Kasich Thread

[Peter_J]

I don’t call it bragging, I call it stating his record.

Agreed. Indeed, he clearly took the high road, not only in comparison with Trump, but also in comparison with Rubio who got down in the mud too.

But I do have a concern about Kasich nevertheless: whether he is too much about himself?

Anyhow, the candidate at least agree that one of them should drop out.

 

[Cathoholic]

The Washington Examiner reports (here) . . .

Kasich said that he is still focused on spreading his message everywhere because he believes it resonates with people.

This from a guy who just dropped out of a nationally televised debate.

 

[Peter_J]

The Washington Examiner reports (here) . . .

This from a guy who just dropped out of a nationally televised debate.

Exactly. Debating Cruz would be a great way to let voters decide which of them should go head to head with DJT. So it sounds a little bit like Kasich didn’t want to give voters a possible opportunity to decide against him.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Untrustworthy? He’s pro-life - he already de-funded PP in Ohio, something _____ only says he’ll do. Untrustworthy how? I’m flabbergasted at the attacks on a consistent pro-life candidate for whom we should all be grateful:

“Since becoming governor, Kasich has signed 16 Ohio Right to Life initiatives to protect women and their unborn babies, LifeNews reported. Ohio House Bill 294, which strips Planned Parenthood of more than $1 million in yearly federal grants, is the next pro-life bill on its way to Kasich’s desk.”
lifenews.com/2016/02/11/planned-parenthood-calls-john-kasich-an-extreme-anti-abortion-governor-his-response-is-priceless/

that I like!

 

[randomuser]

I disagree with your conclusion. Kasich isn’t even wholly Pro-Life.

Well, according to National Right To Life, he is:
nrlc.org/uploads/2016POTUScomparison.pdf

And unlike other candidates who shall remain nameless, he has never praised the “wonderful” work of Planned Parenthood – except for abortion – and never will. He is absolutely wholly pro-life, and then some.

 

[Peter_J]

Well, according to National Right To Life, he is:
nrlc.org/uploads/2016POTUScomparison.pdf

And unlike other candidates who shall remain nameless, he has never praised the “wonderful” work of Planned Parenthood – except for abortion – and never will. He is absolutely wholly pro-life, and then some.

Well, not that I would know who those “other candidates” would be whistle but I’m guessing that Cathoholic meant relative to e.g. Ted Cruz.

 

[Cathoholic]

It’s always sad to see someone blame the victim.

In pregnancy cases due to rape and incest there are several victims including the mother and the pre-born human baby.

Some people think it is OK to “terminate” these babies.

They are in essence, “blaming the victim” here.

But getting rid of the pre-born human does not “terminate” the memory.

Destroying a living human being, does not dismember the truth that there was a real living human life.

Getting rid of the “products of conception”, does not pull apart the facts. Facts that a growing human with its own personal genetic compliment, giving off heat, consuming energy, and undergoing cellular metabolism "is now no more” in this same earthly capacity.

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Randomuser.

You said John Kasich is . . . .

He is absolutely wholly pro-life, and then some.

I already showed you the John Kasich

(“http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=13757069&postcount=81”) directly from him.

Talking about abortion Kasich says . . .

I actually believe in the exception of rape, incest . . .

(With trying to save the baby AND the “life of the mother” there is NO WILLED intention to kill an innocent life. There MAY eventually arise a “double-effect” situation so I only included the “rape and incest” portions of John Kasich’s abortion quote. Not the “life of the mother” portion).

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So Randomuser.

Do you think it is AOK to kill off innocent pre-born human beings as long as they are (through no fault of their own) conceived in rape or conceived in incest?

Is THAT OK?

Is it OK to “blame the victim” here (the innocent pre-born child)?

Is THAT “100% Pro-Life” in your world view?

Is there any OTHER segment of society where it is OK to “terminate” them innocently too (through no fault of THEIR own)?

John Kasich has done some good things.

But John Kasich is NOT “100% Pro-Life”.

John Kasich is NOT "absolutely wholly pro-life, and then some."

 

[Path_Finder]

It’s always sad to see someone blame the victim.

In pregnancy cases due to rape and incest there are several victims including the mother and the pre-born human baby.

Some people think it is OK to “terminate” these babies.

They are in essence, “blaming the victim” here.

But getting rid of the pre-born human does not “terminate” the memory.

Destroying a living human being, does not dismember the truth that there was a real living human life.

Getting rid of the “products of conception”, does not pull apart the facts. Facts that a growing human with its own personal genetic compliment, giving off heat, consuming energy, and undergoing cellular metabolism "is now no more” in this same earthly capacity.

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Randomuser.

You said John Kasich is . . . .

I already showed you the John Kasich

(“http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=13757069&postcount=81”) directly from him.

Talking about abortion Kasich says . . .

(With trying to save the baby AND the “life of the mother” there is NO WILLED intention to kill an innocent life. There MAY eventually arise a “double-effect” situation so I only included the “rape and incest” portions of John Kasich’s abortion quote. Not the “life of the mother” portion).

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So Randomuser.

Do you think it is AOK to kill off innocent pre-born human beings as long as they are (through no fault of their own) conceived in rape or conceived in incest?

Is THAT OK?

Is it OK to “blame the victim” here (the innocent pre-born child)?

Is THAT “100% Pro-Life” in your world view?

Is there any OTHER segment of society where it is OK to “terminate” them innocently too (through no fault of THEIR own)?

John Kasich has done some good things.

But John Kasich is NOT “100% Pro-Life”.

John Kasich is NOT "absolutely wholly pro-life, and then some."

Sometimes a politician can accomplish more pro-life objectives with compromise rather than being perfectly pro-life within our belief system but with little to show for it as far as concrete accomplishments. So, then, who is more pro-life?

 

[7_Sorrows]

I’d still say Kasich would lose the fewest voters overall, though.

It’s been shown by numerous head-to-head polls; Kasich has the biggest winning margin against Clinton.

In a poll out today, Kasich would beat Clinton; Cruz is within the margin of error. (Trump would lose):

inquisitr.com/2905900/polls-hillary-clinton-loses-to-every-gop-candidate-except-one/

if that is true, why did Kasich only win the state of Ohio?

 

[Cathoholic]

Path_Finder. You mentioned:

Sometimes a politician can accomplish more pro-life objectives with compromise rather than being perfectly pro-life within our belief system but with little to show for it as far as concrete accomplishments. So, then, who is more pro-life?

You are going to imply the problem is with people who don’t compromise on certain core issues?

We have had 40+ years of “compromise” since Roe v Wade. How has THAT worked out?

Approximately 60 million deaths due to abortion (see it here) and you are going to suggest what we need is MORE compromise?

What other segments of society do you think deserve “compromise” concerning THEIR protection? Blacks? Jewish people? Latinos? Whites?

Why not uncompromisingly affirm ALL PEOPLE?

Why not assert just what this country was founded upon. That the what the whole reason Government even exists (according to our founders) is for protection of LIFE, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,

(See it here in the Declaration of Independence)

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Kasich talks in circumlocution a lot. But it is clear to me that a Pro-Life Supreme Court nominee is NOT a priority for John Kasich.

It is clear to me, that Kasich is taking money from George Soros and other Pro-abort activists in a substantial sum.

It is clear to me that Kasich asserts, “exceptions” for abortion. Just what Jeb Bush called “the sweet spot”.

(Do YOU think OKing killing off “only” these kids represents “the sweet spot” too?).

It is also clear to me Kasich is not willing to protect religious liberty, saying the court “ruled on it” so we’ve got to accept it without push back (there ARE reasonable legal ways to “push back” the culture of death).

The America I see is a lot better than the America John Kasich sees. I see an America where we can admit that there ARE difficult issues and choices, but we can ALSO come up with NON-violent solutions. We can do away with “solutions” like killing off our fellow living innocent humans.

I see an America that at least in part, sees these issues as PRINCIPLED and “non-negotiable”.

I see an America that wants real leadership.

I see an America that is ready for a candidate that does what he says he will do.

40+ years of your way.
40+ years of broken promises from unprincipled Country Club Republicans and Democrats.
40+ years of “compromise”.
40+ years and 60 million innocent babies dead.

Just as you rhetorically asked. . . .

So, then, who is more pro-life?

 

[Little_Sheep]

if that is true, why did Kasich only win the state of Ohio?

Yes, this. Kasich is hoping to seize power via a brokered convention, not via real live people in our country who support him. Sad, really.

 

[Path_Finder]

Path_Finder. You mentioned:

You are going to imply the problem is with people who don’t compromise on certain core issues?

We have had 40+ years of “compromise” since Roe v Wade. How has THAT worked out?

Approximately 60 million deaths due to abortion (see it here) and you are going to suggest what we need is MORE compromise?

What other segments of society do you think deserve “compromise” concerning THEIR protection? Blacks? Jewish people? Latinos? Whites?

Why not uncompromisingly affirm ALL PEOPLE?

Why not assert just what this country was founded upon. That the what the whole reason Government even exists (according to our founders) is for protection of LIFE, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

(See it here in the Declaration of Independence)

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Kasich talks in circumlocution a lot. But it is clear to me that a Pro-Life Supreme Court nominee is NOT a priority for John Kasich.

It is clear to me, that Kasich is taking money from George Soros and other Pro-abort activists in a substantial sum.

It is clear to me that Kasich asserts, “exceptions” for abortion. Just what Jeb Bush called “the sweet spot”.

(Do YOU think OKing killing off “only” these kids represents “the sweet spot” too?).

It is also clear to me Kasich is not willing to protect religious liberty, saying the court “ruled on it” so we’ve got to accept it without push back (there ARE reasonable legal ways to “push back” the culture of death).

The America I see is a lot better than the America John Kasich sees. I see an America where we can admit that there ARE difficult issues and choices, but we can ALSO come up with NON-violent solutions. We can do away with “solutions” like killing off our fellow living innocent humans.

I see an America that at least in part, sees these issues as PRINCIPLED and “non-negotiable”.

I see an America that wants real leadership.

I see an America that is ready for a candidate that does what he says he will do.

40+ years of your way.
40+ years of broken promises from unprincipled Country Club Republicans and Democrats.
40+ years of “compromise”.
40+ years and 60 million innocent babies dead.

Just as you rhetorically asked. . . .

I respect that; but that is being a ‘purist’; what have purists accomplished?

What President ever has done more for the pro-life cause than,

Governor Kasich
Governor Walker
Governor Perry

even Governor Christie?

What politicians can one mention who have done more?

Better to get things done.

If one holds out for being a purist and one may well get nothing at all.

By the way, a lot has been accomplished at the State level.

The Constitution as it should work, leaves the laws up to the State.

Personhood could be pushed through Congress giving 14th amendment rights to the unborn.

 

[Path_Finder]

Path_Finder. You mentioned:

You are going to imply the problem is with people who don’t compromise on certain core issues?

We have had 40+ years of “compromise” since Roe v Wade. How has THAT worked out?

Approximately 60 million deaths due to abortion (see it here) and you are going to suggest what we need is MORE compromise?

What other segments of society do you think deserve “compromise” concerning THEIR protection? Blacks? Jewish people? Latinos? Whites?

Why not uncompromisingly affirm ALL PEOPLE?

Why not assert just what this country was founded upon. That the what the whole reason Government even exists (according to our founders) is for protection of LIFE, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

(See it here in the Declaration of Independence)

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Kasich talks in circumlocution a lot. But it is clear to me that a Pro-Life Supreme Court nominee is NOT a priority for John Kasich.

It is clear to me, that Kasich is taking money from George Soros and other Pro-abort activists in a substantial sum.

It is clear to me that Kasich asserts, “exceptions” for abortion. Just what Jeb Bush called “the sweet spot”.

(Do YOU think OKing killing off “only” these kids represents “the sweet spot” too?).

It is also clear to me Kasich is not willing to protect religious liberty, saying the court “ruled on it” so we’ve got to accept it without push back (there ARE reasonable legal ways to “push back” the culture of death).

The America I see is a lot better than the America John Kasich sees. I see an America where we can admit that there ARE difficult issues and choices, but we can ALSO come up with NON-violent solutions. We can do away with “solutions” like killing off our fellow living innocent humans.

I see an America that at least in part, sees these issues as PRINCIPLED and “non-negotiable”.

I see an America that wants real leadership.

I see an America that is ready for a candidate that does what he says he will do.

40+ years of your way.
40+ years of broken promises from unprincipled Country Club Republicans and Democrats.
40+ years of “compromise”.
40+ years and 60 million innocent babies dead.

Just as you rhetorically asked. . . .

9,000 babies saved not good enough?

lifenews.com/2016/03/17/9000-babies-saved-from-abortions-in-texas-after-pro-life-law-closed-half-the-abortion-clinics/

(stats may not be foolproof but are, all the same, indicators of the truth)

 

[Cathoholic]

To paraphrase G.K. Chesterton:

Constitutional conservativism has not been tried and found wanting. It just hasn’t been tried.

John Kasich is not a Pro-Life leader in my opinion. I’ve offered many reasons why.

“Compromise” has been a societal “Faustian Pact” that has not worked.

“Winning” by us as voters putting “compromisers” into office has been a Pyrrhic Victory for this country.

“Exceptions” and Re-DEFINING humans as LESS than humans are not appropriate.

I have no problem “compromising” on certain issues. But on foundational issues, we need real PRINCIPLED leadership.

In my opinion, great leaders are people of great ideas that conform to Truth, who stand by those ideas.

America needs a great leader . . . not another “compromiser”.

 

[I_trust]

Yes, this. Kasich is hoping to seize power via a brokered convention, not via real live people in our country who support him. Sad, really.

You fundamentally misunderstand the political process or are just afraid of someone beating Hillary. A contested convention is a political reality that is not uncommon. If a majority of delegates is not won outright, the majority of the people have not chosen a candidate. It is not some kind of power seize to have the delegates, who were after all elected to do so, select a candidate by a 2nd, 3rd or 15th ballot.

 

[Tomdstone]

America needs a great leader …

Where is he or she?

 

[Path_Finder]

If by compromise, one means, one can not compromise to save some babies but that it must be all; then that is not really reasonable. As of now, it is unfortunately the law of the land.

 

[Sophia60]

Kasich is owned and purchased and a puppet for George Soros.
If you don’t know who George Soros is then maybe you need to look in YouTube for the heading Glenn Beck “Puppetmaster” referring to George Soros is the Puppetmaster.

If you go to my facebook account Lisa Anastasia, Pittsburgh, PA
you will find information on candidates.

I am not for anyone but Ben Carson, and now that he put his endorsement for Trump, I will assume in April I will vote for Trump.

If you haven’t studied up on Seven Mountain Dominionism “Dominionism” you had better. Because Ted Cruz is a member along with Glenn Beck currently there are protestants and Catholics that belong to this.

Trump has had George Soros invest in the Chicago Trump Towers a few years back but Soros doesn’t like Trump or he could be acting but thus far the interviews with Soros shows that Soros gets who he wants. He originally was for Hillary and Rubio, yes Rubio is for the New World Order just as Kasich is. If you don’t know much about the New World Order then also go to Youtube and type in “How Evil is the New World Order” or type in Brother Nathanael and watch all his videos. He is far the best on the subject of politics. There is no good candidate, as the NWO is to be put into place this year.

 

[Sophia60]

Remember this that Ted Cruz is a Freemason. His hand tucked under his suitcoat showed that he was and is a 33rd-degree freemason. So is Glenn Beck, in fact, all politicians that want to become a President have to adhere to Freemasonry.
Sad to let you know but if you add me or view my profile in facebook as Lisa Anastasia then you will know more. I have the face of Jesus and my cover photos shows Real Hope Real Change (with Jesus). I hope you view my facebook profile.

 

[Peter_J]

You fundamentally misunderstand the political process or are just afraid of someone beating Hillary. A contested convention is a political reality that is not uncommon. If a majority of delegates is not won outright, the majority of the people have not chosen a candidate. It is not some kind of power seize to have the delegates, who were after all elected to do so, select a candidate by a 2nd, 3rd or 15th ballot.

I agree with you to a point: the delegates do vote for the nominee, following the rules. But there’s also the question of how strong a position the resulting nominee will then be in. If (and I’m not necessarily saying that it will happen) the eventual nominee is someone who wasn’t in first place going in to the convention, he (or she) will face a lot of ill-will – even more so if he/she wasn’t even in second place.

It’s like in Nov 2000: Bush really did win, according to the rules; but he faced a lot of ill will because of how close FL was and because he didn’t also win the popular vote.