actually quicker to just re-type it, I have to run after this:
Our Kingdom Ministry
In the announcements:

(second bullet point near the end)

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Please note, the Watchtower Library-2007 Edition is a provision for baptised members of the congregation and is made available only through the congregation.
 
BibleSteve said:
JW critics don’t need any specific reasons to complain… they are simply fanatically driven to find fault with anything related to JW’s… If the WT and Awakes were combined into one magazine, they’d find a reason to be miffed…

When the Awake went from two issues to one each month there were howls from JW critics speculating all sorts of devious reasons.

Now, we simply want to split the Watchtower into two different versions with study articles in one and articles of more general interest in the other… Waaah… Waahh… hear the howls of complaint of secrecy and brain-washing, etc…

A simple explanation is provided and out comes the routinue… all the JW-critics flood the thread with their favorite anti-JW links complaining about anything and everything related to JW’s…(which of course are off topic for the thread)…

Pretty soon, we should expect Jeff to show up and remind people he’s the President of his own special group and post his favorite links JWcritic links.

It’s a funny routinue.

Folks… they’re simply breaking out the study articles… Your overwhelming bias against JW’s is showing on such a simple change of format in another religions magazine… Big deal…
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Absolutely right! 👍 I proclaim the Gospel to the Witnesses no matter how many issues they have.
 
BibleSteve said:
Folks… they’re simply breaking out the study articles… Your overwhelming bias against JW’s is showing on such a simple change of format in another religions magazine… Big deal…
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By doing this, we can no longer research and debate your positions using the bible.

And, did you ever find the printed explaination for the change in your literature? Still looking?
Instructions how to handle requests of this special issue from pagans like me?
 
BibleSteve said:
JW critics don’t need any specific reasons to complain… they are simply fanatically driven to find fault with anything related to JW’s… If the WT and Awakes were combined into one magazine, they’d find a reason to be miffed…

When the Awake went from two issues to one each month there were howls from JW critics speculating all sorts of devious reasons.

Now, we simply want to split the Watchtower into two different versions with study articles in one and articles of more general interest in the other… Waaah… Waahh… hear the howls of complaint of secrecy and brain-washing, etc…

A simple explanation is provided and out comes the routinue… all the JW-critics flood the thread with their favorite anti-JW links complaining about anything and everything related to JW’s…(which of course are off topic for the thread)…

Pretty soon, we should expect Jeff to show up and remind people he’s the President of his own special group and post his favorite links JWcritic links.

It’s a funny routinue.

Folks… they’re simply breaking out the study articles… Your overwhelming bias against JW’s is showing on such a simple change of format in another religions magazine… Big deal…
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Absolutely right! 👍 However, as the Church of Christ (Catholic) has been subject to more attacks than any other orgnization in history, we naturally begin wondering when one of those attackers changes its strategy. What if we started leafleting outside of your “Kingdom Hall”?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…
 
I think Karl Keating has already done that.

The JW’s should likely be thanked, for why this forum ever came about.
po18guy said:
Absolutely right! 👍 However, as the Church of Christ (Catholic) has been subject to more attacks than any other orgnization in history, we naturally begin wondering when one of those attackers changes its strategy. What if we started leafleting outside of your “Kingdom Hall”?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…
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July 2007 Kingdom Ministry

"Exciting Changes for The Watchtower!"

Earlier this year, congregations received a thrilling announcement: Starting in January 2008, The Watchtower will have two different editions, one for the public and the other for our Christian brotherhood! Perhaps you have been wondering: ‘How will the two magazines be different? What are the advantages of having separate editions? Are there any new features to look forward to?’

The Differences: The issue dated the first of the month will be known as the Public Edition. All the articles in this issue will be prepared with the public in mind. The issue dated the 15th of the month will be known as the Study Edition and will not be offered in field service. It will contain all the study articles needed for one month as well as secondary articles that are of particular interest to dedicated Christians. The Public Edition of The Watchtower not only will appeal to Witnesses but will especially appeal to non-Witnesses who may accept the Bible. Awake!, on the other hand, will still be aimed at a broader audience, including skeptics and those who profess a non-Christian religion.

The Advantages: In the Study Edition, it will no longer be necessary to explain terms like “pioneer” in ways that non-Witnesses can grasp. This edition can also contain pointed information prepared especially for Jehovah’s Witnesses and Bible students who are making spiritual progress. What about the Public Edition? Since the subjects and the style of writing will be directed toward the public, a non-Witness should enjoy reading the magazine from cover to cover. Of course, every Witness of Jehovah will benefit from reading each issue. Because we will be offering just one Watchtower with one Awake! in the field ministry each month, we will have an entire month to develop effective presentations.

New Features: Some exciting new features are planned for the Public Edition of The Watchtower. One feature will discuss basic Scriptural teachings in a very simple format. Another will show how the Bible can help families. Bible study projects will be outlined for young people. Each issue will have an article highlighting specific Bible passages that teach us about Jehovah as a person.

We pray that Jehovah will bless this new arrangement for The Watchtower. May that journal, along with Awake!, reach many more deserving ones with the good news.–Matt. 10:11.
 
Thanks for that Steve. I dont have that issue. This is why I asked what I thought was a fair question.

Jehovah as a person? Can you explain what is meant by that specifically?
What does this mean to a JW the word “person” in reference to Jehovah?

Also, this article seems to lead me to believe not just anyone can get it even if they ask.

The Advantages: In the Study Edition, it will no longer be necessary to explain terms like “pioneer” in ways that non-Witnesses can grasp. This edition can also contain pointed information prepared especially for Jehovah’s Witnesses and Bible students who are making spiritual progress. What about the Public Edition? Since the subjects and the style of writing will be directed toward the public, a non-Witness should enjoy reading the magazine from cover to cover. Of course, every Witness of Jehovah will benefit from reading each issue. Because we will be offering just one Watchtower with one Awake! in the field ministry each month, we will have an entire month to develop effective presentations.

Question one:

How can I as someone who will never go to a study be gauged as making spiritual progress? So, it sounds like if you are in a study with a JW and they think you are getting it, then you may qualify for this special copy.

I think its a stretch to say I can just go get one if I want one.

Question two:

You will have an entire month to develop presentations, and less distractions having to defend your interpretations with the person at the door or here.
We, of course will have no ability to develop a counter to it in time.

Is this why on the official site, one could never get the current issue of the watchtower to view online?
 
as well as secondary articles that are of particular interest to dedicated Christians
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This is where the darkness begins. First there is a re-write of Sacred Scripture, then a re-definition of Christianity.
We pray that Jehovah will bless this new arrangement for The Watchtower. May that journal, along with Awake!, reach many more deserving ones with the good news.–Matt. 10:11.
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Hmmmmm, now just where does scripture stop and the corporate line begin in these two sentences?

Under the law, truth is an affirmative defense to slander.
 
Hellisreal said:
Jehovah as a person? Can you explain what is meant by that specifically?
What does this mean to a JW the word “person” in reference to Jehovah?
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The reference to knowing Jehovah as a person means one knows he is real and has a close personal relationship with him. He is not some abstract force, unknown, or unpersonal. He is your closest friend.
Also, this article seems to lead me to believe not just anyone can get it even if they ask.
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Typically, at the beginning of each Sunday’s Watchtower Study, the conductor asks if anyone needs a copy. If you are in attendance, you will receive one.

Yes, I would suspect that if you have no interest in attending the Watchtower Study meeting, you would not receive a copy of the Study edition of the Watchtower.
How can I as someone who will never go to a study be gauged as making spiritual progress? So, it sounds like if you are in a study with a JW and they think you are getting it, then you may qualify for this special copy. I think its a stretch to say I can just go get one if I want one.
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Just attend the Sunday meeting. You can receive one there for free.
You will have an entire month to develop presentations, and less distractions having to defend your interpretations with the person at the door or here. We, of course will have no ability to develop a counter to it in time.
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You really don’t have to worry about developing a “counter” to our monthly presentation. Your mouth will elegantly express what is in your heart.
Is this why on the official site, one could never get the current issue of the watchtower to view online?
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JW’s believe in personal service… 6.5 Million of us are in the field each month talking to people about the Bible and offering the WT magazine. Believe me, if you want the latest issue, we’d be glad to hand deliver it.

If you want the study issue, just come to the Sunday study.
 
BibleSteve said:
Typically, at the beginning of each Sunday’s Watchtower Study, the conductor asks if anyone needs a copy. If you are in attendance, you will receive one.

Yes, I would suspect that if you have no interest in attending the Watchtower Study meeting, you would not receive a copy of the Study edition of the Watchtower.

I cant go. If I were handicapped would someone send it to me?
Just attend the Sunday meeting. You can receive one there for free.
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How hard is it to post the most current issue online?

Another way of avoiding non JW’s to prepare for the JW at their door.
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i didnt want to start a new thread for this but what is the deal with water and bread unstead of wine and bread for their communiton and who can acutally receive?
 
theweeper said:
i didnt want to start a new thread for this but what is the deal with water and bread unstead of wine and bread for their communiton and who can acutally receive?
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Only the annointed can partake of that “memorial” and its only offered once a year.

Its okay you mention it since Bible Steve is likely an elder and can help you find the truth about that one.
 
I cant go. If I were handicapped would someone send it to me?
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If you were really interested, we’d have someone pick you up and drive you to the Kingdom Hall. If you were unable to move, we’d provide you with a telephone hook-up, so you could listen into the meeting. If you were interested in participating in the meeting, we have the technology to allow you to make a comment over the phone lines for the benefit of all others in attendance. We have all the means to help those who are truly interesting…

On the other hand, if a person has no interest in attending meetings or listening in or talking with Jehovah’s Witnesses in a spirit of mildness and interest in learning, you will likely not have access to the Study issue of the WT. If you want the Public version, a simple call to the Kingdom Hall will likely allow you to have it hand-delivered to your home.
I like the not so subtle personal attack on me here. I have not been rude. You may not like what I ask you, but, I have not been rude to you. And, you make it clearer to me that this whole concept is indeed to ward off any honest biblical anyalisis of the interpretations in the watchtower.
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There’s no attack here. Jesus said “Out of the hearts abundance, the mouth speaks”. I’m simply saying that whomever you are, will be expressed out of your mouth when you talk to JW’s at your door. There’s no need to prepare because we simply ask personal viewpoint questions about what concerns you and what solutions you see to solve the world’s problems.
How hard is it to post the most current issue online?
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I doubt it’s hard at all. Translating the magazine simultaneously into 161 languages, printing and distributing it around the world and hand delivering it to every home on the earth is a far greater task that is being done systematically each month.

The WTS simply choose to do the hand delivery method as opposed to the mass-blast method. I believe they are following the example set by Jesus and his apostles.
 
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