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It is also clear to me Kasich is not willing to protect religious liberty, saying the court “ruled on it” so we’ve got to accept it without push back (there ARE reasonable legal ways to “push back” the culture of death).
Kasich is not the one praising Planned Parenthood - except for abortion - and praising the “wonderful” work PP does for women. That’s not Kasich. Is praising Planned Parenthood a reasonable way to push back the culture of death? Kasich is the one who ALREADY defunded Planned Parenthood, and Kasich is the one who wants Mother Teresa on the $10 bill:
time.com/4037828/republican-debate-ten-dollar-bill/
 
“Compromise” has been a societal “Faustian Pact” that has not worked.

“Winning” by us as voters putting “compromisers” into office has been a Pyrrhic Victory for this country.

“Exceptions” and Re-DEFINING humans as LESS than humans are not appropriate.

I have no problem “compromising” on certain issues. But on foundational issues, we need real PRINCIPLED leadership.

In my opinion, great leaders are people of great ideas that conform to Truth, who stand by those ideas.

America needs a great leader . . . not another “compromiser”.
You may want to ask the _____ fans – on the ____ thread – why they’re rallying around a guy who thinks Planned Parenthood is wonderful (except for when it comes to abortion.) If that’s not the compromise and exception you’re talking about, I don’t know what is. 🤷
 
I disagree with your conclusion. Kasich isn’t even wholly Pro-Life.

See this and draw your own conclusions if you think Kasich is Pro-Life.

People who WILL the death of other innocent living humans or like Kasich, tacitly APPROVE of such, cannot be classified as “Pro-Life” to me.
When someone says Kasich isn’t pro-life or isn’t 100% pro-life, I have to point out that he is far closer to the pro-life position on the issue than either of the two opponents in the other party.

One of the two was endorsed by Planned Parenthood.

The other boasts of a 100% voting record with Planned Parenthood and supports not only funding it but expanding it.
 
if that is true, why did Kasich only win the state of Ohio?
I don’t think he expected to win the early primaries, especially in Southern states and/or with “evangelicals.”

And anyway, the situation in a general election is way different.
 
I wonder how much those who have the purist perspective have even been around the Pro-Life movement.

Hardly any if any, ‘purist’ pro-life laws have been passed; it almost sounds like some folks think with the wave of a magic wand, abortion can be made illegal.
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These are all struggles, battles in a larger war. **

Compromise is really, only that the law itself at the state level can be compromised, yet, somehow we insultingly heard, this was a Faustian pact.

I’d like to see how much truly, for the pro-life movement, such critics have done.
 
You may want to ask the _____ fans – on the ____ thread – why they’re rallying around a guy who thinks Planned Parenthood is wonderful (except for when it comes to abortion.) If that’s not the compromise and exception you’re talking about, I don’t know what is. 🤷
I’ve only read a small fraction of what Cathoholic posted on this thread. But in any case, I think it’s important to keep in mind the big picture: the race (I mean the GOP race, leaving Hillary-Bernie aside) isn’t just between Trump and Kasich; Cruz is in there too. In particular, the real question is who, of Kasich and Cruz, should go head to head with Trump?
 
When someone says Kasich isn’t pro-life or isn’t 100% pro-life, I have to point out that he is far closer to the pro-life position on the issue than either of the two opponents in the other party.

One of the two was endorsed by Planned Parenthood.

The other boasts of a 100% voting record with Planned Parenthood and supports not only funding it but expanding it.
Please see my previous post.
 
I think the republican base is making a huge mistake not standing behind Kasich. I usually vote democrat, but Kasich is the one republican I feel could work across the aisle and isn’t bogged down by being an extreme conservative or extreme liberal. I think he would be a real threat to Clinton in a general election. I would consider voting for him over Clinton.
Not saying those things are unimportant, but I think that what-Republicans-want should play an even larger role in who the – Republican – nominee should be. 🙂
 
Wish I’d seen his speech at AIPAC but there is news coverage:
Kasich slams ‘Palestinian culture of death’ at AIPAC
Ohio governor vows to defend Israel from Iran nuclear threat, says he won’t need ‘on-the-job training’ if elected president
WASHINGTON — Republican presidential hopeful John Kasich opened AIPAC’s Monday night plenary session by trying to make the case that he is the best candidate equipped to conduct foreign policy and ensure Israel’s security, vowing to thwart Iran and slamming what he called a “Palestinian culture of death.”
“I won’t need any on-the-job training,” the Ohio governor told a crowd of some 18,000 who filled the Verizon Center in downtown Washington, calling himself the “candidate with the deepest, most far reaching foreign policy experience.”
But after framing his speech with that in mind, he warmed the crowd up by calling himself “unwavering in my support for the Jewish state.”
Speaking first on a night that has garnered much publicity over the anticipation for rival Donald Trump’s remarks, Kasich tried to assert his strength among the pro-Israel crowd, vowing to defend Israel from Iran and saying Palestinians needs to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
timesofisrael.com/kasich-slams-palestinian-culture-of-death-at-aipac/
 
Path_Finder

You rhetorically asked:

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I wonder how much those who have the purist perspective have even been around the Pro-Life movement. . . .
. . . . I’d like to see how much truly, for the pro-life movement, such critics have done.

I assume you were alluding to me since you disagreed with my saying . . .

QUOTE:
“Compromise” has been a societal “Faustian Pact” that has not worked. . . .
. . . . I have no problem “compromising” on certain issues. But on foundational issues, we need real PRINCIPLED leadership.

The problem with both these points is it attempts to deflect the issues I brought up with John Kasich and tries to put the focus on “me”.

I’m not going to abide by that.

Recall the 1st Republican Primary debate. Just compare Kasich talking about attending a same-sex “wedding”, berating other people who think the Federal Government has no place RE-DEFINING marriage.

Think for a minute about Kasich equivocating about how “we need to love our sons and daughters” (which is true) and implying traditional marriage proponents don’t assert this (which was phony).

You and I both know we can oppose the Federal Government RE-DEFINING marriage and STILL LOVE our children!

Recall Kasich going off on a tangent about how the champagne was so good at the “gay marriage” he attended (when he was later talking in Michigan) obfuscating the subject to re-assure people on both sides of the issue being discussed.

Deliberate on the fact that Kasich flippantly implied people who oppose the Federal Government RE-DEFINING marriage are guilty of committing “discrimination”!!

Remember how Kasich said WE ARE NOT GOING BACK. Kasich was talking in the context not of social ethos. Kasich was talking about Government and LAW.

QUOTE:
John Kasich, who opposes gay marriage, thinks a Kentucky clerk should issue same-sex marriage licenses despite her religious beliefs. (From Cincinnati.com emphasis mine)

Kasich would be the guy who was supposed to PROTECT YOU!
  • What if you are a nurse in a small hospital and “the law” is euthanasia?
    If you are the only RN on duty MUST you KILL your patient? Why not? It’s “the law”!
  • What if your Priest is told he must report his penitents confessions to the Government for certain crimes? After all. It’s “the LAW!”
  • What if you get told your child MUST go in for “Government Marriage Diversity Training” if your kid is going to attend a Catholic school where they do not implement “Government Marriage Diversity Training”?
    (Or if you home school your kid, you MUST send him/her to the new Government Training Center for 3 hours a week for the “Government Marriage Diversity Training” program).
    Now what? It’s “the LAW!”
How about your hypothetical older son who is now in the military? What about HIM?
. . .all members of the armed forces to adhere to the new policy, regardless of their personal beliefs.”1 Coercive implementation would require what the Palm Center described as “surveillance and monitoring of compliance” combined with mandatory training programs to change attitudes and make the new gay-friendly . . . (link here)
MUST he now subject himself to what some people object to as a form of brainwashing? Or can we just say those people are extreme (but your son MUST still subject himself to this)?

If your son refuses such “training”, should he mandate a “Dishonorable Discharge”? Or is it OK for him just to have an “Other Than Honorable Conditions Discharge” or a “Bad Conduct Discharge” (BCD)?

Is it appropriate to divert his military training to time spent on social engineering?

Should we just “compromise”?

Do you REALLY want a guy like Kasich in charge of this stuff?

Do you think Kasich has the fortitude and has a well-built Constitutional foundation and framework to deal with these issues?

Kasich has done the same end-around with pre-born babies.

If you read my prior posts from this thread you KNOW that.

Just about ALL politicians CALL themselves “Pro-Life”.

Kasich’s FOUNDATION is flawed to the point where I do no trust him to protect society and our religious freedom in a Constitutionally Principled Manner.

You (or others) can rationalize that “the Supreme Court has ruled” so this MUST be “Constitutional”.

But EVERYONE honestly reading the Constitution, including dissenting Supreme Court Justices KNOW this type of game is NOT “Constitutional”.

Read the 10th Amendment which states the Federal Government has no power over states . . . . unless something is delegated in the Constitution.

We both know abortion, or gay marriage, etc. is NOT “delegated” there. That’s WHY in Roe they needed to throw shadows of shadows (“penumbra”) into their “ruling”.

We know religious liberty IS explicitly in the Constitution.

I want to challenge you to go back and re-read the posts I did on John Kasich.

Then listen to Robert George talking with Senator Cruz (here).

EWTN’s interview link with Robert George:
youtube.com/watch?v=dr_yshI9D7A


Ask yourself if there is a FOUNDATIONAL difference between Kasich and Cruz.

See if there is a level of PRINCIPLE that Cruz strives for, that Kasich does not.

Consider for yourself, which candidate you would rather have protecting you, or your children, or your grandchildren.

Are these issues worth a firm stance? Or should we embrace yet “another compromise”?
 
I agree with you to a point: the delegates do vote for the nominee, following the rules. But there’s also the question of how strong a position the resulting nominee will then be in. If (and I’m not necessarily saying that it will happen) the eventual nominee is someone who wasn’t in first place going in to the convention, he (or she) will face a lot of ill-will – even more so if he/she wasn’t even in second place.

It’s like in Nov 2000: Bush really did win, according to the rules; but he faced a lot of ill will because of how close FL was and because he didn’t also win the popular vote.
Are you taking into account that many Democrats crossed over to vote in the GOP primary? Wonder how many of those will vote for Trump in the general? And as for Florida, are you aware that Jessie Jackson appeared on the scene to stir up trouble on election day? Voters in that state had been using butterfly ballots for many years and all of a sudden they had trouble with them? The whole debacle there was caused by a concerted effort to keep GWB from winning the election.
 
Are you taking into account that many Democrats crossed over to vote in the GOP primary? Wonder how many of those will vote for Trump in the general? And as for Florida, are you aware that Jessie Jackson appeared on the scene to stir up trouble on election day? Voters in that state had been using butterfly ballots for many years and all of a sudden they had trouble with them? The whole debacle there was caused by a concerted effort to keep GWB from winning the election.
Clinton to date has received 1 million more votes than Donald Trump nationally in the primary season. Typically the primaries pull about 30% of either party, the base. This statistic is with high Republican, low (with some exceptions) Democrat turnout.
 
New polls:

CNN poll: Kasich the winner over Clinton (Cruz tied, Trump loses) (pages 26-28):

documentcloud.org/documents/2773296-rel5a-2016.html

NYT poll: Kasich the winner over Clinton (Clinton has narrow lead against Cruz, clear lead against Trump):

cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton-viewed-unfavorably-by-majority-cbsnyt-poll/
Yes, more and more I am realizing that Kasich is far and away the best candidate on either side. It is such a shame that there is this push by his own party to take him down. Says a lot about how we got to this point.
 
Yes, more and more I am realizing that Kasich is far and away the best candidate on either side. It is such a shame that there is this push by his own party to take him down. Says a lot about how we got to this point.
What makes you think that the party is trying to take him down? The “elites” in the party don’t want Trump, they don’t like Cruz. Who else is left?
 
What makes you think that the party is trying to take him down? The “elites” in the party don’t want Trump, they don’t like Cruz. Who else is left?
No, I think the hold-out establishment and endorsements are behind Cruz; some establishment are going to Trump: Gingrich; Guiliani; Christie; Brown, Fox News, etc.

What establishment figure is behind Kasich? I get it; giving the nomination to Kasich is a nonstarter. Wouldn’t work. That is where the party is - their best national candidate on pretty much all levels is a liability.
 
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