Kavanaugh endorsement rescinded

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Rubee said:
I’ve heard stories about text messages, and they immediately changed my mind. Then I read a bit more and it seems like yet another thing media is twisting into something else. Text Messages Between Brett Kavanaugh and His Classmates Seem to Contradict His Senate Testimony
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Yeah, I don’t know what that was but I read it yesterday. A lot of reporting but no evidence to back things up.

Again - if he’s guilty, I don’t want him. But you have to PROVE the guilt.
 
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True. It’s interesting they have the texts but don’t publish them though.
 
Good choice. A Supreme Court justice should be above reproach, not clouded with multiple accusations of rape and sexual abuse. Even if unfounded, he wouldn’t be hired for any other job with these kind of accusations unresolved, nor should he get this job.
 
No they do not of course, but by having conservative judges there is a chance we can push through with a court ruling. That is the whole point. Same sex marriage would not be the law if we had conservative judges
 
Padres1969 said:
Even if unfounded, he wouldn’t be hired for any other job with these kind of accusations unresolved, nor should he get this job.
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However, I think the accusation can be resolved pretty quickly. They just don’t meet the “smell test” to be taken seriously.

Do you really think that the toney suburbs of Montgomery County Maryland ever had teenagers having regular weekly alcohol and drug fueled “rape train parties”? This kind of misbehavior by children wouldn’t be tolerated in hardscrabble areas, much less a bucolic community when the local constabularies know the orderly bathroom habits of all the residents.
 
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Actually I do. Having been a victim of sexual assault myself I find the accusations both believable and the accusers recitation of fact very believable. Things like this get covered up all the time in the name of maintaining reputations and order. Including by Catholic universities, never mind non religious ones. Especially in bucholic communities. They should pick someone else. And if it’s too close to the election the GOP need to take their own advice from almost 3 years ago about picking justices in election years.
 
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The next person picked will have a pedophilia accusation by the end of the same week. I now believe even the woman Amy Berrett will have such an accusation, heck, maybe she’s an abusive closeted lesbian abuser of other women. I mean, we know how those stuffy religious types are really closeted don’t we? Derailing a nomination without evidence is an invitation to special interest groups to create metoo victims for each nomination. It’s unfair to withdraw a nomination from someone based on unproven accusations about something that is supposed to have happened 4 decades ago, especially after the nominee has been publicly shamed. That seems very unjust.
 
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The idea that some other Trump nominee would be acceptable to the Dems is just a fantasy. Any SCOTUS nominee, including Amy Coney Barrett would and will be equally savaged by the Dems on the judiciary committee. Anybody. They will dig up dirt, true or false. Anything to stop a ‘conservative’ nominee to the court. Anybody Trump nominates, no matter how squeaky clean, will be savaged and have their reputation destroyed.
 
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No they do not of course, but by having conservative judges there is a chance we can push through with a court ruling. That is the whole point. Same sex marriage would not be the law if we had conservative judges
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The Supreme Court is not going to overturn same-sex marriage. Even a majority of young Republicans now support it. According to a poll from a few years ago, 61% of Republicans under 30 favor same-sex marriage. And it also wouldn’t be fair at this point to overturn it. It would throw the lives of thousands of people into turmoil to suddenly have their marriages be declared invalid.
 
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The point I was trying to make was that it wasn’t politicians or senators who changes the law.

Rather it was supreme court justice picks by Obama which tilted the vote 3-2 toward the redefinition of marriage.

Trump has picked relatively conservative judged.

Btw a lot of those same sex marriages have also ended in divorce
 
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Padres1969 said:
Good choice. A Supreme Court justice should be above reproach, not clouded with multiple accusations of rape and sexual abuse. Even if unfounded, he wouldn’t be hired for any other job with these kind of accusations unresolved, nor should he get this job.
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Anyone—anyone who is above reproach is not therefore safe from multiple accusations and allegations. False accusations can be made by any of the 320 million people living in the U.S. Any nominee can be effectively vetoed by any citizen because of false accusations, under the apparently new standard of guilty until proven innocent. Any nominee can have mud thrown on them in order to prevent confirmation.
 
JSAD said:
The point I was trying to make was that it wasn’t politicians or senators who changes the law.

Rather it was supreme court justice picks by Obama which tilted the vote 3-2 toward the redefinition of marriage.

Trump has picked relatively conservative judged.

Btw a lot of those same sex marriages have also ended in divorce
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The author of the majority opinion in Obergefell v. Hodges was Anthony Kennedy who was appointed by a Republican. He was joined in the majority by Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan. Obama appointed Sotomayor and Kagan to replace David Souter and John Paul Stevens, both of whom had been on the liberal side of the court. So, Obama’s appointments did not change the balance of the court and I’m sure that if either Souter or Stevens had still been on the court, they would also have supported Kennedy’s majority opinion.

And as to same-sex couples getting divorced, a lot of straight couples also get divorced. The most recent study found a 2% divorce rate among same-sex couples, the same as opposite-sex couples.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_of_same-sex_couples
 
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I think so too, I don’t think she would have gotten rape accusations against her. This whole thing has been so frustrating to watch, the lengths people will go to completely destroy someone else. This is pure evil and hatred. No one deserves to be treated like that.
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I think she’s telling the truth, but just for argument’s sake, let’s say she is even if you don’t think so. Even she admits she was NOT raped; she was just afraid he was going to rape her. I think she could have prevailed with an assault and battery charge, though. She should have filed one, but I can understand why a kid wouldn’t.

If Trump should appoint someone else. Even if Kavanaugh isn’t guilty, and I think he is, his time on the court would be tainted.And, he probably lied. He admitted he drinks beer (no problem there), but he said he never drank to excess in his school days. HIs classmates, for the most part, say he did.
 
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Thorolfr said:
And as to same-sex couples getting divorced, a lot of straight couples also get divorced. The most recent study found a 2% divorce rate among same-sex couples, the same as opposite-sex couples.
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A 2% divorce rate among heterosexual couples?!? Not in THIS century! Try at least half!

They are also good for children; growing up in a happy home protects children from mental, physical, educational and social problems. However, about 40 to 50 percent of married couples in the United States divorce. The divorce rate for subsequent marriages is even higher.

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Divorce and child custody

Divorce may influence well-being, with many individuals experiencing depression, loneliness and isolation, self-esteem difficulties, or other psychological distress. Parental divorce may also have negative effects on the psychosocial adjustment of children and adolescents.
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ConstantLearner said:
If Trump should appoint someone else. Even if Kavanaugh isn’t guilty, and I think he is, his time on the court would be tainted.And, he probably lied. He admitted he drinks beer (no problem there), but he said he never drank to excess in his school days. HIs classmates, for the most part, say he did.
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She doesn’t have any corroboration and can’t give a time or place for the alleged attack. Those are red flags, and considering the fact that Ms. Ford is an active Democratic Party activist, she certainly has motivation to lie- not saying that she did.

I don’t see cause for destroying Kavanaugh’s life, there is definitely a reasonable doubt.

McConnell says that there will be a vote this week on the nomination, but if it is defeated, I think the Democrats will be able to delay the replacement nomination past the election. And if the GOP loses the election, it really doesn’t matter who gets nominated, they aren’t getting confirmed.
 
It appears that the 2% statistic I was quoting was the “annual divorce rate” and I’m not sure what that means exactly. But I don’t know that the divorce rate of same-sex couples is higher than that for opposite-sex couples. There probably aren’t a lot of statistics on that yet.
 
It’s not at all surprisingly, at least to me, that she can’t remember the time and place. We’re not talking about something that happened recently or a few years ago. I can’t remember the time and place that most things happened over 40 years ago when I was 15. I can’t even remember the names of hardly any of the other students I went to school with back then.
 
I remember being physically asaulted by another student (like who wasn’t) but I cannot recall even the year.
 
I would be ok with a rejection if not for the last 2 weeks. I would be ok with the ‘Just a job interview, not a trial’ arguments. But, no. This is now a matter of justice as far as I’m concerned.
 
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